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Suppressors
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This thread is chock-full of absolutely hilarious misconceptions...
Suppressors are mis-represented by Hollywood and the games industry, yes. In reality they're not super-cool sound-killers that make you invisible and unaudible, they just take the edge off the sound and most of the flash off the muzzle.
There's a huge thing you're all overlooking here, though, and that is the MAIN USE of suppressors. They're used indoors. Why? Because firing an unsuppressed weapon indoors will literally deafen you. This counts for small-caliber arms (say, an MP5 shooting 9mm), let alone for something like an M4 using 5.56mm rounds.
A suppressor takes enough of the edge off the noise that you can just about use these guns inside, for room-clearing and the like. Same reason a lot of SWAT teams and such still use smaller-caliber weapons like the MP5 in preference to rifles like the M4 in some occasions, despite its lack of stopping power (and, more importantly these days, lack of body armour penetration).
Suppressors are mis-represented by Hollywood and the games industry, yes. In reality they're not super-cool sound-killers that make you invisible and unaudible, they just take the edge off the sound and most of the flash off the muzzle.
There's a huge thing you're all overlooking here, though, and that is the MAIN USE of suppressors. They're used indoors. Why? Because firing an unsuppressed weapon indoors will literally deafen you. This counts for small-caliber arms (say, an MP5 shooting 9mm), let alone for something like an M4 using 5.56mm rounds.
A suppressor takes enough of the edge off the noise that you can just about use these guns inside, for room-clearing and the like. Same reason a lot of SWAT teams and such still use smaller-caliber weapons like the MP5 in preference to rifles like the M4 in some occasions, despite its lack of stopping power (and, more importantly these days, lack of body armour penetration).
really? I thought the opposite.Furburt said:
Well that's a eye opener thanks
[sup]sorry if I seem sarcastic I really am not[/sup]
Sound isn't laser light though. It diffracts and reflects quite nicely. A lot of what comes out of the muzzle will still hit your ears. Even if it's, say, a sixteenth of the original energy/"loudness", you're only losing 24dB. Down from 160, 136 is a considerable reduction - but it's still painful, and with repeat exposure you're heading for bleeding ears time. There's good reason that people practicing at a firing range wear ear protectors.
I'm no expert, but the gun silencer should have similar effect to a car one. It won't make it silent or even particularly quiet, but it will reduce it to an acceptable level. If you've ever had the muffler fall apart or the middle part of the exhaust fall off your car you'll know what I mean. An unsilenced car engine is LOUD - my little 1000cc 4-pot sounded like a top fuel dragster, with the throttle cracked much above that required to drag itself slowly to a garage. People could hear it all over town. In normal use, you can still hear it coming from a few hundred yards, but at the same trickle-along speed the tyres or a strong wind will compete with it. A normal gunshot will echo and have someone indoors at the other end of the street sitting up and paying attention; a silenced one will be heard by someone outdoors and in the same area, but anything much more than the nearest building will be sufficient cover to deaden it to the level of the other ambient noises inside or out, and without the strident CRACK the echo (and noticability) is much reduced.
(am i close, gun nuts?)
And of course, forget about going up against anyone more than a stone's throw away or wearing more than a dinner suit for protection. The exhaust smoke doesn't come out of the back of the car at the couple hundred mph it started its journey at, after all.
EDIT: Or, see Jadias' post, I guess. Missed that.
I'm no expert, but the gun silencer should have similar effect to a car one. It won't make it silent or even particularly quiet, but it will reduce it to an acceptable level. If you've ever had the muffler fall apart or the middle part of the exhaust fall off your car you'll know what I mean. An unsilenced car engine is LOUD - my little 1000cc 4-pot sounded like a top fuel dragster, with the throttle cracked much above that required to drag itself slowly to a garage. People could hear it all over town. In normal use, you can still hear it coming from a few hundred yards, but at the same trickle-along speed the tyres or a strong wind will compete with it. A normal gunshot will echo and have someone indoors at the other end of the street sitting up and paying attention; a silenced one will be heard by someone outdoors and in the same area, but anything much more than the nearest building will be sufficient cover to deaden it to the level of the other ambient noises inside or out, and without the strident CRACK the echo (and noticability) is much reduced.
(am i close, gun nuts?)
And of course, forget about going up against anyone more than a stone's throw away or wearing more than a dinner suit for protection. The exhaust smoke doesn't come out of the back of the car at the couple hundred mph it started its journey at, after all.
EDIT: Or, see Jadias' post, I guess. Missed that.
I like how people keep bringing up Stalker as a game that gets this right, when it's not so much the game as the guns - the developers of Stalker were using this real-life Russian firearm [http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn20-e.htm] as the basis for their silenced sniper rifle, and this one [http://world.guns.ru/assault/as10-e.htm] for the silenced assault rifle, so it's hardly surprising they refer to the ammo for them as sub-sonic (because that's what those guns use).
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Why use a silenced pistol though when you can use a [http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg156-e.htm] silent [http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg157-e.htm] one [http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg24-e.htm]?
So I may be able to lend some as I have worked in the firearms industry and own several weapons of my own.
To get the "Bolt is louder than the bullet" effect you do need to use special ammo called "Sub-Sonic" ammo. This, as the name implies, throws the bullet as speed that is less than the speed of sound. As with anything that breaks the sound barrier, supersonic ammo makes a sonic boom and therefore is louder with or without the suppressor.
I'm honestly surprised to hear that you didn't know that the fake video game isn't exactly like real life.
To get the "Bolt is louder than the bullet" effect you do need to use special ammo called "Sub-Sonic" ammo. This, as the name implies, throws the bullet as speed that is less than the speed of sound. As with anything that breaks the sound barrier, supersonic ammo makes a sonic boom and therefore is louder with or without the suppressor.
I'm honestly surprised to hear that you didn't know that the fake video game isn't exactly like real life.
The thing with suppressors is that they are actually quite effective. They are, perhaps, not as effective as shown in movies and games, but here's how they work:
When you think of a gunshot, what kind of sound do you imagine? Probably something loud and obnoxious, especially if you've heard them many times. Now, the sound of a suppressed weapon is drastically different from that of a non-suppressed one. If you hear it, you'll not be as alarmed. You can shrug it off as another sound, or you'll be left wondering what it is. Even if you go to check out the noise, you're still not freaking out and alerting everyone else in the area to the noise, as you don't want to look like an idiot. "Oh, it was just ____, you moron."
This is especially true if there is much noise pollution in the area. Nobody who heard it would automatically assume it was a gunshot.
Furthermore, even with suppressors that don't change how the gun sounds, they will greatly reduce the distance that the sound can be heard from. So if you're standing a few feet away, you probably can hear it just fine, but it will become quieter at a much faster rate as you move farther away.
So it's not like a suppressor doesn't perform the function that they do in movies and games, they are just not quite as effective as real-life suppressors. It's nothing to get in a dither about.
When you think of a gunshot, what kind of sound do you imagine? Probably something loud and obnoxious, especially if you've heard them many times. Now, the sound of a suppressed weapon is drastically different from that of a non-suppressed one. If you hear it, you'll not be as alarmed. You can shrug it off as another sound, or you'll be left wondering what it is. Even if you go to check out the noise, you're still not freaking out and alerting everyone else in the area to the noise, as you don't want to look like an idiot. "Oh, it was just ____, you moron."
This is especially true if there is much noise pollution in the area. Nobody who heard it would automatically assume it was a gunshot.
Furthermore, even with suppressors that don't change how the gun sounds, they will greatly reduce the distance that the sound can be heard from. So if you're standing a few feet away, you probably can hear it just fine, but it will become quieter at a much faster rate as you move farther away.
So it's not like a suppressor doesn't perform the function that they do in movies and games, they are just not quite as effective as real-life suppressors. It's nothing to get in a dither about.
Yea I was thinking the same thing.IdealistCommi said:
And I guess the caliber of the ammo would matter.
.22 would probably closest to true silence though you would need a high end one.
Also silencers wear out after a set number of rounds and useless afterwards.
I don't really care about the whole gaming aspect i mean bullets are bullets and in most games you can hear the silenced bullets anyway.
though the wear-put system is cool in MGS4
a gun with just very few bullets and almost no sound must be the:
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makes me think of Fallout gunz lol
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makes me think of Fallout gunz lol
Really depends on the gun, the ammo and the size of the suppressor. A friend's .22 hornet with sub sonics and no suppressor could be barely be heard. A lot of low caliber handguns with sub sonics probably wouldn't need a suppressor.
Speaking of silencers, anyone playing Counter Stike find the m4 to fire much nicer with the silencer on? I don't know why, but it has this sorta feel to it.
I have always loved the effect of silencers in Hollywood. As soon as you see the Pro/Antagonist pull out the silenced pistol, you knew some serious shit was going to go down.
To bad its not like that in real life.
Made up world: 9001, IRL: 0
I have always loved the effect of silencers in Hollywood. As soon as you see the Pro/Antagonist pull out the silenced pistol, you knew some serious shit was going to go down.
To bad its not like that in real life.
Made up world: 9001, IRL: 0
Suppressors... I don't think I personally will ever have need or desire for one.
Whether I'm at the range or killing someone, I don't really care about the noise. Unless the CIA contracts me at least. First off, they don't completely silence the weapon--in fact, a silenced weapon has a very distinct sound. Second, decreased velocity. Third, decreased accuracy, from what I hear.
So fuck 'em.
Whether I'm at the range or killing someone, I don't really care about the noise. Unless the CIA contracts me at least. First off, they don't completely silence the weapon--in fact, a silenced weapon has a very distinct sound. Second, decreased velocity. Third, decreased accuracy, from what I hear.
So fuck 'em.
The flip-side of this of course being that, as a rule, guns in video games and movies are louder than their real life counterparts.
Our view of how guns behave is so heavily influenced by Hollywood that any attempt to depict realistic guns turns into a case of 'Reality is Unrealistic'.
Our view of how guns behave is so heavily influenced by Hollywood that any attempt to depict realistic guns turns into a case of 'Reality is Unrealistic'.
Suppressors can be just like in the video games, better in fact. You just have to be doing it right.