Now you know how I feel if this happens to the DC movies.Silentpony said:
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"A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."Buizel91 said:
That's my take on the airport scene. It's also my take on pretty much all the comic book movies I've seen this year, ranging from the dismal (Batman v Superman) to the obnoxious (Deadpool), to the passable (Suicide Squad, Civil War).
What baffles me is that it's the scene that keeps being brought up, when the final fight between Tony and Steve is far more emotionally poignent, whereas in comparison, the airport scene is analogous to a kid getting out his action figures and having them fight for reasons of "it's kewl!"
Personally, I find the average quality of (non-comic) movies these days to be pretty good. Transformers continues to bring in the cash, but it's not the only lacklustre movie franchise to do so. Heck, the MCU is still in business, and while the average MCU film is way, WAY better than the average Bayformers entry, despite giving it more chances than I care for, I've rarely been impressed. Transformers is an easy sell because you know exactly what you're getting when you go into it.Czann said:
The airport scene is the origin of comics in film form. Ya know, when comics were nothing more than Superman and Batman going "POW" "BAM" "BIFF"!Hawki said:
Yeah yeah, the final fight was emotional, but it didnt have over 10 Comic characters going at it non-stop. Plus anyone can potentially enjoy the Airport scene, even if you dont care specifically about the characters. The final fight requires you caring about Captain America and Iron Man. Praising one scene doesnt deny the value of the other. Comic book movies are at their core action movies anyways.
Responding to your "It can't get much worse"Fox12 said:
Spiderman went from this:
To this:
And DON'T bring up Spiderman in Civil War it was a complete glorifyed cameo that one, wait till Marvel actually makes and release his own movie.
"But Marvel never made a bad movie" Well they have a lot to live up to make their Spiderman topple the first Raimi Spiderman film. And I just know they are gonna forget the "with great power comes responsibility" aspect of Spiderman and just make Spiderman the Flash/Deadpool of the Avengers with funny light hearted adventures. A Guardians of the Galaxy clone.
I loved the original as it basically followed the Shredder storyline from the Eastman and Laird comics. Granted it cut a LOT of the first arc like switching April's meeting with the turtles, cutting a huge piece where Splinter is thought dead a lot of adventure, mashing up Shredder and the Foot's first appearance and the burning of April's home/Antique store.
Still love that Eastman and Laird also managed to pay homage to Daredevil by making his origin story partly responsible for the turtle's creation.
Still love that Eastman and Laird also managed to pay homage to Daredevil by making his origin story partly responsible for the turtle's creation.
Y'know, at this point I expect them to start rebooting franchises IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MOVIE.Silentpony said:
-The ability to appreciate action bereft of plot isn't really an endorsement. Usually action bereft of emotional investment is a point of contention.Saelune said:
-"Comic book movies are at their core action movies anyway." Except, y'know, every film based on a comic book that isn't centered around action (Peanuts, Garfield, When the Wind Blows, etc.)
I guess its good I said comic book and not comic strip, and that Superman predates all of those anyways, by decades.Hawki said:
And is it so wrong to just enjoy an awesome action scene? Seriously, if I could show that scene to little kid me, their head would explode. Not like MCU doesnt have deeper plot anyways. (Though Netflix does it more than the movies, but still)
We really diving into semantics? One gets published on a weekly basis, the other on a monthly? Both are compiled into comic books at the end of the day.Saelune said:
Even then, When the Wind Blows was never a strip.
And Little Nemo/Ginger Meggs, which also received film adaptations, which aren't centered around action, pre-date Superman by decades. What's your point?Saelune said:
No.Saelune said:
Then dont bring up Comic Strips like Garfield as a counter to why Batman and The Avengers might be action films. Comic books, superhero comic books are action oriented. So we get action oriented movies. If you are going to call me out on semantics, dont be surprised if I retaliate with the same.Hawki said:
You brought up semantics by trying to claim a distinction that barely exists. I give examples of comics that aren't based around action, you claim that by claiming that they're "comic strips, not comic books," which, as I've pointed out, is an academic distinction.Saelune said:
What ISN'T an academic distinction is the distinction between Comic books and superhero comic books. The latter is an example of the former, the former isn't necessarily synonymous with the latter, hence why yes, you can get comic book films that don't revolve around action.
Im in too many more severe arguments that have gotten out of hand to literally be arguing about semantics when the topic was Super Hero Action movies.Hawki said:
If you dont like MCU, then dont. Me? Im having a blast, and I dont see why everyone else has to rain on that parade.
Not sure how I was raining on the parade, since this began with me asking why the airport scene overshadows the final fight scene, when I stated that Civil War was passable (as opposed to movies I ranked beneath it), and when I made it explicitly clear that the MCU is leagues ahead of Bay's Transformers franchise in my eyes, despite my gripes, but okay then. 0_0Saelune said:
The DC films could benefit from a reboot because it's all been crap.Samtemdo8 said:Now you know how I feel if this happens to the DC movies.Silentpony said:
Not another reboot Origin movie
Could I just say that the entire setup to, and even the fight at, the airport in Civil War just felt forced the whole way through? For me, what they advertised as the biggest selling point for the film was actually the weakest part of it.
Also, when you really think about it, sequels, prequels, reboots, adaptations, etc. are actually a riskier investments to make than an original property. So, expect to see this trend die down in the next few years.
You guys do know that there are other films out there, right?Samtemdo8 said:Now you know how I feel if this happens to the DC movies.Silentpony said:
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Also, when you really think about it, sequels, prequels, reboots, adaptations, etc. are actually a riskier investments to make than an original property. So, expect to see this trend die down in the next few years.
Um, how? All of those things have the benefit of a pre-established audience. A new IP is uncharted territory. Besides, reboots, adaptations, sequels, etc., they've never gone out of style. They've always been there, more so now, perhaps, but I don't see this trend ending.Transdude1996 said: