Take a Walk Through the Hellish World of Dark Souls

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It looks great, I loved Demon's Souls and I'm sure I'll love this. I just kind of hope the way you travel through the world is a bit more immersive. Traveling to different areas through the Nexus made me feel like I was warping myself to the next level, instead of traveling to some distant land.
 

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Nedoras said:
It looks great, I loved Demon's Souls and I'm sure I'll love this. I just kind of hope the way you travel through the world is a bit more immersive. Traveling to different areas through the Nexus made me feel like I was warping myself to the next level, instead of traveling to some distant land.
They said that the zones will now have no hud like the nexus and you will travel all over.
 

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Korten12 said:
Nedoras said:
It looks great, I loved Demon's Souls and I'm sure I'll love this. I just kind of hope the way you travel through the world is a bit more immersive. Traveling to different areas through the Nexus made me feel like I was warping myself to the next level, instead of traveling to some distant land.
They said that the zones will now have no hud like the nexus and you will travel all over.
Awesome, thanks for letting me know.
 

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Nedoras said:
Korten12 said:
Nedoras said:
It looks great, I loved Demon's Souls and I'm sure I'll love this. I just kind of hope the way you travel through the world is a bit more immersive. Traveling to different areas through the Nexus made me feel like I was warping myself to the next level, instead of traveling to some distant land.
They said that the zones will now have no hud like the nexus and you will travel all over.
Awesome, thanks for letting me know.
Here is the rest of the info I got off of Dtoid:

?There will be a lot more exploration in Dark Souls, featuring wide open. seamless fields in which to traverse. Anything you see on screen, you can reach. That castle or dungeon in the background? You will get there eventually.
?The game has no map, just a position marker.
?Dark Souls will be as challenging as Demon's Souls. The team wants a game that will be tough, but ultimately rewarding. A sense of achievement is paramount.
?The game will play similarly to Demon's Souls. The plan is to kill you a lot, so you get better.
?Dark Souls is not set in the same world as Demon's Souls, and will have an original story. It will not have the same "hub" format, either, instead featuring a variety of maps connected to a seamless open world.
?Level designs will be more complex.
?Inspired by medieval dark fantasy, contains themes like "high fantasy of kings and knights", "death and the depths of the earth", and "the flames of chaos."
?Players will get a lot more freedom with how they choose to play the game. Character creation will not be class based. The number of spells and weapons will be increased, as will attack animations.
?Co-op and PvP will appear, with online connectivity similar to that of Demon's Souls. Just like the last game, you can watch other players die, and read messages they leave behind.
?No Soul Tendency this time, as the studio doesn't want dedicate servers. Instead the focus will be on "mutual roleplaying", something that will be detailed at another time.
 

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Thedarkness77 said:
looks great. I loved Demon soul's but i do hope they add difficulty options to this game.
No! For the love of god! I really hope they don't that would ruin it! luckily they already mentioned it will be just as hard as DS. :)
Yes, god forbid other players that aren't masochistic, psychotic, and obsessive compulsive stand a chance. The best games are the ones nobody's seen the second half of afterall.
 

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Korten12 said:
Thedarkness77 said:
looks great. I loved Demon soul's but i do hope they add difficulty options to this game.
No! For the love of god! I really hope they don't that would ruin it! luckily they already mentioned it will be just as hard as DS. :)
Yes, god forbid other players that aren't both masochistic, psychotic, and obsessive compulsive stand a chance. The best games are the ones nobody's seen the second half of afterall.
You don't need to be any of those to be good at Demon's Souls. All you need to do is not run in like all other RPGs, and take your time.

Demon's Souls really isn't hard, what makes it hard is that so many are already used to other RPGs.
 

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Korten12 said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
Thedarkness77 said:
looks great. I loved Demon soul's but i do hope they add difficulty options to this game.
No! For the love of god! I really hope they don't that would ruin it! luckily they already mentioned it will be just as hard as DS. :)
Yes, god forbid other players that aren't both masochistic, psychotic, and obsessive compulsive stand a chance. The best games are the ones nobody's seen the second half of afterall.
You don't need to be any of those to be good at Demon's Souls. All you need to do is not run in like all other RPGs, and take your time.

Demon's Souls really isn't hard, what makes it hard is that so many are already used to other RPGs.
The part where you mention being killed a lot belies your argument. I get the feeling that players will spend more time on the game over screen than actually playing no matter how good you are at these kinds of games.
 

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archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
Thedarkness77 said:
looks great. I loved Demon soul's but i do hope they add difficulty options to this game.
No! For the love of god! I really hope they don't that would ruin it! luckily they already mentioned it will be just as hard as DS. :)
Yes, god forbid other players that aren't both masochistic, psychotic, and obsessive compulsive stand a chance. The best games are the ones nobody's seen the second half of afterall.
You don't need to be any of those to be good at Demon's Souls. All you need to do is not run in like all other RPGs, and take your time.

Demon's Souls really isn't hard, what makes it hard is that so many are already used to other RPGs.
The part where you mention being killed a lot belies your argument. I get the feeling that players will spend more time on the game over screen than actually playing no matter how good you are at these kinds of games.
Well dying is a feature of the game. In DS1, when you died, you became a ghost, and the game became harder if you died in your alive form. Your health was even cut in half (or 1/3 if you had a ring) but this was all a natural process.

In Demon's Souls and probably like in Dark Souls. Dying is a natural process, its not the end, its a begining.
 

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Korten12 said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
Thedarkness77 said:
looks great. I loved Demon soul's but i do hope they add difficulty options to this game.
No! For the love of god! I really hope they don't that would ruin it! luckily they already mentioned it will be just as hard as DS. :)
Yes, god forbid other players that aren't both masochistic, psychotic, and obsessive compulsive stand a chance. The best games are the ones nobody's seen the second half of afterall.
You don't need to be any of those to be good at Demon's Souls. All you need to do is not run in like all other RPGs, and take your time.

Demon's Souls really isn't hard, what makes it hard is that so many are already used to other RPGs.
The part where you mention being killed a lot belies your argument. I get the feeling that players will spend more time on the game over screen than actually playing no matter how good you are at these kinds of games.
Well dying is a feature of the game. In DS1, when you died, you became a ghost, and the game became harder if you died in your alive form. Your health was even cut in half (or 1/3 if you had a ring) but this was all a natural process.

In Demon's Souls and probably like in Dark Souls. Dying is a natural process, its not the end, its a begining.
So when the game realizes that it's too hard for the player it decides the best course of action is to make it harder still? That sounds pretty idiotic to me. A tough challenge is fine and all, but I don't like game that essentially just continuously gives me the middle finger throughout the adventure and pisses on my corpse everytime I fail (one of the reasons I didn't like TF2), and then makes it harder so it has more opertunities to relieve itself like my body is the only bathroom in the land.
 

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archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
Thedarkness77 said:
looks great. I loved Demon soul's but i do hope they add difficulty options to this game.
No! For the love of god! I really hope they don't that would ruin it! luckily they already mentioned it will be just as hard as DS. :)
Yes, god forbid other players that aren't both masochistic, psychotic, and obsessive compulsive stand a chance. The best games are the ones nobody's seen the second half of afterall.
You don't need to be any of those to be good at Demon's Souls. All you need to do is not run in like all other RPGs, and take your time.

Demon's Souls really isn't hard, what makes it hard is that so many are already used to other RPGs.
The part where you mention being killed a lot belies your argument. I get the feeling that players will spend more time on the game over screen than actually playing no matter how good you are at these kinds of games.
Not at all, you're only being killed a lot if you are playing the game wrong. Once I learned what not to do and how to get through the game, I made it through the majority of the worlds and bosses on the first try, without dying.

The game only kills you because you're doing something wrong. It reinforces good behavior and punishes mistakes, so that you don't make those mistakes a second time. After all, if something kills you, making you go to half health, then you won't need that health anyway, since you shouldn't be dying to it again.
 

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Rabid Toilet said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
Thedarkness77 said:
looks great. I loved Demon soul's but i do hope they add difficulty options to this game.
No! For the love of god! I really hope they don't that would ruin it! luckily they already mentioned it will be just as hard as DS. :)
Yes, god forbid other players that aren't both masochistic, psychotic, and obsessive compulsive stand a chance. The best games are the ones nobody's seen the second half of afterall.
You don't need to be any of those to be good at Demon's Souls. All you need to do is not run in like all other RPGs, and take your time.

Demon's Souls really isn't hard, what makes it hard is that so many are already used to other RPGs.
The part where you mention being killed a lot belies your argument. I get the feeling that players will spend more time on the game over screen than actually playing no matter how good you are at these kinds of games.
Not at all, you're only being killed a lot if you are playing the game wrong. Once I learned what not to do and how to get through the game, I made it through the majority of the worlds and bosses on the first try, without dying.

The game only kills you because you're doing something wrong. It reinforces good behavior and punishes mistakes, so that you don't make those mistakes a second time. After all, if something kills you, making you go to half health, then you won't need that health anyway, since you shouldn't be dying to it again.
That's assuming everything goes exactly the same way it did the first time. Or does it, and the game's just trial and error?
 

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archvile93 said:
Rabid Toilet said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
Thedarkness77 said:
looks great. I loved Demon soul's but i do hope they add difficulty options to this game.
No! For the love of god! I really hope they don't that would ruin it! luckily they already mentioned it will be just as hard as DS. :)
Yes, god forbid other players that aren't both masochistic, psychotic, and obsessive compulsive stand a chance. The best games are the ones nobody's seen the second half of afterall.
You don't need to be any of those to be good at Demon's Souls. All you need to do is not run in like all other RPGs, and take your time.

Demon's Souls really isn't hard, what makes it hard is that so many are already used to other RPGs.
The part where you mention being killed a lot belies your argument. I get the feeling that players will spend more time on the game over screen than actually playing no matter how good you are at these kinds of games.
Not at all, you're only being killed a lot if you are playing the game wrong. Once I learned what not to do and how to get through the game, I made it through the majority of the worlds and bosses on the first try, without dying.

The game only kills you because you're doing something wrong. It reinforces good behavior and punishes mistakes, so that you don't make those mistakes a second time. After all, if something kills you, making you go to half health, then you won't need that health anyway, since you shouldn't be dying to it again.
That's assuming everything goes exactly the same way it did the first time. Or does it, and the game's just trial and error?
Yup, the game is full of trial and error.
 

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Korten12 said:
archvile93 said:
Rabid Toilet said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
Thedarkness77 said:
looks great. I loved Demon soul's but i do hope they add difficulty options to this game.
No! For the love of god! I really hope they don't that would ruin it! luckily they already mentioned it will be just as hard as DS. :)
Yes, god forbid other players that aren't both masochistic, psychotic, and obsessive compulsive stand a chance. The best games are the ones nobody's seen the second half of afterall.
You don't need to be any of those to be good at Demon's Souls. All you need to do is not run in like all other RPGs, and take your time.

Demon's Souls really isn't hard, what makes it hard is that so many are already used to other RPGs.
The part where you mention being killed a lot belies your argument. I get the feeling that players will spend more time on the game over screen than actually playing no matter how good you are at these kinds of games.
Not at all, you're only being killed a lot if you are playing the game wrong. Once I learned what not to do and how to get through the game, I made it through the majority of the worlds and bosses on the first try, without dying.

The game only kills you because you're doing something wrong. It reinforces good behavior and punishes mistakes, so that you don't make those mistakes a second time. After all, if something kills you, making you go to half health, then you won't need that health anyway, since you shouldn't be dying to it again.
That's assuming everything goes exactly the same way it did the first time. Or does it, and the game's just trial and error?
Yup, the game is full of trial and error.
So it's just an interactive movie disquised as a game then.
 

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archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
archvile93 said:
Rabid Toilet said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
Thedarkness77 said:
looks great. I loved Demon soul's but i do hope they add difficulty options to this game.
No! For the love of god! I really hope they don't that would ruin it! luckily they already mentioned it will be just as hard as DS. :)
Yes, god forbid other players that aren't both masochistic, psychotic, and obsessive compulsive stand a chance. The best games are the ones nobody's seen the second half of afterall.
You don't need to be any of those to be good at Demon's Souls. All you need to do is not run in like all other RPGs, and take your time.

Demon's Souls really isn't hard, what makes it hard is that so many are already used to other RPGs.
The part where you mention being killed a lot belies your argument. I get the feeling that players will spend more time on the game over screen than actually playing no matter how good you are at these kinds of games.
Not at all, you're only being killed a lot if you are playing the game wrong. Once I learned what not to do and how to get through the game, I made it through the majority of the worlds and bosses on the first try, without dying.

The game only kills you because you're doing something wrong. It reinforces good behavior and punishes mistakes, so that you don't make those mistakes a second time. After all, if something kills you, making you go to half health, then you won't need that health anyway, since you shouldn't be dying to it again.
That's assuming everything goes exactly the same way it did the first time. Or does it, and the game's just trial and error?
Yup, the game is full of trial and error.
So it's just an interactive movie disquised as a game then.
Wait... What..?
 

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archvile93 said:
That's assuming everything goes exactly the same way it did the first time. Or does it, and the game's just trial and error?
Part of the game is trial and error. If you die to a trap, you'll know where it is to avoid it next time. However, as I've said, it's possible to get through most of the game without dying. Even a killer trap can be avoided on the first try if you're paying attention and moving cautiously.

If you're honestly having an incredible amount of trouble with a certain enemy's mechanics, you might die a few times trying to figure out how to beat them. Once you figure it out, however, I don't think it's unreasonable to be able to use the same strategy on them again the next time you encounter them.

If you approach the game as if everything will kill you, you'll die much less often. The people who die over and over again throughout the game are the people who either overestimate their abilities or underestimate their enemies. If you're cautious and careful, you won't die all that often.
 

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Korten12 said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
archvile93 said:
Rabid Toilet said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
archvile93 said:
Korten12 said:
Thedarkness77 said:
looks great. I loved Demon soul's but i do hope they add difficulty options to this game.
No! For the love of god! I really hope they don't that would ruin it! luckily they already mentioned it will be just as hard as DS. :)
Yes, god forbid other players that aren't both masochistic, psychotic, and obsessive compulsive stand a chance. The best games are the ones nobody's seen the second half of afterall.
You don't need to be any of those to be good at Demon's Souls. All you need to do is not run in like all other RPGs, and take your time.

Demon's Souls really isn't hard, what makes it hard is that so many are already used to other RPGs.
The part where you mention being killed a lot belies your argument. I get the feeling that players will spend more time on the game over screen than actually playing no matter how good you are at these kinds of games.
Not at all, you're only being killed a lot if you are playing the game wrong. Once I learned what not to do and how to get through the game, I made it through the majority of the worlds and bosses on the first try, without dying.

The game only kills you because you're doing something wrong. It reinforces good behavior and punishes mistakes, so that you don't make those mistakes a second time. After all, if something kills you, making you go to half health, then you won't need that health anyway, since you shouldn't be dying to it again.
That's assuming everything goes exactly the same way it did the first time. Or does it, and the game's just trial and error?
Yup, the game is full of trial and error.
So it's just an interactive movie disquised as a game then.
Wait... What..?
If the way to win is to do everything in a predetermined manner (example, if you don't swing the golden war axe at the skeleton around this corners leg three seconds after seeing him you die) why couldn't it just be a choose your own adventure book or something like that?
 

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I hope they have a demo this time.

Still, from this early trailer I'm liking the looks of what I see. But I need to see a demo before I buy. I know there is no save points and I was willing to put up with that, it was other issues I had with Demon's Souls.

Demon Souls is kind of like the EVE Online of RPGs: hard, yes, cruel but fair, yes, and has a devoted following, yes, and basically a good game, yes (with a number of flaws that often go unmentioned), but not the kind of game that is to everyones taste.
 

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I seriously cannot wait for this to come out! Demons Souls was one of my favourite games from 09, and getting more of that amazing goodness just makes my day!