Swedish Courts: Imaginary Children Aren't Real

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Swedish Courts: Imaginary Children Aren't Real


The Swedish Supreme Court has acquitted manga translator, Simon Lundström.

Lundström was convicted of possessing child pornography [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117295-Manga-Translator-Appeals-Child-Pornography-Charges] back in 2010, when authorities found suggestive pictures of bobble-headed, cartoon minors on his personal computer. He disputed the ruling, arguing that you need children for child pornography and that drawings aren't children, but his conviction was upheld by two lower courts, one of which reduced his punishment to a $780 fine and an order that he could no longer offer his services as a "manga expert."

In both trials, the prosecution argued that the images Lundström possessed could be used to entice children into performing sexual acts, and that real children could have been used as models for the drawings. I'm going to assume that last argument sounded marginally less insane in the original Swedish.

Though the Supreme court insisted that the 39 images Lundström was being charged for did constitute pornographic representations of children, it was forced to admit that there is a distinction between fictional children and their aggravating, real-life counterparts. It also claimed one of the images was realistic enough to constitute full blown child pornography, but admitted that prosecuting Lundström on those grounds would violate his freedom of expression.

"The criminalization of possession of the drawings would otherwise exceed what is necessary with regard to the purpose which has led to the restriction on freedom of expression and freedom of information," read a statement from the court.

Lundström later released a statement to the press:

"I'm obviously very relieved, in part because it makes life easier for me personally, but most of all I'm generally relieved for Sweden as a whole," he said. It would have been very hard for me to relate to Sweden as a country if it turned out to be a place that prohibited certain expressions of the imagination."

Source: SMP [www.smp.se/nyheter/sverige/frias-i-mangamalet(3315402).gm] thanks to awesomeClaw [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view/awesomeClaw]



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RaNDM G

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So Sweden's criminal justice system proves it isn't as backwards as we thought.

It's good Lundstrom won. He was only charged for doing his job and the prosecution had a terrible argument against him.
 

Eri

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Imaginary kids are not real?


You should probably tell the United States that next.
 

Leemaster777

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Well thank God sanity prevailed. In a world where common sense doesn't seem so common anymore, I was honestly not sure how this case would go.

Glad to see an innocent man go free.
 

Ldude893

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As someone who once (shamefully) supported labeling pornographic pictures of children as Child Porn, I am extremely glad Lundstrom made it out okay. You can't ban one form of free speech without banning all other forms of free speech, unless it's directly harmful to people.
 

Worgen

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
I still don't like that kinda porn but ultimately no one gets hurt but it so it shouldn't be considered pedophilia porn or whatever, I've been drinking , shut up.
(yay spell check)
 

Klumpfot

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The legal system of my country could now be considered marginally less insane.

Great succes!
 

Tamrin

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Grey Carter said:
In both trials, the prosecution argued that the images Lundström possessed could be used to entice children into performing sexual acts, and that real children could have been used as models for the drawings. I'm going to assume that last argument sounded marginally less insane in the original Swedish.
I totally get it. The crimes this person could commit with such images in real life are limited only by your imagination. It's solid logic because we have always prosecuted people based on the fact that at any time or place a person can commit a horrible crime therefor they should be thrown in prison before they have the chance to do so, like the movie Minority Report.

 

weirdee

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whatever you think, if he ain't harming anybody it ain't a crime, lol
 
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Eri said:
Imaginary kids are not real?


You should probably tell the United States that next.
damn you! read my mind, first thought i had when reading that title!

OT: while some manga definitely is definitely "childish", there is a ton of it where they are indeed adults, it's just the style/curvatures that make them seem not mature when compared to real life.

not to mention, i'm pretty sure he wasn't harming anybody...so always go by "no harm, no foul" in my book.
 

ZeZZZZevy

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I reiterate what I said before: I may not agree with what he does, but it does not mean he should be punished for something that isn't harming anyone.

Nice to see that the justice system came through.
 

vxicepickxv

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Leemaster777 said:
Well thank God sanity prevailed. In a world where common sense doesn't seem so common anymore, I was honestly not sure how this case would go.

Glad to see an innocent man go free.
Doesn't seem so common? I believe that Deadpool and I will agree to that...
 

Charli

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Don't like that kind of stuff, still glad the guy got off.

(See you can dislike something without being a self righteous ass, world. Stop thrusting your dick of opinion onto everyone else without properly considering the ramifications and restrictions your ill constructed beliefs will sow.)
 

kajinking

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First page and the comments section isn't swarming with loli pics yet, I must admit I'm surprised.
 

KeyMaster45

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Hmm, several posts of people affirming that they agree with the ruling. Pffft, that's boring. I offer up a bounty of 57 internets to whomever can build a reasonably sane argument against the ruling.
 

Charli

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KeyMaster45 said:
Hmm, several posts of people affirming that they agree with the ruling. Pffft, that's boring. I offer up a bounty of 57 internets to whomever can build a reasonably sane argument against the ruling.
This positive ruling got me no breakfast in bed on a Saturday and now I will have to get up.

Thusly I declare that this shameful act of harboring drawn wide-eyed small people like creatures doing oddly explicit and strange things is Illegal.

So sayeth me. *taps mug on desk*