Teens Sedate Parents For Net Access

[Baldry]

Considering the fact the parent called the police instead of being a responsible parent and discipling the children good on the kids. The parent sounds kinda shitty from the way they've acted.

Really? Not in my book. They wanted proof before they punished their children, and the police had the testing kit they needed for that proof. The parents just did not want to punish unfairly. Also, the teens should have spent time in jail.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Drug-Testing-Kits-Methadone-Cannabis/dp/B0026RQ6Z8/ref=pd_sim_d_3
There you go, a drug testing kit. It'll check for benzodiazepine, a key ingredient in things that make you go night night. It's not that hard. Overreacting's just gonna cause the kid to resent their parent and authority and cause them to act out again. Also since the police didn't punish them the kids are gonna feel like they can do more serious things and get away with it.

And how long to delivery? Long enough for it to be out of their systems, maybe, depends on which one they go with and all else. Or, it is easier to go to the local PD and get a kit there.

That is like complaining about a rape victim going to police to get a rape kit done instead of ordering one on Amazon.

Also, read the linked article. The girls were arrested, but because they were minors, no details were released. Which is not overreacting, the parent could have died from OD. Another thing missed by the Escapist, was that the parents only drank a quarter of the milkshake. Had they finished them, then this head-line would be "Teens Murder Parents for Net Access". And yes, even if it was an accident, they were breaking the law. Any death caused by a criminal (note criminal, not misdemeanor) act, directly or indirectly, is considered murder. Though they might have gotten Manslaughter.

You can probably go to your local chemist and get one, I apologise for not searching for every single place you can get a drug test.

No. Rape's a bit more serious then a couple of kids knocking out their guardian so they can go on the internet.

Kids break the law. I'm not saying that's wrong, I'm saying it's up to the parent to enforce those laws. It's up to the parent to teach the kids that going around drugging people isn't the proper way to do things. All the parent has done by going to the police is re-enforced the fact that they're a shit parent who can't handle the responsibility given to them. If they were a half-way decent parent they would trust their kid not to go on dodgy sites and to have talked to them in the first place. All this parent's doing is shifting the responsibility, they let the internet security take responsibility for what the kid does on the internet and they're letting the police take responsibility for the discipling of the kids.

Last word I have is this. We only see one small snapshot into this family. We do not know really what preceded this incident. What if, I hate the what ifs but, this was not a first time issue. I do not mean with this particular crime, but other things. Every time the parents do the discipline, the teens go "NO, freedom" and rebel, even when the rules are reasonable (like no texting and driving, be home by 9, ect).

If this was a teen boy, drugging a woman, would you only want him charged with rape? I would say no, drugging is incredibly dangerous. For me that is what this comes down to.

EDIT: In the US, a drug testing kit at the Pharmacy costs $20 (US). Police charge only at cost, no profit.

It's a combination of discipline and teaching the kid right from wrong and how to be a well adjusted human being. The fact that the kid thinks it's acceptable to drug their parent speaks volumes.

No one was raped...I don't see...How this changes anything? Just because the child's now a male shouldn't change a damn thing.

I didn't know there was a price on being a good parent...

 

[Lunar Templar]

from what I'm understanding of the story the blames lay with the parents s well as the teens. First of all, 10 PM cut off, at 15 is to restrictive, so it wouldn't surprise me to learn of other violations of this ill suited rule. kids grow up, and treat a 15 year old like a 12 year old is going to cause problems in short order.

OK this isn't addressed just to you, but kinda everyone who is saying this: can you explain what is so wrong with 10PM cut off for internet? I wasn't allowed up past 9PM until I was 17, at 15 I was rejoicing that the "only 2 hours of computer a day" rule was being loosened, and I certainly never felt the need to drug anyone.

A 10PM cut off on anything is stupid and shows a massive, although apparently warranted, lack of trust.

Granted, this is coming from some one who never had any 'cut off' time of any kind past like, 10 (I think). I could have gotten into WAY more trouble then I did, and as a result, me and my parents never had any real problems.

That said though, they both are big on the 'giving you enough rope to hang your self with', so if they did get a call from the cops about me they'd have let my ass sit in juvie just to prove a point.

 

[Sansha]

Their arrest and whatever consequences they're facing will be a good lesson that they can't get away with shit like this. It's stupid and exploitative at best, dangerous at worst, and they can't have the idea that this is a viable solution to when a person is being a problem.

And to address curfew arguments, my sister and I never had bedtimes. Home by midnight, sure, but stay up as late as you want. We both learned quickly that school on no sleep is agony.

 

[tkioz]

Am I the only one who originally thought the parents would find out through a Facebook status update saying, "Drugged my parents, no internet curfew tonight!! YOLO lol!!" or something of the sort?

No, that's pretty much what popped into my head too.

 

[Arakasi]

So no word on what they were doing on the internet during all of this? Cause that information could easily lead to something more serious or way more lulzy.

I would bet a fair amount of money that Facebook was involved.

See people, it's not videogames that make people evil, it is Facebook.

 

[Beautiful End]

Kids nowadays surprise me.

I mean, was I a prude when I was a kid and no one told me about it? Or was I just normal and kids nowadays are just crazy?
Even if my parents were dicks who allowed me to use the internet for 5 minutes per day, I would have never thought about drugging them so I could use the computer. Here's a lit of what I would have done instead:

-Gone to the library claiming it was homework
-Gone to a friend's house
-Work out a way to extend my allowed time (Maybe pay part of the bill?
-Offer good grades in return
-Found a new hobby

Besides, I would have thought ahead too. I'd know my parents would eventually wake up after passing out randomly for hours. Then they might suspect me. Then what? I do it again? Was it worth it?
At any rate, I would have never done that. I'm not a dick. Or crazy.

 

[thesilentman]

What.

They got pissed off 'cause they weren't able to access the Internet after 10 PM? That's really fucking petty. I really don't want to see what happens when they throw a temper tantrum.

I guess now the girls made their point of how MATURE they are and how SAFE it is to let them roam around the internet.

Look at it the other way: Their parents treated them like small children, and it made them act like small children, what a surprise...

You think that an acceptable response to a curfew (And 10PM is very generous) is to drug the authority figure so you have free reign?

10 PM is certainly generous. I handle a couple of development projects along with school work, and by 10 PM, I'm usually playing Planetside or something else on Steam most of the time.

High school here in the States ends around 4 PM, giving a maximum of 6 hours for Internet time. That's way more than enough for a high school student that is not developing software. As a developer, I'm pretty much forced to stick to the Internet as books aren't as helpful in programming than people are lead to believe. I still finish my programming fill before 10 PM, and that's factoring in half an hour to eat.

I honestly cannot fathom why drug your parents for Internet. What happened to politely asking and honesty and all the things that were hammered into us during elementary school?

They should face jail time regardless. Drugging someone standing between you and something you want because you can't just wait until the morning is not the mark of a well adjusted individual.

I guess now the girls made their point of how MATURE they are and how SAFE it is to let them roam around the internet.

Look at it the other way: Their parents treated them like small children, and it made them act like small children, what a surprise...

You think that an acceptable response to a curfew (And 10PM is very generous) is to drug the authority figure so you have free reign?

No, it's not an acceptable response. But they shouldn't face jail time. They're minors. A conviction won't teach them anything. It'll only ruin their lives. A criminal record typically makes it nearly impossible to get a job and restricts a few of your rights. I really don't understand people who think it's okay to treat minors with the same harshness as adults in the legal system, and I have nothing but contempt for the "tough on crime" attitude. I don't even care if they murdered someone. They're minors. Do you know what "minors" means? It means "stupid". Their brains are physically incapable of comprehending the severity of their actions because they're not fully developed yet. Yes the drugs were a disproportionate response, but jail time is a disproportionate response to that. Are the parents dead? Is there any permanent damage? No? Then just ground the girls for months and months. They may be teenagers but they're still human, they'll feel guilty about this. And when they're older, they'll feel really guilty about this.

And I firmly believe that no good parent ever calls the police on their own child, unless the child is seriously a threat to them. I don't care if your child is a contract killer. If it's your own flesh and blood, you love her unconditionally unless she ever tries to kill you personally. Okay yes, sleeping pills, kind of a really scary sign. But hardly life-threatening.

Sleeping pills aren't life threatening? Are you kidding me? My mom's a doctor, and the number one thing she warns against is overdose. Overdosing on anything is going to have serious consequences on your body.

It's hard for parents to see their kids in jail. I've seen people who's entire lives were ruined by doing a simple act like that. I'm against these kids because they considered doing this to their parents. Nothing justifies losing a life, and this is no exception.

I say get those girls in juvenile detention. It's harsh, but that's the way the world works. It's unfortunate, but true; very, very true

 

[Hagi]

Because the only measures the police ever takes are locking people up and then only for months at a time along with criminal records and everything else.

Well, the kids were arrested were they not? And no mention of immediate release. Says so right there in the article.

This was a serious thing they did. There need to be serious consequences. The police is there to help, that's their job.

That's why I wondered where 'cover for failing conservative parents who still use curfews at age 15' came into the police's job description.

It's the parents who caused this to happen. It's mainly up to them to express it's an serious and intolerable event, and most of all: Change themselves so their child doesn't resent them and their rules to a degree where drugging the folks looks acceptable.

I've grown up around plenty conservatives who thought more rules and more opression was the answer to child raising, and those were the kids who did the craziest things. Talked to a girl once, totally unknown to me, and within five minutes I knew more about her than her father did. Parenting fail much? The cause, he believed that his rules, like no sex before marriage, no internet acces, limited television acces and no boyfriends, were so totally justified that any discussion about them was out of the question. So she did crazy stuff. People who didn't have parents with that many rules behaved themselves a lot better.

In this case, responding with just more reppression in the form of the bloody police getting involved, and severely betraying the trust their daughter has in them by abandoning her in a prison cell, in only going to make things worse. It's conservative 1950's parenting vs modern responsible parenting at it's finest.

You do realize that both parents could have died, that sedatives given like that can kill? And no internet after 10pm is oppression now? And if an Escapist article doesn't mention they've been released then surely they must not have been?

Do you have children? Have you ever taken care of children?

I doubt it. Your entire post reeks of teenage arrogance that he knows exactly how the world works and could fix everything if done his way.

But by all means, keep on rambling about how much better you know everything and you've proven yourself a better father because you talked to a girl once and thought you knew more about her than her father.

 

[srm79]

10:00 curfew isn't generous, nor is it strict. It's exactly what it should be for teenagers still in school. I had to be up around 6AM to catch a bus and ride its whole route, over an hour total, every morning before school. If I had been up past 10 the previous night, I'd be sleeping the whole day. Restricting internet access is just another way to tell kids "Time to put away the toys and go to bed". That's what the internet is for a teenager - a toy. While drugging the parents is kinda extreme, getting the police involved is even worse. No permanent harm was done to the parents but permanent harm can be done to the children if they end up with a record due to this incident. It will not matter when this happened, if it's on their record it will make them effectively unemployable and yet another strain on society in a country full of people who are stuck in a vicious circle of crime and poverty.

Or, the brush with the law might just scare 'em into thinking twice before doing anything so retarded again. When I was about 11 I thought it would be a laugh to make a hoax 999 call. The ensuing shit storm and severe talking-to by a great big ape of a police officer stuck with me though. It taught me lesson and I've not been in trouble since.

And at 15-16, you should really be aware of the difference between right and wrong and be prepared to accept the consequences of your actions. Don't want a record? Don't drug your fucking parents. It's not rocket science.

 

[gyroscopeboy]

They should face jail time regardless. Drugging someone standing between you and something you want because you can't just wait until the morning is not the mark of a well adjusted individual.

I guess now the girls made their point of how MATURE they are and how SAFE it is to let them roam around the internet.

Look at it the other way: Their parents treated them like small children, and it made them act like small children, what a surprise...

You think that an acceptable response to a curfew (And 10PM is very generous) is to drug the authority figure so you have free reign?

It is if you're wanting to cyber with creeps on Omegle...they don't get super-predatory til after 10pm

 

[IamLEAM1983]

Yeeeaaah. 10 PM for a 16 year-old is excessive. Lights out for school days for me was about 11 and about 2 AM for weekends, usually Friday nights and Sundays.

 

[Anti-American Eagle]

So teenagers roofied there parents so they could use the internet... I don't even, what?
I'm starting to wonder if internet addiction is real.

 

[IamQ]

I guess now the girls made their point of how MATURE they are and how SAFE it is to let them roam around the internet.

Look at it the other way: Their parents treated them like small children, and it made them act like small children, what a surprise...

They drugged their parents. You don't think that's a bit overboard? I like the internet as much as the next guy, but come on. Are their lives really so boring that they have to do this to get to the internet? There are other things to do you know.

Kids nowadays surprise me.

Yeah, I don't think this is a generation thing. I'm pretty sure that things like these (and worse scenarios) has happened before in history.

 

[Lugbzurg]

I guess now the girls made their point of how MATURE they are and how SAFE it is to let them roam around the internet.

Look at it the other way: Their parents treated them like small children, and it made them act like small children, what a surprise...

That isn't acceptable. The kids should be in Juvie for at least a few months. This shouldn't be acceptable at any age (unless you are 8 years old, have no idea what pills are and were pretending to be an "alchemist"). At 15/16, you should know full well what you are doing.

I got it! They wanted to make a Philosopher's Stone! That's why the parents went to the extreme of calling the cops!

 

[Zeldias]

lol at folks saying "Arrest is just gonna make them resent the parents more!" They fucking plotted to drug them for something as petty as time on the internet. I think the resentment is already there and there's a hell of a lot of it.

Do the folks saying stuff like this not have kids or have a hand in raising them or something like that? I would normally agree that you don't call the cops on your kids and stuff, but shit man, if they're willing to drug you, seems to me they're already well past any reasonable limits. I'm not really willing to say this is a fault in parenting; some people are just bad people. Evidently those teenagers are those folks.

I mean, consider your own parents: would you enact a plot to drug them to unconsciousness to sit on the computer nattering away on Facebook or something? This isn't some shit like they broke a window and the parents made vandalism charges. It's scary shit to understand that you're living with a person who is willing to poison your food just to play Farmville. That's beyond your reasonable parenting issue.

 

[Lt._nefarious]

Man that is some messed up shit... Teenagers are so pathetic these days.

I resent that! I am 16 and... Well, it's true... But you don't have to be a dick about it... (sorry, please don't hate me. All in good spirits and all!)

OT: That's ridiculous.. I mean, seriously, how does that? I wonder what they'll do if they don't get the new smart phone. Pump their parents full of narcotics, file a suit and go live with someone else?