Tali'Zorah is 9 days old: An update and a story on fatherhood

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TheMigrantSoldier

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Congrats. At first, I thought you made a mistake but then I rethinked it. People have been naming their children after popular characters (literature, fables, plays, even film) for a very long time. Plus, Tali has its roots in Hebrew.

I'm wondering if she will play the Mass Effect series in the year 20XX. Would be awkward.
 

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Congratulations mate! really glad to hear that she is doing well.

Even though I advised her name to be Tali Zorah Rose [surname] I think the people still berating you are being a little over zealous in their nay saying. Besides you yourself have already shortened it to Tali ;)

So all the best, congratulations again and take good care of that little cutie!
 

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I don't get the logic behind the whole "kids will bully other kids anyway so let's just give them one more reason to bully our kid," argument. I mean sure kids really will find any reason to bully other kids but the point is that you minimize the probability of that happening and don't increase it. That's like saying "Sure you're going to get shot at in a warzone anyway so walking into the open whilst waving your arms about isn't going to make any difference," a bit of an exaggeration but you get the point....
 

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Man, wasn't going to respond but there are some comments on this thread that are just flat-out mean. Granted, this is the internets we all know and love but yeesh. People.

"D'awwww" ain't the half of it. My daughter just turned three, and man I miss the days she was that small. I'm sure you're getting a sense of it but for a time to come she's going to have the most perfect dead-pan reaction to everything. Play it up for laughs but don't let it get to you (or your wife). The youngling loves you like crazy, just has no muscles to show it. One day she'll smile and the top of your head will be blown clean off. Then she'll do it again and again and you'll stop caring about the nagging suspicion that she's got you wrapped around her little finger.

Good on you for quitting smoking. My dad the the cold turkey thing when I was born, same reasons as you. There are bits which'll suck but it can be done and I'm glad to hear you're doing it.

Regarding the name. Awesome. I work for a school district and there isn't a normal to speak of, mine isn't exactly standard and it's never caused problems. Tali will be as fine as any kid. It's cool to be proud of a name as a parent, too, I can't believe folks are giving you grief about this. Maybe - pure speculation here - they haven't named kids yet. Or maybe they have and our opinions differ. Everyone has (or ought to have) a story about how / why they named their kid. Feel good about what you did.

Also, be happy. Be very very happy. And for the love of all that is good, sleep whenever the kid sleeps.



PS - fwiw you're aware that Robin Williams named his daughter Zelda after the videogame, right?
 

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Welp, there's nothing more I, or anyone, can do to convince you otherwise, now, no matter how many pages we fill.

Honestly I think this name is just going to give you more crap to deal with, but you seem to be facing the crap on and screaming "COME AT ME BRO" so, whatever.

Boy, that was crude. Anyway, best of luck to you, enjoy the kid. Let's hope things continue to run smoothly for a while, at least.
 

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Simple Bluff said:
DrunkOnEstus said:
I already encountered the "apostrophe not working in the computer system" at the pediatrician, so they just dropped it and it's "Talizorah" on the paperwork there.
Wait, really? Why would an apostrophe cause an error in the system? Lots of names have apostrophes - well not in their first name, granted, but there's plenty of "O' Neils, O' Connors" etc. That's an awfully silly system.

Anyway, congratulations on the baby. I didn't look at the pictures but she sounds well. I can't say I like the name Tali'Zorah (Tali sounds really nice on its own though), but you've thought about it a hell of a lot more than I have, and it seems like you done it for the right reasons. You seem to be doing a pretty good job of looking after her, and that's always nice to see.

Thanks for sharing OP. Made my day a little brighter.
Those names can cause problems too, although the last name field can sometimes be set up to handle apostrophes while the first name field isn't. Blame it an lazy programmers not realizing that first names can have apostrophes as well.

OT: I told you about those apostrophes in the last thread, I told you those damn things were going to cause a headache. You're going to have to be careful in the future, as it can cause problems like dropped information and lost applications with large companies and government agencies, so you and eventually your daughter are going to have to make sure you're proactive at following this kind of thing up, having her in the various systems as both Tali'zorah and Talizorah is going to fuck something up somewhere down the line. Be aware of that, and you should be able to catch it before it becomes a major inconvenience.

As for everything else, well my pedantic nerd side kind of rages that you've given her a quarian first and last name for just her first name, but, I've still seen far worse; at least you didn't name her Glittery Moonlight (Yeah, I've seen someone named that, poor girl spent her entire teenage years resenting the hell out of her parents for that). Like I said in the previous thread, I've dealt with kids a lot in my life, quite a few with unique names, and it usually comes down to them either hating their name with a fiery passion, or loving it, there's usually very little middle ground.

Still, you can shorten the name to Tali, and that's a totally legit name, so your kid might very well get away with the apostrophe being the most inconvenient thing about the name growing up. I suppose it depends on how many people make the Mass Effect connection, and what field she wants to get into, if she goes into something like politics or international business relations, she'll probably be practically forced to change her name or officially shorten it to Tali, a major political party is not going to let a major candidate on stage who's name is a blatant reference to a copyrighted work. That happens to people with normal names too though, the public stage often requires that people have a name with the most effectiveness you can try to squeeze out of it.
 

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It's your decision and I respect it, but I'm kinda surprised that Zorah wasn't the middle name. You could've even gave her 2 middle names if you wanted to keep Rose.

But at least she is healthy. From what I can gather, that's what most parents really want.
 

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I guess if you refer to her as Tali the whole time, and only use "Tali'Zorah' as her full name (Like Catherine, Joseph and Christopher), I suppose it won't raise too many eyebrows. If she has a problem with her name when she learns its origin, though, I'd be ready to work something out with her?maybe call her 'Rose', maybe even change her name legally if she wants. Of course, that's the key thing: what she wants. Her name is hers, and, a few years down the line, she likes it or she doesn't.

But if she DOES stick with it, you had BETTER get her into the habit of using terms like "Keelah" or "Boshtet."
 

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SourMilk said:
Risingblade said:
God that's gonna be awkward in school
What about getting a job? If kids in schools weren't enough, employers are the real bullies in this as they tend to discriminate on all grounds.
I wouldn't say so, when she starts school I highly doubt that many children are going to know what Tali'Zorah relates to, and in 20 years when she gets a job I highly doubt that anyone who was around when Mass Effect came out will remember that Tali'Zorah was even a character in anything. If the child was in school or in the world of work today then I would imagine that it would be somewhat of an issue, however I cant see it being a problem a few years down the line.
 

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Laggyteabag said:
SourMilk said:
Risingblade said:
God that's gonna be awkward in school
What about getting a job? If kids in schools weren't enough, employers are the real bullies in this as they tend to discriminate on all grounds.
I wouldn't say so, when she starts school I highly doubt that many children are going to know what Tali'Zorah relates too, and in 20 years when she gets a job I highly doubt that anyone who was around when Mass Effect came out will remember that Tali'Zorah was even a character in anything. If the child was in school or in the world of work today then I would imagine that it would be somewhat of an issue, however I cant see it being a problem a few years down the line.
With work, the problem isn't so much people recognizing it as being from Mass Effect, it's that people tend to give favor to more recognizable names and avoid weirder sounding or foreign names. It's part of the reason so many Asian families in the U.S. name their children typically Westernized names, there have been statistical studies showing that in cases where all other factors are near equal, a person hiring an employee will heavily favor someone with a more normalized or recognizable name. In cases of putting people on the public stage, then yes, the name being recognizable as being from a copyrighted work would likely also cause problems, politics and business do not like that kind of thing on their public face, so if she wants to run for government office or work in public relations, there's a much more likely chance of her name holding her back compared to something like the engineering field where a name isn't as important.
 

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keiji_Maeda said:
I don't know if some of the people actually involved in this discussion are aware of the fact. But Tali is actually a Hebrew name, i have a friend named it, and as a matter of fact, a hells kitchen (or summat) participant was named it a few years ago. google it, if you doubt the veracity or intent of my claim. I'm fine with if you don't believe it. But it is a name.
afaik nobody has said anything about Tali, more the 'Zorah part. Tali is a pretty nice name, and is really likely to be what she's called, by everybody, ever...

personally i have the same issue, i like the name Tali, but for me at least, Tali'Zorah takes it that step too far and crosses the line into what i would call 'silly names'. but regardless, it's clear the man loves his child, and that is by far the most important thing here
 

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I've loved the name since I first heard it as well. Best of luck to you man, you seem to have the makings of a great dad.

I wish I'd have a kid someday too, but I dont like the world nearly enough to defend bringing someone into it. Enjoy your time, its already dripping away.
 

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DrunkOnEstus said:
She has so far been referred to as "Tali", "T", "Tals", "Zorah", "Z", and "Rose" (her middle name) by various people in our lives. To end my side of the name discussion, I personally love "Tali'Zorah" more each time I see it. It's been written on a lot of things, and I feel stronger about the decision and love the name more and more as it becomes a part of our daily vernacular.
So her name will be Rose. As soon as she's old enough to understand that everybody looks at her funny when she says "Tali'Zorah" - she will stick with Rose.


Btw. "Mr. T" is not the best nickname for a girl.



"Tali'Zorah... is that russian?"
"No, it's an alien my parents had sex with"
"WHA-"
"from a video game"
"still - WHAT?!"
"They liked the character... I don't know"
"oh... ok... soooo- why haven't you changed it yet?"

...
 

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I was initially uneasy about this...but the more I've thought about it? The hell with it. It's a beautiful name.

We need more unique names. Less Johns and Susans, please.

The little one is adorable, sir. All the best of luck to ya.
 

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Laggyteabag said:
I wouldn't say so, when she starts school I highly doubt that many children are going to know what Tali'Zorah relates to, and in 20 years when she gets a job I highly doubt that anyone who was around when Mass Effect came out will remember that Tali'Zorah was even a character in anything. If the child was in school or in the world of work today then I would imagine that it would be somewhat of an issue, however I cant see it being a problem a few years down the line.
I think it's less about the specific reference and more a general worry about general name-based discrimination - there have been a fair number of studies that show differences in hiring (or in unfair marking in school) based on having a foreign or obviously invented name, and I think that's more what people are concerned about.

That said, I regularly Anglicize my name to avoid the ethnic assumptions, and a coworker of mine who I've always know by a pair of initials recently admitted that her real was some absurd invented hippie name, so I hardly think a distinct name is the end of the world since there are ways around it, but you really can't deny that there are some issues associated with it at the same time.
 

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I've given my views on prior topics so I don't need to behave impetuously on here by restating it.

So I will just come into here to do what I came to do.

"DAWWWWWWW. She's a little muffin I could just eat up. You take care of that precious little babe."
 
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Wonder how many of the people attacking the OP for the name choice realize that it's quite presumptuous of them to act like they know how Tali will react in a few years. Who knows? She might like the name enough to ignore anyone who insults her over it. Criticizing him for not thinking of her when he named her, while acting like you know EXACTLY what her personality will be like in 5 or 10 years, is a bit much.

*ahem* After I got that off my chest, I just wanted to wish the OP good luck. I'm not great with kids, so I'm glad it's you and not me. :p
keiji_Maeda said:
Gawrsh, this? Really?

I came in here ready to fairly critical of the name choice. But on these puny vindictive grounds?

never.

I don't know if some of the people actually involved in this discussion are aware of the fact. But Tali is actually a Hebrew name, i have a friend named it, and as a matter of fact, a hells kitchen (or summat) participant was named it a few years ago. google it, if you doubt the veracity or intent of my claim. I'm fine with if you don't believe it. But it is a name.
I know you probably don't really care, but the Tali you were thinking of was on Masterchef US, season 3. Just saying.

On a different note, wonder how much teasing THAT Tali went through, since Tali is traditionally a female name, and he was very much not a female. Just thought I'd attach a photo (or GIF, in this case), just to show that Tali is, in fact, a real name.

 

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thebobmaster said:
Wonder how many of the people attacking the OP for the name choice realize that it's quite presumptuous of them to act like they know how Tali will react in a few years. Who knows? She might like the name enough to ignore anyone who insults her over it. Criticizing him for not thinking of her when he named her, while acting like you know EXACTLY what her personality will be like in 5 or 10 years, is a bit much.
That is the point. Let's say you would have to name somebody you don't know... like the new guy in the office. Would you name him Chuck'Norris? In the off chance that he will love to hear Chuck Norris jokes all day? No... you would give him a normal name - so he will not punch you in the head.

It's the same situation here. But they thought their daughter is a special little snowflake. So they gave her a special name to fit her special and unique personality - that they don't know of yet.
 
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testiou said:
thebobmaster said:
Wonder how many of the people attacking the OP for the name choice realize that it's quite presumptuous of them to act like they know how Tali will react in a few years. Who knows? She might like the name enough to ignore anyone who insults her over it. Criticizing him for not thinking of her when he named her, while acting like you know EXACTLY what her personality will be like in 5 or 10 years, is a bit much.
That is the point. Let's say you would have to name somebody you don't know... like the new guy in the office. Would you name him Chuck'Norris? In the off chance that he will love to hear Chuck Norris jokes all day? No... you would give him a normal name - so he will not punch you in the head.

It's the same situation here. But they thought their daughter is a special little snowflake. So they gave her a special name to fit her special and unique personality - that they don't know of yet.
Except, as he stated several times in the initial thread, and has been pointed out on this thread, the name had nothing to do directly with liking the character or Mass Effect, but was picked by his wife because she liked the sound of the name. It's not because "she's a special little snowflake". They just liked the name. Hell, at least they didn't decide to use their daughter to make a joke, like Bill Lear (of Lear Jets), who named his daughter Chanda.

To me, that is being selfish and uncaring. Picking a non-traditional name because you like the sound of it? What's wrong with that? Oh, yeah, the apostrophe.