To be fair, The Injustice games were okay. I don't watch much animation because I never liked teh characters to begin with.No, DC's best stuff is their animated series/movies. Those tend to be really really good.
To be fair, The Injustice games were okay. I don't watch much animation because I never liked teh characters to begin with.No, DC's best stuff is their animated series/movies. Those tend to be really really good.
You should, the Batman and Superman animated series are top tier, Justice League is close by also, plus their animated movies like Suicide Squad or Batman meets Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are great.To be fair, The Injustice games were okay. I don't watch much animation because I never liked teh characters to begin with.
By SQWs.Both of which were considered "pandering woke trash" when they were first introduced.
Status Quo Warrior.That's a new one for me, what does that mean?
I rarely use them at all, because they're nor wroth wasting on my tongue over. The idiots that go out of their way to be racist and sexists jackasses, yet pretending "it's not about race", I call assholes. SJW became nothing more than a hollow insult for those who actually be human and not a total butt fuck. These terms are only done to divide those and draw constant lines in the sand.TBH, I'm not overly fond of either of these terms, but they get the job done.
Not to mention that even those that do use sjw as an insult, don't have much of an idea what it means beyond "I don't like this thing that this person believes in."I rarely use them at all, because they're nor wroth wasting on my tongue at all. The idiots that go out of their way to be racist and sexists jackasses, yet pretending "it's not about race", I call assholes. SJW became nothing more than a hollow insult for those who actually be human and not a total butt fuck. These terms are only done to divide those and craw constant lines in the sand.
I disagree emphatically with this.This is true. I can't fathom how many times I've said to comic book friends that DC characters are terrible pretty much all around. Either overpowered and dumb, or bland and pointless. One need to only look at The Suicide Squad which actively has two different characters that are basically the same as each other, and even they are the exact same thing as Deadshot from the first fucking movie.
DC's best stuff is a couple of Batman Villains and that's it.
I'm not saying it's offensive; I'm saying cursory inclusion shouldn't be enough to sate underrepresented groups. Wouldn't you rather be asked out because someone actually is interested in you versus getting asked out because their first choice said "no," so their settling for what they can get?Um...
Look, I'm not going to get into this too much, but isn't there a case for a colour-blind approach? Because you're right about the Human Torch for instance, but on the other hand, we have Jackson's Nick Fury, or Deadpool 2's Domino (forget the actress).
Usually wary about this, as it carries the assumption that any deviation from the 'norm' is inherently pandering. Again, using the Nick Fury example, the assumption that it's "pandering" is iffy to both the people who Fury could be said to represent, and those who he doesn't - the assumption one's attachment to a character is going to be linked to their appearance ipso facto. To flip back to FanFstic, one can point to many issues in that movie, but Johnny Storm being black isn't one of them. It introduces a few lines of dialogue (explaining that he and Sue are foster siblings), and that's it. The movie doesn't change for better or worse with this.
I didn't say they can't succeed or don't exist; I'm well aware of the examples you've cited. I was simply pointing out that those sorts of efforts, ground-up representation, are more meaningful than changing existing characters to sate minority quotas, often to the ire of purists who want the characters exactly as they typically are.Off the top of my head, Static Shock, Blade, Vixen, Black Panther, Black Lightning, Luke Cage, White Tiger
You can argue that's too few (probably is), but however one feels about the issue of representation, I don't think one can argue that such heroes can't be successful.
Heh...I'm not saying it's offensive; I'm saying cursory inclusion shouldn't be enough to sate underrepresented groups. Wouldn't you rather be asked out because someone actually is interested in you versus getting asked out because their first choice said "no," so their settling for what they can get?
Not sure whether one should worry about purists though. Not as far as skin colour goes.I didn't say they can't succeed or don't exist; I'm well aware of the examples you've cited. I was simply pointing out that those sorts of efforts, ground-up representation, are more meaningful than changing existing characters to sate minority quotas, often to the ire of purists who want the characters exactly as they typically are.
There's a number of issues here though.I saw Youngrippa on Youtube talking about the comic book industry a while back and i think i linked a video in another thread a while ago. But he made a point that I think really stood out to me.
He said, "Comic books should be bigger than they have ever been right now. Especially thanks to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But they aren't. Comic book sales are declining."
And the big reason for that, I think, is that someone who watches Endgame can't go to the comic book store and find those heroes as they are in the movie. You go look for a Thor book and instead you see a female Thor. The latest Iron Man is a black teenage girl. Hulk is an new guy who's glad to be the Hulk.
While these characters are fine, it's not what people are going to the comicbook store to find. They expect the heroes and the character that are shown in other media, and you can't really find that right now because the industry is driving this agenda fueled narrative that is too much in your face. Social issues have been at the forefront of comic for a long time but never have they been so shallowly presented.
Meanwhile you have Manga in which the writers are just writing good stories with crazy plots and wild adventures and any messaging is left in the background to be presented subtly. In a way Manga is a lot like old school kids cartoons, in which the lessons they are trying to present to the audience are done through the narrative. When the protag of Food Wars beats an arrogant cocky chef who tried to cheat, lie and steal their way to victory, ultimately in the end the protag wins and then explains why those backhanded tactics are no good and never can replace good honest hard work which sends an overall positive message to the reader without it being removed from the overall story. I remember old school Teenage Mutant ninja Turtles shows would be very anti-theft, anti-bullying, etc and a lot of cartoons would have messages like that throughout to try and teach not only the bad guys but also the kids watching the overall message.
These days with the CW shows and modern comic books, it feels like they putting the progressive agenda first above everything else. And the result is a garbage character, in a garbage story that nobody wants to read.
Superman is only bland in the hands of bad, apathetic, and careless writers. Not the character himself.Superman is such a bland character, and this doesn't change that. His powers are bland, his weakness is a rock.
So, I'm not a DC or Marvel fan in any real sense, but what I AM a fan of is continuity in general.Honestly, it's the idea that Marvel and DC comics should have a vast, connected, chronologically contiguous meta-world that needs to die.
Thats hurting Marvel and DC superhero comic books way more than a bare minimum of clumsily handled progressive stuff.
Interesting that the ‘then’ portion of the thumbnail contains art styles from at least three different decades, even to my barely trained eyes.Saw this today, thought it was an interesting take from a long time comic book artist.
Continuity is fine...to a point.So, I'm not a DC or Marvel fan in any real sense, but what I AM a fan of is continuity in general.
I think that the DC and Marvel comic universes can be fairly impenetrable, but that hasn't stopped other continuity-heavy series from succeeding. If the comics are in decline, I think it has more to do than just continuity issues. I mean, the MCU itself is still going strong despite being very continuity-heavy, to the point that you can't really stick to a single sub-series within it and get the full picture (e.g. you can't go from Iron Man 2 to 3 without seeing Avengers, and you can't see Avengers without seeing the films leading up to it).