Supergirl pilot has leaked and it's absolutely terrible
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Surprisingly not, well, not with Mad Max anyway. The mentality they had there was basically "Fuck it lets just make everyone badass" and the end result was fantastic, we instead got awesome characters who happen to be male\female instead of characters who are awesome solely because of their gender, if that makes sense.Kargon said:
I saw the initial trailer on Hulu and I swear I thought it was a clip from an SNL episode I had missed. I kept waiting for the laugh track and the Scarlet Johanson or Melissa Mccarthy cameo. Seriously. I couldn't believe this was supposed to be serious dialogue.
My only concern when I do see the Supergirl pilot on CBS is that despite it probably being 2 hours (with commercials), it will showcase everything that was in the 6-minute first-look trailer... I can understand wanting to tease the pilot in particular, but why not tease the whole season instead? Unless the second (or would it be the third) episode's going to do something that subverts what you thought about the series going in, thus turning it into something that doesn't even resonate that much with the first-look trailer, I still don't see the mindset behind the advertising/marketing choice of just teasing the pilot instead of the pending season...
Considering how bad Arrow was at the start of its run and how it is now I am more then willing to give it a chance.
Hell even Flash's Pilot wasn't very good but holy fuck did the series take off at ground shattering speeds of awesome.
Hell even Flash's Pilot wasn't very good but holy fuck did the series take off at ground shattering speeds of awesome.
Because Superman is a man and according to TERFs men can't be role models for women and girls, or really anybody. Still women can be role models for women and girls, along with maybe men and boys, but nobody cares about the latter two. At least according TERF logic, since TERFs have the loudest platform they get the most say.Aerosteam said:
SJWs don't think people with boy parts can be role models for people with girl parts. It's all part of theirAerosteam said:
It's not just TERFs, TERFs are just outspoken about it. Most feminists have the exact same mentality too.KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
We may not be surprised, but we could have been hopeful that they wouldn't have messed it up. The recent success of Arrow and Daredevil show that good comic TV series can be made. People are somewhat divided on shows like Agents of Shield, Flash, Gotham, Constantine, etc., but overall the genre is doing well. Supergirl bombing could very well kill the female led superhero show. Agent Carter is doing good, picked up for a second season, but with the Wonder Woman movie in trouble, Supergirl getting panned would not be good for an industry that already thinks that superheroines aren't successful.Aelinsaar said:
Which really sucks, because they could be great if they had half decent writers. I just don't think they know what to do with the property.
Going with a Grey's Anatomy vibe makes sense from a money standpoint. Grey's blew up and was wildly successful, but its not the direction to take a superheroine show. You may catch some of the Grey's crowd, but comic fans aren't going to bite.
Well, there's "Aka. Jessica Jones" coming out on netflix soon. So superheroines might not completely die out.kris40k said:
Though I think supergirl probably will be a success.
In my opinion, you're all underestimating how many people will eat this stuff up.
I haven't seen it because I'm a law-abiding citizen!
Also I didn't know it was leaked.
It kind of just looks like they're not very confident in their main character and are overcompensating as a result.
Still, haven't seen it so can't really say much about it. I'll probably still watch it (legally!!!) myself at some point.
Also I didn't know it was leaked.
It kind of just looks like they're not very confident in their main character and are overcompensating as a result.
Still, haven't seen it so can't really say much about it. I'll probably still watch it (legally!!!) myself at some point.
Maybe. There are ways of writing good heroines without resorting to the "But your just a girl!" cliche. Honestly, I see it as a bit insulting to the character, but maybe that is because (and I may be dating myself here) but I always remember Supergirl as the one thatesserin said:
I'm still going to catch the first few episodes of it, because I'm a comic geek, but if they keep going in the direction that it sounds like from the original post, I won't be watching it for long.
That's the Supergirl my sister let me read as a kid. She rocked.kris40k said:Maybe. There are ways of writing good heroines without resorting to the "But your just a girl!" cliche. Honestly, I see it as a bit insulting to the character, but maybe that is because (and I may be dating myself here) but I always remember Supergirl as the one that
I'm still going to catch the first few episodes of it, because I'm a comic geek, but if they keep going in the direction that it sounds like from the original post, I won't be watching it for long.
I haven't watched it, it looks shit and it reminds me exactly why I despise most "female targeted" media but
You guys are really reaching for these "gotchas". Yes a girl can look up to a guy and vice versa but when ALL your heros of particular type are male it makes it feel like being a male is a requirement and you could never be like that, especially when you have people around you reinforcing that belief. Like it or not gender is still an issue and people tend to have role models of their own gender to give cues on they should act. A work is not "sexist" because it acknowledges that rather than going the idealised route where sexism is no longer an issue.
Oh for fu-Aerosteam said:
You guys are really reaching for these "gotchas". Yes a girl can look up to a guy and vice versa but when ALL your heros of particular type are male it makes it feel like being a male is a requirement and you could never be like that, especially when you have people around you reinforcing that belief. Like it or not gender is still an issue and people tend to have role models of their own gender to give cues on they should act. A work is not "sexist" because it acknowledges that rather than going the idealised route where sexism is no longer an issue.
Okay, gonna throw my two cents in here.
The show wasn't terrible, for my part. It wasn't "Wonder Woman Pilot" bad, it was just generic girl power fluff. They did some decent nods to the comics/fandom (Cat Grant, the casting of Kara's adoptive parents), and had several elements that felt very much Silver Age, which I think is a good thing for DC properties; a dash of tongue-in-cheek.
Now, I don't disagree that the quotes in the OP are absolutely cringe-inducing. The script is stilted, and the exposition is ham-fisted. The fact that they never really mention Superman (only calling him 'my cousin', Kal, or things like 'the blue guy'), and yet rely on him to establish the universe, struck me as a little too "Birds of Prey" if you know what I mean*.
It was definitely worse than the Flash pilot; it relies way too much on you being already invested in the idea of a Supergirl show, so it barely develops any of its characters; and when it tries it's generally delivered as clunky "twists" or through the character blankly describing themselves to you (I'm look at you Cat). That said, it isn't worthless or horrible, it's just meh. She does have to go through conflicts (though they are ridiculously forced to try to enforce the "her weakness is her emotions" idea), and they're setting up for a major conflict (which, honestly, Superman should be appearing to help with, but I doubt will; diluting the property and all that).
My biggest low point was the way they handled Jimmy Olsen. In the Silver Age, he was a romantic interest for Supergirl, and they're clearly setting up at least an attraction for her here. However, in the comics, it was interesting because she saw through his awkwardness to find someone who was genuinely a good person, and here it's because he's a hot guy. Add to that they're writing him as a confident, mentor figure, and I don't really see the point of calling him Jimmy; oh, I'm sorry, "James".
But yea. Not terrible, just not really for me. It's really being aimed at Tumblrinas who don't so much read or know the comics, but are aware of her through image-posts. That said, they are clearly doing nods to the fandom, so maybe this "PowerPuff Girls as written by Dawson's Creek" is just a way to get more people to watch, and will fade as the show progresses. I won't know; the pilot killed any curiosity I had in the show's development. I'll likely keep track of it like I do Arrow; through reviews.
But yea. That's my stupidly long ramble. TL;DR: It isn't bad, and has some small potential, but the Pilot is relying on "Grrl Power" more than the source material for ideas.
*- Birds of Prey was another attempt at a Girl Superhero show, but this one starred the Huntress as the daughter of Batman and Catwoman, while working with Oracle (Barbara Gordon) and the daughter of Black Canary. Her mother was killed by Joker, and her father disappeared in a final battle with him in a warehouse. It never once said Batman, only "Bruce" or "my father" or "Mr. Wayne." They tried as hard as they could to keep it from connecting to Batman, while actually having Oracle don her Batgirl gear, and have Harleen Quinzel be the chief admin at Arkham. It was a decent show, with a slow start, that suffered from WB/DC trying as hard as possible not to "dilute the brand" of Batman by allowing the show about his daughter to be directly linked with it.
The show wasn't terrible, for my part. It wasn't "Wonder Woman Pilot" bad, it was just generic girl power fluff. They did some decent nods to the comics/fandom (Cat Grant, the casting of Kara's adoptive parents), and had several elements that felt very much Silver Age, which I think is a good thing for DC properties; a dash of tongue-in-cheek.
Now, I don't disagree that the quotes in the OP are absolutely cringe-inducing. The script is stilted, and the exposition is ham-fisted. The fact that they never really mention Superman (only calling him 'my cousin', Kal, or things like 'the blue guy'), and yet rely on him to establish the universe, struck me as a little too "Birds of Prey" if you know what I mean*.
It was definitely worse than the Flash pilot; it relies way too much on you being already invested in the idea of a Supergirl show, so it barely develops any of its characters; and when it tries it's generally delivered as clunky "twists" or through the character blankly describing themselves to you (I'm look at you Cat). That said, it isn't worthless or horrible, it's just meh. She does have to go through conflicts (though they are ridiculously forced to try to enforce the "her weakness is her emotions" idea), and they're setting up for a major conflict (which, honestly, Superman should be appearing to help with, but I doubt will; diluting the property and all that).
My biggest low point was the way they handled Jimmy Olsen. In the Silver Age, he was a romantic interest for Supergirl, and they're clearly setting up at least an attraction for her here. However, in the comics, it was interesting because she saw through his awkwardness to find someone who was genuinely a good person, and here it's because he's a hot guy. Add to that they're writing him as a confident, mentor figure, and I don't really see the point of calling him Jimmy; oh, I'm sorry, "James".
But yea. Not terrible, just not really for me. It's really being aimed at Tumblrinas who don't so much read or know the comics, but are aware of her through image-posts. That said, they are clearly doing nods to the fandom, so maybe this "PowerPuff Girls as written by Dawson's Creek" is just a way to get more people to watch, and will fade as the show progresses. I won't know; the pilot killed any curiosity I had in the show's development. I'll likely keep track of it like I do Arrow; through reviews.
But yea. That's my stupidly long ramble. TL;DR: It isn't bad, and has some small potential, but the Pilot is relying on "Grrl Power" more than the source material for ideas.
*- Birds of Prey was another attempt at a Girl Superhero show, but this one starred the Huntress as the daughter of Batman and Catwoman, while working with Oracle (Barbara Gordon) and the daughter of Black Canary. Her mother was killed by Joker, and her father disappeared in a final battle with him in a warehouse. It never once said Batman, only "Bruce" or "my father" or "Mr. Wayne." They tried as hard as they could to keep it from connecting to Batman, while actually having Oracle don her Batgirl gear, and have Harleen Quinzel be the chief admin at Arkham. It was a decent show, with a slow start, that suffered from WB/DC trying as hard as possible not to "dilute the brand" of Batman by allowing the show about his daughter to be directly linked with it.