Switzerland Considers Tougher Rules for Game Sales

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mattttherman3

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I'm fine with not selling violent video games, to minors, enforce that all you want, just don't ban them, there are other ways of dealing with this, my suggestion: 5 years in jail for a parent who KNOWINGLY lets their children play rated M games or adult games. If you think thats too far, then you are wrong, because that is a big preventative measure.
 

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mattttherman3 said:
I'm fine with not selling violent video games, to minors, enforce that all you want, just don't ban them, there are other ways of dealing with this, my suggestion: 5 years in jail for a parent who KNOWINGLY lets their children play rated M games or adult games. If you think thats too far, then you are wrong, because that is a big preventative measure.
How would a government enforce something like that without being in the home invading people's privacy?
 

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geldonyetich said:
I'm surprised to hear it. From what I heard about Switzerland, you'll find hardcore porno on the newsstands and pot being smoked openly. Doesn't sound like a place that would restrict the sales of video games.
Are you sure you're not thinking of Amsterdam? Switzerland's government is filled with conservative xenophobic shutins as far as I know.

Both these laws suck. I understand restricting game sales to minors, but banning unrated imports and possibly banning 18+ games altogether is something fascists do. The more you censor the media, the closer the country crawls to dictatorship. And of course, making something illegal doesn't mean you can control it. The war on drugs/alcohol/pornography has shown us that.
 

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I feel so bad for my non gamer cousin and uncle. I guess it'll just be a consolation for them how little they will care, seeing as one can't walk and still shits herself grinningly.
 

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Also in news: Michael Atkinson emigrates to Europe after being "threatened" by Aussie Gamers....

O Switzerland... I'm so disappointed in you....
 

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geldonyetich said:
I'm surprised to hear it. From what I heard about Switzerland, you'll find hardcore porno on the newsstands and pot being smoked openly. Doesn't sound like a place that would restrict the sales of video games.
You must be thinking of the netherlands. Switzerland is a very conservative right-wing country.

tomtom94 said:
This is why all politicians must be shot and replaced with people who actually know what the fuck they're doing!
Actually you're misunderstanding what's going on here, but that's because the news item was somewhat incorrectly reported here at the escapist. For now two motions have passed through the Commission for Legal Affairs, people who judge whether a motion can be turned into an applicable law. That means it's cleared to be submitted to the politicians in the parliament, but what's been evaluated so far was strictly the base legal aspect.

Second point is switzerland's a direct democracy. If the law does pass, it can be challenged through a referendum, a popular nationwide vote to invalidate it. Which, given the whole conservative thing, will probably have the predictable results that most of "the people", who don't give a shit about videogames but do read newspapers, will vote in favor of a continued ban on those violent games.
 

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God protect the children ( from censorship) cause we are majorly screwing up their lives by keeping them from knowing i wonder what these people will do if some one made a game that let you kill one person and the entire game is a cut scene of the Moral and physical reprocutions
 

Kor Khan

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Yes, this topic did enter the news here, although there hasn't exactly been much debate on it in the papers. Maybe when it comes before parliament it will gather a bit more interest. Generally, however, the problem remains that those making the laws and writing the newspaper articles will be almost exclusively non-gamers.

While I myself will probably just go on ordering my games from Amazon and similar places, it's disturbing trend to say the least: Even non-gamers should see the inconsistencies that such censorship has with a democratic society. Banning mentally capable adults from activities that do not cause harm to others is not a mark of enlightened authority.

This being a semi-direct democracy, I'm just curious about whether if the second proposed bill does get through the legislative, those opposing it might be able to call a referendum on it. And if that succeeds, how the people will ultimately decide.

You must be thinking of the Netherlands. Switzerland is a very conservative right-wing country.
Despite what the latest international news on the country might suggest, it's way more complicated than you think. While the right-wing Nationalist/Populist Swiss People's Party is the best-represented in parliament, the Social Democrats and Greens outnumber them in combination. There are also two more centrist parties (one Christian-democrat, one economically liberal/libertarian) that may swing either left or right, depending on the debate. From that point of view, Switzerland is quite polarised politically.

The minaret ban was a major shock, but I put it more down to the apathy and general ineffectualness of left-wingers and moderates (all major parties except the SPP strongly opposed it).

The guy is in fact right. Cannabis is technically illegal to sell, but is tolerated in small quantities. I have indeed seen it smoked out-of-doors. Porno magazines are also sold in some kiosks in plain view.
 

Bobby_C

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Kor Khan said:
You must be thinking of the Netherlands. Switzerland is a very conservative right-wing country.
Despite what the latest international news on the country might suggest, it's way more complicated than you think.
And it's simpler than you think. I'm from there too :p
We are a very conservative, traditionalist country, not just at the political level. We're staying out of europe, were staying out of the UN until recently, vote for women is relatively recent in some regions, we're keeping an army that at its current size is largely bloated and redundant, and whenever something interesting could be done for foreign policy it's brushed away in the name of neutrality, and at a more personal level we used to ignore half of my family because they weren't catholics. For all the apparent polarization we still have an executive system that's specifically built around consensus so that all that polarization is buffered away (though ironically it's the right-wingers who want to change that). The apathy you mentioned is itself a symptom of that conservatism. It's not a country that likes change.
 

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Bear in mind that "conservative" has different connotations depending on where you are and what the context of the discussion is. If by "conservative" you mean "averse to change", then I would agree with you. Switzerland does tend to be fairly slow in introducing major reforms, both at a political and a social level. This does not make the country right-wing, though, as it is perfectly possible to have "conservative" socialists, communists or liberals in this respect.

Most Americans, however, tend to understand conservatism as a virtual synonym for (non-totalitarian) right-wing politics, or sometimes a more specific ideology within that spectrum. Switzerland is by no means overwhelmingly right-wing, hence my assertion that the situation was more complicated. It varies from canton to canton too, by the way, so the socio-political landscape in Basel might not by the same as in Appenzell.

Apart from anything else, I was addressing the claim that geldonyetich could not have been thinking of Switzerland. According to my experience, his quote was right on both counts.
 

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[quote="Fat_Hippo" post="7.176080.5017968


Besides, I thought the first thing was already law. They won't give me the damn games, anyway. I'm not sure how I'd react to the second one. Does the PEGI simply refuse to rate some games or what? Otherwise...who cares?[/quote]

I thought it was already a law too.

I always laughed at the germans who have to buy +18 uncut games in austria, now I have to do that maybe too *sadface*
 

Jark212

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So the Domino Theory is real, and applies to censorship...

Get your copies of GTA and any weapon you might have in your home, FOR TOMORROW WE MARCH ON AUSTRALIA!!!!

There it started and there it must end!!!!
 

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Fat_Hippo said:
Dudeakoff said:
What happened Switzerland? You used to be cool.
We're still cool. We're still cool! It's not our fault! Oh well, at least we aren't Australia.

Besides, I thought the first thing was already law. They won't give me the damn games, anyway. I'm not sure how I'd react to the second one. Does the PEGI simply refuse to rate some games or what? Otherwise...who cares?
The PEGI only rates games by request. The only games they rate voluntarily are the highly publicized ones.
 

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Anyways... it's not a big deal. A "motion" just requests the parliament to "talk" about it but doesn't require it to be done. Even if it is accepted and done people can call for the "referendum" and send it down the drain. Too many steps involved for something like this to take off in the long run.
 

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Odjin said:
Funny... I live in Switzerland but that's not a topic here. What kind of news is that?
That's International news for you....

They had a report on the BBC news about making "green sheep" that "burp less" for Australian news, but I've heard nothing of it on the local news sources here in Australia..



In short, it wont go though.
 

Kathinka

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anyone surprised? i mean come on, that's the country that banned minarettes, who did not see that coming^^
 

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No no no no no nooooo! Not cool. Come on Switzerland. How is anyone falling for that crap. Officials don't find any correlation, a newspaper article worked it in to the article in a sort of subtle way. (For journalists)