Taking Fashion Tips from Tim Curry and Other Matters of the Heart

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(edit: accidentally quoted myself instead of hitting "edit")

You were the more experienced one -- of course you "figured it out" first.

Seriously, we're acting like she's an idiot that's beyond all hope. It's like a college student thinking a middle school is "stupid" because he doesn't know Calculus yet. You helped draw her into this situation, you helped spearhead this monumental failure. Try not to be so high-and-mighty toward the girl.
 

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Dastardly said:
Dastardly said:
Lara Crigger said:
Love FAQ: Taking Fashion Tips from Tim Curry and Other Matters of the Heart

Dating can be a Rocky Horror.

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I think we could probably go a little easier on U-Haul's girl. These are both two kids that got in way too deep, way too fast. The fact that he is realizing it first doesn't mean she is a nutcase.

1. You mention "you took her virginity." I take this to also mean that you were "experienced" at the time. She has placed a lot of emotional value on that -- it's a huge risk for a young girl to give that away, and she's going to be a little bit paranoid about abandonment. Welcome to the world of young girls inexperienced in sex -- it is a normal and understandable (though unpleasant) reaction.

2. You've been together less than a year, and you've moved in together. An apartment lease is usually at least a year. To say you both rushed this decision is like saying the ocean is "moist." That kind of rushed "commitment" fuels clinginess -- the faster you commit to that, the more noticeable it is when you back up even a little.

3. You are planning to leave her. Doesn't that sort of validate her concern, in a twist of slight irony? She may not be handling it well, but she's not wrong.

4. She's paying rent? And whose name is the lease in? What she does with her money is her business at that point. If she's paying for rent and food for two, then paying rent and food for one won't kill her -- doesn't sound to me like you're "supporting her financially." Sounds like she's supporting you.

Basically, if you want out, just get out. But why so much effort to badmouth the girl while you do it? The more blame you assign to her, the less likely it is that you're actually learning anything from the incredible mistakes you have made.
You were the more experienced one -- of course you "figured it out" first.

Seriously, we're acting like she's an idiot that's beyond all hope. It's like a college student thinking a middle school is "stupid" because he doesn't know Calculus yet. You helped draw her into this situation, you helped spearhead this monumental failure. Try not to be so high-and-mighty toward the girl.
This seems to have touched a nerve (just an observation not trying get you into an argument) I'm not saying your wrong, in fact I agree with you, although that wasn't the best example because stupid is relative, so a middle school is "stupid" compared to a college student, then again I know many college students who can't do basic algebra so you can draw the same conclusion there.
 

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Kalezian said:
artanis_neravar said:
rsvp42 said:
Formica Archonis said:
And I think I just heard every guy who's written in with a "looking for love" question screaming "WHERE ARE YOU?"
It's possible that her clothes aren't the only thing turning guys off (or at least guys in bars). All we know from this description is generally how she dresses, so we can only guess how she looks or how she acts around people. I always like to assume the best, but sometimes I think people omit important details in these letters.
Yeah but no one wants to hear that the reason they can't get a guy(or girl) is because they are an uggo
Kalezian said:
Formica Archonis said:
I'm a 19-year-old girl looking for love.
(...)
My look could be described as geek chic meets Rocky Horror, but apparently that's not attractive to the type of people I'm attracted to.
And I think I just heard every guy who's written in with a "looking for love" question screaming "WHERE ARE YOU?"

For my part I'm just slightly heartened that it's not ONLY the guys who are having problems.:/

I actually laughed a bit when I started reading that question.


Knowing full well that the first page of comments would be filled with: "OMG, that sounds liek someone I would love to meet!"

"You sound like you are my type!"

"I WANT TO EAT YOUR LEFTOVERS THAT YOU FORGOT ABOUT UNTIL JUST NOW!"

And I was not disappointed, Thank you Escapist Guys, stay classy.
I'm assuming you disapprove of this practice, in which case I agree with you, there is way to much information left out of that letter to decide whether you would actually want to get to know her.

She said pink hair and corsets, while I myself think corsets look sexy if done right, having both pink hair [which I am imagining is in a semi-dreadlock or cluttered state, at the very least in a type of Ramona hairdo, just making assumptions] would indeed make me think twice if I actually wanted to get to know her.

She could deep down be a really nice person who is just having bad luck.


or, she could have a closet full of taxidermy squirrels poised in scenes from Red Dwarf.
I was thinking her hair looked more like this
But either way that's exactly my point.
 

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artanis_neravar said:
This seems to have touched a nerve (just an observation not trying get you into an argument) I'm not saying your wrong, in fact I agree with you, although that wasn't the best example because stupid is relative, so a middle school is "stupid" compared to a college student, then again I know many college students who can't do basic algebra so you can draw the same conclusion there.
We only disagree slightly.

To me, "stupid" is when someone should know something and they do not. A middle school isn't expected to know Calculus -- so it would be ridiculous of a university math major to think, "Man, that middle schooler is an idiot! He can't even do basic derivation!" It's a false sense of superiority brought about by intellectual bullying.

But plenty of people do it. We look back at someone who is where we used to be, and we treat them like they're a total moron. We do it as a way of saying (to ourselves), "Look how not like that I am now." Instead of recognizing this person is just chronologically behind us on the exact same journey.
 

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I actually laughed a bit when I started reading that question.

"You sound like you are my type!"
I am offended/outraged that you'd use my words to speculate like that. I don't get offended by things I see here very often, so you probably get some sort of prize for that. Don't lump me in there with the woman-hating-ladder-theory-paedophile-enabling-drugs-are-bad humps that seem to post this sort've stuff, I implore you - we just don't get many goth/geek/interestingly dressed girls in Liverpool, England. Mostly because other girls try to ridicule your originality as early as possible and it breaks my heart to see a trusted internet advice source doing the same thing that five years of bullying seems to do to so many girls round here.

Was 'I WANT TO EAT YOUR LEFTOVERS' the creepiest thing you could think of? Because if it is I just wanna hug you and protect you from the internet.

I wish someone would've done that to me. I used to be such a Sonic The Hedgehog fan, Kalezian. Such a fan...

artanis_neravar said:
It's funny cause the time warp, as well as the show, is all about free love (It's the pelvic thrust that really drives you insane)
I totally need to watch the movie again. Not only might it refresh my memory but it's been too long since I saw a character actor in drag. It might remind me of my childhood too.
 

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The only things I got out of this were:

1) the definition of sartorial.
2) continued proof that guys and girls aren't actually all that much different.


Not really helpful to be honest :/.
 

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First letter, to the girl looking for love.

You always dress for your target audience, trying to find love is like sales, this time you trying to sell yourself. Just think about what kind of dudes you're into would be into and get yourself into it, I'm referring only to cloths here.

Just as you wouldn't try to sell a FPS with a picture of mario on the box, you don't just dress however you want and expect to find dudes you want.

Second letter,

People grows, the girl probably didn't have much experience with love, moving in, etc.

Before doing something drastic you should try to talk to her, communicate, like the way you wrote your letter. Talk to her about what's bothering you. Give her and yourself a chance to grow together.
 

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Responding to the last letter:
If a boy I knew told me he had long fawned over me, I would feel pretty cool and awesome. I can be bi towards certain kinds of boys in certain situations, but even if he didn't fit those variables, I wouldn't be bothered or want to nudge a little bit away from him.
 

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Kalezian said:
oh, I could of thought of far, far worse things, but I dont particularly feel like getting warned/probation'd/banned, so I went with something that would sound surreal and creepy, yet realistic.


I can lump people in the the same group, however, when they do indeed fall within my purview [hah, I can use big words also!] of expectations.
Oh, sweetheart. You thought that was me using big words? Bless your adorable, thrice-knit cotton socks.

Also, finish your sentence.

'I can lump people in the the same group, however, when they do indeed fall within my purview [hah, I can use big words also!] of expectations.'

What do you do to people that fall within your purview of expectations? Do you eat their leftovers?

What am I doing... this isn't me at all. I don't wanna get dragged into an internet battle over this. Not on the escapist forum anyway. I just didn't want to be put with the ladder theory crowd. Maybe I was projecting quite hard with my initial post, I dunno.

Can I extend an honest internet handshake? Seriously, I don't want to be a dick online. That's not my usual internet habit whatsoever.



[quotew] also:

trusted internet advice source

....you actually believe, even with a disclaimer and everything, that the people who wrote in should follow what Lara Crigger says?


This is the internet.

and yes, I feel as if this video is needed for this situation:

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I dunno. There are worse people to get advice from. Like old testament God. She'd be all 'I don't think I can find love wearing Rocky Horror Picture Show Outfits' and he'd be all 'PLAGUE OF FUCKING LOCUSTS IN YOUR SKIN FOR BEING DIFFERENT!'

This time though I saw fragments of the female bullies I went to school with in her advice and thought I had to say some words. I could be wrong but in this instance Lara seemed to be trying to be break people into the cycle, much nicer than the girls I went to school with, but it was there nonetheless.

I did enjoy the internets video though, truly. It's gonna be stuck in my head for days.

EDT: I am so horrible at quoting people. It is my undoing.
 

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Formica Archonis said:
I'm a 19-year-old girl looking for love.
(...)
My look could be described as geek chic meets Rocky Horror, but apparently that's not attractive to the type of people I'm attracted to.
And I think I just heard every guy who's written in with a "looking for love" question screaming "WHERE ARE YOU?"
Agreed XD


Hmm, I understand where Miss Frank is coming from as a lot of my friends tend to dress over-the-top. All I can say is that if that's what you like, I would say stick with it. More power for wearing it to the bank and such. I think the biggest problem is where you search for guys. Obviously your average guy that would find you attractive and such is not going to be at a bar (unless its something like the mana bar) so I'd suggest trying maybe... Ohh I dunno a coffee shop, internet cafe, someplace along those lines.


Feel really bad for Mr. U-haul. I'd have to agree though. Get the -FUCK- out of there. It does not matter what she thinks, if she's as bad as she's coming off to be, the only thing you can do is get out. Quickly. If she threatens to hurt herself, call the police. If she threatens to hire someone to hurt you, make sure to record the call, then call the police. Definetly save up to get out of there though...



In response to wanting... Well, unfortunatly I've been in a similar role so I'd have to just say push it out of the way as there's no point in trying. It'll just lead to awkward moments and possibly ruin your friendship/whatever you have... I had a slightly similar experience at homecoming. Girl I had known for three years, took them to homecoming (with a few other friends), bought her roses, then right as I'm about to ask her if she wanted to go out on a date some time as more than just friends, some scrawny little punk who I've never seen before (and didn't see for the rest of my time there) sneaks up and whispers something in her ear... Turns out she'd been drooling over him for the past two years and he asked her if she wanted to go out with him... Being the daring idiot that I am, I mustered up the courage to ask that question at the end of the dance and well... It was awkward and she's barely spoken to me in two weeks now. *sigh* It's better to just let it go than ruin something. I understand how hard it might be, but in the end it only creates an awkward moment. Doubly-so if she has a boyfriend...
 

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Dastardly said:
artanis_neravar said:
This seems to have touched a nerve (just an observation not trying get you into an argument) I'm not saying your wrong, in fact I agree with you, although that wasn't the best example because stupid is relative, so a middle school is "stupid" compared to a college student, then again I know many college students who can't do basic algebra so you can draw the same conclusion there.
We only disagree slightly.

To me, "stupid" is when someone should know something and they do not. A middle school isn't expected to know Calculus -- so it would be ridiculous of a university math major to think, "Man, that middle schooler is an idiot! He can't even do basic derivation!" It's a false sense of superiority brought about by intellectual bullying.

But plenty of people do it. We look back at someone who is where we used to be, and we treat them like they're a total moron. We do it as a way of saying (to ourselves), "Look how not like that I am now." Instead of recognizing this person is just chronologically behind us on the exact same journey.
Interesting how you define stupid is how i define ignorant although now that I look it up I have it backwards, either way both words carry to much weight in our society to be applied to middle schoolers who don't know how to solve basic differential equations
 

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Formica Archonis said:
So we might as well take it at face value because it's all we have to go off of. Otherwise every time we see an "I can't find love" question we might as well mentally append the line "Also, I take my dead, stuffed poodle Snuffly with me whenever I go out. I talk to it and buy it drinks." and write them off.
Kalezian said:
or, she could have a closet full of taxidermy squirrels poised in scenes from Red Dwarf.
Taxidermy [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2014186/Taxidermy-animals-gone-wrong.html]: The go-to hobby for making someone sound crazy.
 

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You shouldn't have to change what you look like. Sure if her bright pink hair is a mess or if her corset doesn't flatter her body type she shouldn't wear it (not saying NO FAT CHICKS or transvestites, bigger people can wear corsets if it fits right). But over all she shouldn't have to die her appearance down just to meet a guy. If I saw a bright pink haired woman wearing a nice modern outfit and I started to date her and out of no where she comes out full on Rocky Horror I would think something was wrong and vice versa. She should just hang around people like her more often. She'll find a guy that likes the way she looks and hey possibly he'll dress the same.

If a guy thinks she's too intimidating then he isn't the right guy for her. Or if he doesn't like the way she dresses then no way in hell should she date him. It takes a brave and special person to be the "odd one out" of the group. Lets face it no matter how awesome she might be, she is considered "odd" and if not all people can accept that, that just shows that who ever does is also awesome.

Miss Frank-N-Furter, loads of guys love the way you dress, just gotta find 'em. I personally would die of happiness if a chick awesome enough to have bright pink hair and who dresses like a sweet transvestite was into me.

(why yes I did advertently called myself awesome)
 

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i have to say, for the first time, i disagree with pretty much any and all of the advice given this time, therefor here would be my advice, distilled into short sentences

Frank-N-Furter
your fine how you are, if men wont come to you, you go to them
find someone you think is attractive and go talk to them yourself
it may be the social norm that the male takes the initial active role, but some men aren't comfortable with that, especially socially awkward geek guys, and it sounds like your appearance might be a little intimidating
some guys, like me for example, would sit around in the back of a group alone hoping someone, anyone, might actually sit down and talk to them, that unfortunately isn't a very good strategy, so go make someones day

U-Haul Truck
Sit down with your girl and have a strait up honest talk with her, tell her your concerns
if you really don't care for her anymore, then tell her you want to break up and exactly why
furthermore, she got along fine without you before you got together, she will do fine on her own when you leave her, if you intend to dump the girl, then her financial well being isn't your responsibility
ultimately i feel that an honest actual discussion is the best and least hurtful thing you can do, either work it out with her, or dump her though, don't sit in silence

Wanting Jessie's Girl
there are two ways you can deal with it, you can keep your feelings bottled up and never say anything, and try to turn your own attention to someone else, you will of corse, never know what might have, or might not have been, but that's the natural way of things
or
you can tell her how you feel, worst case scenario there is she tells you that shes not interested, a real friend can work through the awkwardness that would likely follow and you could very possibly remain good friends, and it will feel better and be easier to move on if you get an actual rejection
on the other hand it could also start a new relationship with her, you could become closer, or even lovers, if your worried about hurting her boyfriend, keep in mind that your confession could act as a test for their relationship, if you get the girl instead of him, then perhaps their relationship wasn't as strong as initially imagined, and your confession just makes it end sooner rather then later
either way you go will likely have consequences, keep your feelings to yourself and never know if you could have been more, or tell her and risk losing your friendships, i advise you to think hard about what you really want, and commit yourself to a decision and never waiver from it

Final words
well that was allot longer then i originally thought
id advise anyone who actually read that wall of text to keep in mind that I'm a lonely guy who has never been on an actual date in his life, and who's advice comes from an idealized place in his mind, i only wish to help and i don't imagine myself as any sort of love guru, ultimately i believe that open and honest communication is the only real way to deal with relationship problems, and that if you really care about someone, then pretty much anything can be worked though, unlike fantasies, love isn't easy, it requires constant maintenance or it will break down and leave everyone miserable, that doesn't mean that it isn't worth the effort, take it from someone whose never known real love, it is most definitely not better to be alone
 

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gallaetha_matt said:
Also, finish your sentence.

'I can lump people in the the same group, however, when they do indeed fall within my purview [hah, I can use big words also!] of expectations.'

What do you do to people that fall within your purview of expectations? Do you eat their leftovers?
The sentence is complete. He lumps them in the same group.
 

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gallaetha_matt said:
Kalezian said:
oh, I could of thought of far, far worse things, but I dont particularly feel like getting warned/probation'd/banned, so I went with something that would sound surreal and creepy, yet realistic.


I can lump people in the the same group, however, when they do indeed fall within my purview [hah, I can use big words also!] of expectations.
Oh, sweetheart. You thought that was me using big words? Bless your adorable, thrice-knit cotton socks.

Also, finish your sentence.

'I can lump people in the the same group, however, when they do indeed fall within my purview [hah, I can use big words also!] of expectations.'

What do you do to people that fall within your purview of expectations? Do you eat their leftovers?

What am I doing... this isn't me at all. I don't wanna get dragged into an internet battle over this. Not on the escapist forum anyway. I just didn't want to be put with the ladder theory crowd. Maybe I was projecting quite hard with my initial post, I dunno.

Can I extend an honest internet handshake? Seriously, I don't want to be a dick online. That's not my usual internet habit whatsoever.



[quotew] also:

trusted internet advice source

....you actually believe, even with a disclaimer and everything, that the people who wrote in should follow what Lara Crigger says?


This is the internet.

and yes, I feel as if this video is needed for this situation:

I dunno. There are worse people to get advice from. Like old testament God. She'd be all 'I don't think I can find love wearing Rocky Horror Picture Show Outfits' and he'd be all 'PLAGUE OF FUCKING LOCUSTS IN YOUR SKIN FOR BEING DIFFERENT!'

This time though I saw fragments of the female bullies I went to school with in her advice and thought I had to say some words. I could be wrong but in this instance Lara seemed to be trying to be break people into the cycle, much nicer than the girls I went to school with, but it was there nonetheless.

I did enjoy the internets video though, truly. It's gonna be stuck in my head for days.

EDT: I am so horrible at quoting people. It is my undoing.[/quote]

I'm kind of bored, so I think I'll give my own unsolicited, third-party opinion on this exchange: What the hell are you two talking about?

First, there was an advice column telling someone who is the textbook definition of an "attention-whore" to cut it out if she wanted to find someone. Solid advice, if I may say so.

But then one of you got really cranky about something, and it all just devolved into chaos. There was something about 'leftovers', then a weird video with a sock puppet, and some religion-bashing right out of left field.

Crazy opinions, I can handle; you come to expect that from any online community. But I really wish that forum posts were written a bit more clearly. It would make things far less confusing.