Are you going to continue doing my work for me? As before, I can turn most everything you just said back at you. "You have to ignore everything somebody says so you can hate on a movie they don't."
ImSkeletor said:
See we adults can watch a movie and have someone else think differently than them and be okay with it and understand others have different perspectives and that as long as they provide reasons their opinion is not baseless.
Heh, that's one of the funniest things I've seen in a while. I HAVE provided perfectly valid reasons for my opinion and YOU have been anything but okay with it, and your own reasons for YOUR opinion have yet to be anything but baseless.
ImSkeletor said:
I was beyond hyped to see a more complex version of superman in theaters, but that was not what I saw. I saw the same old boyscout put in a context where it doesn't work.
If you didn't see it, you didn't see it, but it wasn't just there, but right in front of you staring you in the face. I also was beyond hyped to see a more complex Superman, and that's what I got. At least compared to the Donner films, this Superman is par for the course everywhere else these days. I saw a Superman with deep seated emotional issues struggling to find his place in a world that he doesn't really belong in, a world that he can easily bring under his heel at anytime and constantly fighting the urge to avoid doing that. I saw a Superman that for once was forced to fight against someone who could actually beat him, and trying his hardest to avoid killing those people until he finally had no choice but to do just that. Of course, this is what the comics and DCAU Superman was like, so they pulled that off well enough.
"You liking the movie is fine its a subjective thing, your dismissal of others is pathetic"
Heh, says the only person in this conversation that's actually doing that. Even if what you say is true, look in a mirror for a good while before you judge me.
Fine, go, but ignoring me and walking away won't change the fact that I've been the only one this entire time with anything even resembling an open mind here and you haven't.
Oh, and I'm flagging you for insulting me, another thing you've done and I avoided doing, not that there hasn't been a great temptation do so.
"You liking the movie is fine its a subjective thing, your dismissal of others is pathetic"
Heh, says the only person in this conversation that's actually doing that. Even if what you say is true, look in a mirror for a good while before you judge me.
Fine, go, but ignoring me and walking away won't change the fact that I've been the only one this entire time with anything even resembling an open mind here and you haven't.
Oh, and I'm flagging you for insulting me, another thing you've done and I avoided doing, not that there hasn't been a great temptation do so.
Alright I have come back to apologize for the insult. I stand by everything I said but that. That was too much. I posted in anger which was a mistake. Ill take my probation or suspension or whatever. Cause I deserve it. You brick walling me drove me crazy but is not an excuse.
"You liking the movie is fine its a subjective thing, your dismissal of others is pathetic"
Heh, says the only person in this conversation that's actually doing that. Even if what you say is true, look in a mirror for a good while before you judge me.
Fine, go, but ignoring me and walking away won't change the fact that I've been the only one this entire time with anything even resembling an open mind here and you haven't.
Oh, and I'm flagging you for insulting me, another thing you've done and I avoided doing, not that there hasn't been a great temptation do so.
Alright I have come back to apologize for the insult. I stand by everything I said but that. That was too much. I posted in anger which was a mistake. Ill take my probation or suspension or whatever. Cause I deserve it. You brick walling me drove me crazy but its not an excuse.
Personally I don't even understand the problem at all. Don't get me wrong, I think Man of Steel is a deeply flawed movie, but the killing shouldn't be what bother people.
Has anybody (And by this, I mean Bob as well) even seen Superman II?
Because in that movie, Superman kills Zod. Not only that, but he does it in a much more callous and evil way. There is no 'If I don't kill him he'll fry that family alive' - he just does it because he can.
No no, he just depowers the Kryptonians without their knowledge and then this happens:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUORL-bvwA0
So he plays alongs, instead of just telling them they may as well surrender. Then - knowing full well that Zod is now as weak as a normal human - he crushes every bone in his hand and throw him down a bottomless pit.
What more, Lois joins in the fun, throwing a wise crack before in turn killing Feora (sp?) and the scene ends with Lois and Clark laughing, smiling and embracing each other like the psychopath that they are. Yay family fun!
Is it okay because they're on a brightly colored set and it's a soaring Williams' score in the background? Because what Superman does in that movie is cold, calculated, first degree murder. And he doesn't seem to give a fuck about it. More importantly, he didn't have to do it.
And let's not even get started on Lois here...
In the much 'darker' Man of Steel he at least tries to reasons with him and only kill him when given no real choice... and then you can tell he feels it. Granted, it only take him a few minutes to get over it, but that's mile better than not showing an hint of regret like he's freaking Dexter Morgan.
Again, I still think Man of Steel is a bad movie, but this isn't the first time he kill on the big screen... why is it a big deal now? And why are people talking like the Donner Superman could do no wrong? He obviously did.
the man of steel had so many plot holes, lois used as a plot device through the whole movie, missed the entire idea of superman, missed what the character is about so utterly and completely.
Its the same problem with the dark knight rises, nolan and co do not get the characters, they do not care about the characters, a batman that just quits being batman after a year or two? over a girl that hated his guts? emo bruce common. does so many unbatman things, its darn near silly to call it it a batman movie, as it is to call man of steel a superman movie.
mos is a mess, the fights were spectacular as hell, the plot was garbage, the characters were garbage, the sheer wanton destruction is gorgeous porn would have love a goku vs buu done that way with whole cities getting leveled, but superman is supposed to have a bit more of a care for the puny humans around him, not just lois and some no name scrub human family after 100s of thousands have been killed in his little slug fests with zod and his merry men.
and love how jorel manged to put the super suit on a ship that was over 10,000 years old. who writes this stuff?
I haven't seen Man of Steel yet, but I've been thinking about how I would do a Superman trilogy. Now this isn't any better than trying to rewrite the Star Wars prequels, but I got some time to kill at work so bear with me.
Movie One: Start with Kal-El's baby pod landing in the Kent farmstead. Show scenes of Clark Kent's upbringing, but don't dwell on it too much. Eventually, Clark wanders off to find out who he is. He finds the Fortress of Solitude, finds a bunch of prerecorded messages by Jor-El telling Clark he's the sole survivor of Krypton, and that he needs to save his new home from the fate that befell Krypton. But Clark is kinda scared to see what that actually happened. So instead he goes to Metropolis, becomes mild mannered news reporter Clark Kent, and uses his superpowers to save folks from burning buildings and such. This goes on for a montage until Zod shows up and starts rambing that they need to militarize the entire planet. Superman says that that isn't happening, and the two have a big punch up outside the Fortress of Solitude until Superman punts Zod onto Venus (where the Greenhouse effect traps him.) But in the fights aftermath, Supes finally realizes he needs to see how Krypton was destroyed:
It was invaded by Darkseid
Superman realises that he needs to come up with a plan to defeat this far-off foe. But in the meantime, the movie Stinger shows that Clark Kent has been asigned to cover the Presidential Campaign of one Alexis Luthor.
Movie Two: Lex Luthor is now President. Lex wants Superman out of the picture because he's fundamentally opposed to a Magic Space Alien in Tights being the living embodiment of human behavior ("Our flaws are what make us great!" or some such nonsense). So Lex starts a dust up with someone on Superman's B-list of emenies and requests Superman sort it all out-hoping to arrange that he gets killed in the prossess. The whole movie is an allegory for the importance of overcoming ideological differences, as it ends with Superman and Lex forming a sort of detente.
Movie Three: Darkseid at last shows up. Superman's plan for defeating him? The Justice League. Rather than have separate movies for Wonder Woman, Green Lanturn, and Flash, introduce them here to ease audiences into the interpretation of the character you are going for. Nows the time to go for the big fight-to-end-all0fights rather than blow your load in the first movie. If you are feeling especially frisky, toss Doomsday in and watch the fireworks. In any case, Superman wins gby the smallest of margins.
that's the stuff that movies are made of!
i don't need my beloved comic converted into a movie
- i want some more about that character but eventually in another medium...
so the intent is not "bringing stories from a comic to the big screen" but filming a new comic-issue by a new author...
(how many different authors did you say "amazing Spiderman" ,who still counts as ONE SERIES, has? around 10? lets not even start on bats or all the alternate dimensions...)
that's how i see the Dark Knight Triology...
Nolan did his own Batman Comic Series in which
Batman kills Two-Face
but you may want to keep the basic idea of the character... else there wouldn't be much sense even taking said character...
(exept you are too lazy to characterize [bad - because the movie could't stand on its own]or want to play with the expectations linked to the image an established character has in the heads of the viewers [iron man 3 - good - used as a device to tell a story - provoking something in the audience])
so in the end i think it is about taking a character, putting him in a situation and seeing how he deals with it.
...and hereby showing who he is....
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