Swedish Study Says Videogames Do Not Cause Aggression

[gigastrike]

I stopped caring about these studies a long time ago.

 

[BrotherRool]

No it's not saying that. It's saying one of two things are true. Either a) Videogames make children more violent, or b) Violent children are more likely to play videogames

That actually was the point I was actually trying to get across. Except I decided to use a little more swearing and a little less coherent.

I'm so sorry, I missed two very important words in your sentence that changed the meaning completely 'they are'

I apologise for trying to lecture you, most of the people in this thread (and the article ) seemed to have missed the difference between the two things

 

[AugustFall]

People in the media need to learn that correlation =/= causation. Bidirectionality and 3rd variables make it impossible to tell what causes what.

Firstly, I agree with you and have absolutely no quarrel with this article, but you raised an interesting question in me that I thought might be worth sharing. Is it the medias responsibility to learn that, or is the onus with the individual reading any given piece to apply such filters?

That is a good point. I would say since the titles of the headlines take scientific research that shows a correlation and package it as scientific fact that "this causes or does not cause this" it is the media's responsibility.
Incorrectly stating facts that cannot be derived from the research you are citing is terrible journalism. If you do not understand what you are writing about then do not write about it.
There is some onus on the reader I suppose to understand that if they want information they should look for scientific journals. However these are not welcoming if you are not versed in the vocabulary used as with many scholarly journals and publications.
People are taught to look to the media to filter out the uninteresting stuff and explain things. That is their job in my opinion.

 

[The Floating Nose]

That sums up what i have to say about that .

 

[TheCruxis]

Finally, a study from an actual socialist country that don't have corrupt suit-monkeys paying it off to make "item X" look bad.

Sadly we aren't socialists anymore. We have a right-wing goverment since 2006 and they have done a good jobb of screwing our country up in a short amount of time.

Sorry, offtopic I know. But I couldn't care less about this. I have never belived that games make people violent and I will never belive it, but it's always fun when our small nation in the periphery gets mentioned.

 

[Yopaz]

I love these articles.

Video games cause violence? "DOWN WITH THE ARTICLE, IT'S BIASED".

Video games don't? "UNBIASED ARTICLE PEOPLE! HELL YEAH".

But yeah, at this point nobody's mind is going to be changed. There's been so many studies well, yeah, at this point you'd expect everyone to have their minds made up.

That is because this is one of the few articles that actually states that there's no proof between violence and playing video games. That better parenting is probably the key to prevent violent behaviour. Because other articles contains scientists that say something along the lines "We see brainwaves from x spiking as they x in the game indicating that they react in x way to violence in a virtual world" leads to headlines "Videogames will cause you to murder someone!".
This article doesn't dismiss the claim completely. It is simply saying we don't have any clear connection that says games -> aggression.
In simple terms this is a better article because it doesn't say anything conclusive because there's no conclusive answer to this. Games is one factor of our lives, but our lives are more than games.

 

[awesomeClaw]

Finally, a study from an actual socialist country that don't have corrupt suit-monkeys paying it off to make "item X" look bad.

Sadly we aren't socialists anymore. We have a right-wing goverment since 2006 and they have done a good jobb of screwing our country up in a short amount of time.

Sorry, offtopic I know. But I couldn't care less about this. I have never belived that games make people violent and I will never belive it, but it's always fun when our small nation in the periphery gets mentioned.

I agree, a right wing goverment in Sweden is a bad idea.

But honestly, I can´t blame people for voting on the Moderates. I mean, the Social democrats are falling apart, especially since they hired a goddamn tax cheater for their leader. The left need to make a full revamp, because right now there´s a good chance the moderates will win pretty much all elections withing the next two decades. And none of us want that.

OT: This is why I love my country, despite it´s faults. Ever the realist, aren´t you, Sweden?

 

[Dango]

I'm still gonna go with the studies that say they do cause aggression, just in such small amounts that they have absolutely no real effect unless you're naturally an aggressive person.

Because that way both sides can stop caring.

 

[Something Amyss]

This makes the most sense, if any of the other "studies" that said violent video games cause violence were true, the world would be in anarchy by now

Not to mention, what they tend to say is the same thing. Aggressive kids play video games.

They don't actually come up with evidence to support they cause aggression.

But that's hardly a headline worthy statement.

 

[Excludos]

I usually hate the "videogames don't cause violence" as much as the opposite articles, as they're usually biased as hell and only exists to have their different fanbases go "mhm, yes, yes!".

But this one was actually very well written.

 

[JesterRaiin]

In other words, "There is no evidence that violent computer games cause aggressive behavior," the council said.

It took one blink of an eye to onvent this whole fairy tale with games and aggression.
Years later and tenths of serious studies proving otherwise there are still some that don't ant probably won't ever believe it.

We're very strange species...

You haven't understood the meaning properly!!!!

They have said there is clear evidence that people who play videogames are more violent. What they are saying is there's no evidence that it's just that violent people are the sort of people who play videogames and non-violent people have other hobbies.

Thanks for explanation, but naaaaaaaaaaaah, i'm sure i understood it like i was meant to.

"Not causal" means one does not cause another. So, perhaps violent people tend to play more aggressive games. Perhaps thanks to this activity they are 25% less violent. Perhaps the opposite. However there's no evidence that playing aggressive games change people into bloodthirsty monsters and that's the bottom line i guess.

 

[mad825]

...So in short.

We cannot find anything and now have given-up. We declare it has no effect however make sure you continue to monitor the content in which the child is exposed to.

Great work Sweden. No need to prove a counterargument huh?

 

[Baresark]

Well, I'm glad it's not only the internet community that now points out the failure of these studies. In order to know, you would have to find kids and test them to make sure they were definitively not violent at all, then have them play violent videogames (something they would probably not want to do anyway) and then retest.

It's really idiotic what they get away with calling a scientific study these days. Is there no respect left for the scientific process?

 

[Baresark]

Finally, a study from an actual socialist country that don't have corrupt suit-monkeys paying it off to make "item X" look bad.

Sadly we aren't socialists anymore. We have a right-wing goverment since 2006 and they have done a good jobb of screwing our country up in a short amount of time.

Sorry, offtopic I know. But I couldn't care less about this. I have never belived that games make people violent and I will never belive it, but it's always fun when our small nation in the periphery gets mentioned.

To be honest, Sweden has been moving away from Socialism since long before 2006, I don't really understand where that number came from to be honest with you. At the height of it's socialist policies the country almost imploded, and that was 1991-ish. There was a massive financial crisis that people from your country seem to forget, and it was the movement away from it that actually ensured you have a country today. It was around that time policies got their first rush of deregulation which has actually made Sweden what it is today, which is considered to be the epitome of social democracy.

 

[Section Crow]

I've always found gaming supposedly causing anger issues weird because my anger problems ended when I was first introduced to a Ps1

anyways, nice to see a news story that's not against gamers from time to time

 

[Loud Hawk]

I can't take you people seriously. If a study says gaming is harmful, you start a fricking "Spanish Inquisition" on science, but as soon as something backs up gaming, then it is "All Hail Science!"...

 

[MrTub]

Finally, a study from an actual socialist country that don't have corrupt suit-monkeys paying it off to make "item X" look bad.

Sadly we aren't socialists anymore. We have a right-wing goverment since 2006 and they have done a good jobb of screwing our country up in a short amount of time.

Sorry, offtopic I know. But I couldn't care less about this. I have never belived that games make people violent and I will never belive it, but it's always fun when our small nation in the periphery gets mentioned.

To be honest, Sweden has been moving away from Socialism since long before 2006, I don't really understand where that number came from to be honest with you. At the height of it's socialist policies the country almost imploded, and that was 1991-ish. There was a massive financial crisis that people from your country seem to forget, and it was the movement away from it that actually ensured you have a country today. It was around that time policies got their first rush of deregulation which has actually made Sweden what it is today, which is considered to be the epitome of social democracy.

Well imo our current right wing have been selling a lot of stuff and after that its quality have been lowered quite a lot.

For an example is our trains, you are lucky if there is not something wrong with them each day.

 

[Mawdern]

There are so many of these I've lost count. But yeah I believe they don't cause aggression. I'm not stealing cars and ramming hookers here.

 

[Snotnarok]

I still don't get where any of these 'video games causes aggression' nonsense comes from, I've never seen someone go into a game happy and come out punching their friend in the face because he couldn't make it to level 3. I just see stressed out, play game, feel better, celebrate.

It's just like those claims against Modern Warfare that 'train your kids how to use guns' I played a few call of duties and I'm positive I cannot reload a gun on visuals alone.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Does it ever occur to these researchers that the corralation is the other way around? That maybe naturally aggressive people enjoy playing games where you get to be aggressive? Gee that sounds unlikely.