Swedish Courts: Imaginary Children Aren't Real

[ElPatron]

I don't feel homosexuality is applicable because it's not wrong

I was hoping you would see where I was getting at.

Homosexuality used to be considered "wrong" and even illegal in many countries. Just like pedophilia, it's something you can't control.

Yes but the point I was making is this is something that's never going to change. It's never going to be okay to have sex with children and it's always going to be in societies best interests to prevent this from happening, which is completely different from homosexuality.

If I live until the year 3012 and pedophilia is legal in the western world by then can I show your tombstone my tongue and go "nhaa-nhaa-nhaaaaa"?

Although by then I don't know if I would be able to do anything besides that...

 

[Reptiloid]

I quite enjoy pancakes... savor the flavor!

 

[Belated]

Congratulations Sweden. You have won me over. If the US falls apart, I know where I'm moving.

 

[Enthuril]

Also, just to point out specifics, using the term Paedophiles to refer to sex offenders is horrifyingly incorrect. Paedophiles are people who have a sexual attraction to children, which is not a sex offence in itself. Paraphilias as they are known aren't chosen actions and are related to sexual attraction whereas sex offences are the actual abusing of a child or looking at child pornography, which I think we'll all agree is a choice. Strangely enough because of my time on the internet I've known several paedophiles and the regular consensus is that they're against having sexual intercourse or anything similar with children because it harms the child, and the majority that I've spoken to in fact dislike the fact that they're paedophiles.

FINALLY, someone sensible who doesn't just go with uninformed masses, screaming their heads off about how sick and wrong it is, making ridiculous claims with no grounding in reality that all pedophiles are somehow rapists and murderers...

+1 faith in humanity, thank you Sir!

I'm kind of getting sick of all the people who think that, and only on the internet can you actually stand up and say something about it without being accused of being one of them. Though, I'm not sure that sir was the right word for me.

 

[BrotherRool]

If I live until the year 3012 and pedophilia is legal in the western world by then can I show your tombstone my tongue and go "nhaa-nhaa-nhaaaaa"?

Although by then I don't know if I would be able to do anything besides that...

Yes you can
There have been periods of history where it was acceptable, ancient Greece most notably, but I don't think it can ever be good for society because it's never going to be possible to sure that the children are giving informed meaningful consent, and it's not right to have sex without the consent of the other person

 

[cefm]

The U.S. Supreme Court (back when it behaved somewhat rationally.....in 2001) ruled on the same issue the same way. Not sure why people here think the law is different in the U.S.

 

[melefnom]

There was a time when men would marry girls who had just reached puberty. Those men would be called pedophiles today.

Isn't that technically ephebophilia(sp?)? I thought the hallmark of pedophilia was pre-pubescence...

It is, however the general public rarely makes a distinction. Which is sad within itself, because one is something that could actually be considered quite natural and part of our instincts and the other isn't.

I REALLY hope you are refering to PEDOPHILIA. But anyway, what makes you think that one "could actually be considered quite natural and part of our instincts and the other isn't."? I love how people try to define "natural" and part of OUR (whose?) instincts in base of what THEY like. I think they are natural, normal and part of our instincts.

Both pedophilia and ephebophilia are natural and part of OUR instincts. Our=we human race.

Do people like you actually believe that what YOU like is the rule to measure all? When you say "part of OUR instincs", who are you refering to? Who is the "US"? "Normal" people? Straight people? What is normal? What is straight?


Really, cant you see anything wrong in your words? Dont you see that you are implying that there exist something that is "normal" and "natural"?

I hate this defenders of the status quo, normality and "natural instincts". Your kind of people divide the world between "normals" (ephebophiles, heterosexuals) and "abnormals" (pedophiles, queers).

 

[melefnom]

It's more like... People need to realise that paedophiles aren't what they are out of choice, but are instead born and develop that way. People who actually go out of their way to have sex and such with children are deserving of such harsh punishments, but I feel it depends on the severity of it. For example, if someone were to have sex with someone who has already gone through puberty then it is a more natural sexual attraction and unless the person was not consenting they are less in the wrong than someone who has had sex with a prepubescent child.

"if someone were to have sex with someone who has already gone through puberty then it is a more natural sexual attraction "

I remark this words: "it is a more NATURAL sexual attraction". Great way of judging you have there. Lets punish the "unnatural", and celebrate the "natural", doesnt matter if they are just artificial constructs made by some people.

God your words make me cringe.

You speak like a catholic conservative. You use the same words they use. You use the same ideas they use. You talk of "natural", of "normal" of "natural sexual attractions". Of normality versus abnormality. What is a "natural sexual attraction"? What is a "normal" sexual orientation? Some people would say that homosexuality is abnormal, other ephebophilia, other pedophilia, other heterosexuality and so on... Who defines what is a "natural sexual attraction"? You?

 

[Enthuril]

I REALLY hope you are refering to PEDOPHILIA. But anyway, what makes you think that one "could actually be considered quite natural and part of our instincts and the other isn't."? I love how people try to define "natural" and part of OUR (whose?) instincts in base of what THEY like. I think they are natural, normal and part of our instincts.

Both pedophilia and ephebophilia are natural and part of OUR instincts. Our=we human race.

Do people like you actually believe that what YOU like is the rule to measure all? When you say "part of OUR instincs", who are you refering to? Who is the "US"? "Normal" people? Straight people? What is normal? What is straight?


Really, cant you see anything wrong in your words? Dont you see that you are implying that there exist something that is "normal" and "natural"?

I hate this defenders of the status quo, normality and "natural instincts". Your kind of people divide the world between "normals" (ephebophiles, heterosexuals) and "abnormals" (pedophiles, queers).

"if someone were to have sex with someone who has already gone through puberty then it is a more natural sexual attraction "

I remark this words: "it is a more NATURAL sexual attraction". Great way of judging you have there. Lets punish the "unnatural", and celebrate the "natural", doesnt matter if they are just artificial constructs made by some people.

God your words make me cringe.

You speak like a catholic conservative. You use the same words they use. You use the same ideas they use. You talk of "natural", of "normal" of "natural sexual attractions". Of normality versus abnormality. What is a "natural sexual attraction"? What is a "normal" sexual orientation? Some people would say that homosexuality is abnormal, other ephebophilia, other pedophilia, other heterosexuality and so on... Who defines what is a "natural sexual attraction"? You?

You miss the point that I was making. I never said something unnatural is wrong in itself, that's quite foolish to say as most of the things we do right now are unnatural. You're saying this using a computer, that's unnatural and should totally be banned. See what I mean? A ridiculous thing to say in itself. However, when talking about sexual acts that actually harm someone a line should be drawn between what's natural and what isn't - a measure of what a 'normal' person would do. Now, I'm totally in favour of bringing the legal age down to an age where the majority can be said to be sexually mature enough, which to my knowledge is around 13 or 14, but anything below that is wrong on the basis that it actually harms a child. Also, a normal sexual attraction would be something that can be observed to happen commonly within nature in this case. For example, homosexuality is somewhat abnormal in itself. However, this doesn't make it wrong, I think I'm one of the least qualified people to judge that. And anyone who would happily defend the actual sexual abusing of a child is definitely not normal, or I'd wager not entirely sane as we have enough proof of how much it can harm the child.