Tera vs. Guild Wars 2
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The young girls outrage bandwagon has been ridden to hell and back already, get over it.
It's in my opinion a hell of a lot less bad than people getting off on their WoW character dancing. Yes they are mildly creepy some of the time, no they don't do anything in game to actually back up your assertions of paedophilia, it's just a carry over from a Korean game having different cultural values, it's not there to screw your kid sister and fuel your nerdrage.
Get over it and actually look at the rest of the game because it's not something you will even bother to see after 10 minutes of actually playing.
It's in my opinion a hell of a lot less bad than people getting off on their WoW character dancing. Yes they are mildly creepy some of the time, no they don't do anything in game to actually back up your assertions of paedophilia, it's just a carry over from a Korean game having different cultural values, it's not there to screw your kid sister and fuel your nerdrage.
Get over it and actually look at the rest of the game because it's not something you will even bother to see after 10 minutes of actually playing.
Wow, I can't believe how people hijacked this thread to talk about little girls running around in bikinis.
I've played both Tera and GW2 (beta weekend) and their combat is kind of the same. Almost. Only Tera has the very same mechanics as "all the other" MMO's where you get your 50 skills and all you have to worry about is which number to press first, second, third etc.
But of course, they have their "combo" which gives it a new touch, even though you could just press that skill (or any other) anyway - you don't get any bonus damage, cooldown or whatnot for using the "combo". Just an easier way to macro without actually using macros.
Guild Wars 2, on the other hand, has a personal story that differs from race and profession, it's better active combat (in my opinion) and it's way to get people to play together, not against each other like people most likely are used to.
GW2's cross-profession combos are pretty cool (although not awesome) where you could put up a field of fire and I'd shoot my regular arrows through it, making my arrows ignite and *poof*, I've got fire arrows also damaging the enemy over time, on top of their regular damage.
There are lots and lots of other combos you can make, but you'll have to look that up yourself if you're interested.
For me, Tera is just like all the other MMO's, but with better combat and a political system that seems like a fun idea.
Guild Wars 2 has done a good enough overhaul of most game mechanics of the regular MMO and made them better in a way that makes it feel new and fresh. Also, there is way less grinding, the dynamic group events (much like Rift, only better thought out and great) and the way the game doesn't get you to hate all people outside your party is just great.
Both games are great, but in my opinion, Guild Wars 2 seems to be the better game. Although it's not out yet, so you could always play Tera now and go for GW2 whenever it gets released.
Oh, and knowing ArenaNet the updates won't be few, they will be plenty and often, and mostly based on their community.
I've played both Tera and GW2 (beta weekend) and their combat is kind of the same. Almost. Only Tera has the very same mechanics as "all the other" MMO's where you get your 50 skills and all you have to worry about is which number to press first, second, third etc.
But of course, they have their "combo" which gives it a new touch, even though you could just press that skill (or any other) anyway - you don't get any bonus damage, cooldown or whatnot for using the "combo". Just an easier way to macro without actually using macros.
Guild Wars 2, on the other hand, has a personal story that differs from race and profession, it's better active combat (in my opinion) and it's way to get people to play together, not against each other like people most likely are used to.
GW2's cross-profession combos are pretty cool (although not awesome) where you could put up a field of fire and I'd shoot my regular arrows through it, making my arrows ignite and *poof*, I've got fire arrows also damaging the enemy over time, on top of their regular damage.
There are lots and lots of other combos you can make, but you'll have to look that up yourself if you're interested.
For me, Tera is just like all the other MMO's, but with better combat and a political system that seems like a fun idea.
Guild Wars 2 has done a good enough overhaul of most game mechanics of the regular MMO and made them better in a way that makes it feel new and fresh. Also, there is way less grinding, the dynamic group events (much like Rift, only better thought out and great) and the way the game doesn't get you to hate all people outside your party is just great.
Both games are great, but in my opinion, Guild Wars 2 seems to be the better game. Although it's not out yet, so you could always play Tera now and go for GW2 whenever it gets released.
Oh, and knowing ArenaNet the updates won't be few, they will be plenty and often, and mostly based on their community.
I haven't tried it myself, but I'm sure it will be possible if it isn't already. It would also be much easier since Tera has 50 different skills to keep track off with your "not 50 buttons" controller. Guild Wars 2 has 9 active skills at a time (although there are a lot more than those to choose from, you can only bring 9, well 14 if you quick-change your equipment, but still only 9 buttons).GoaThief said:
As long as you could assign the keys, then yeah, I bet GW2 would be playable with a pad, or many-buttoned mouse. There's a limited suite of skills that need to be assigned.GoaThief said:
Tera not so much, it has the same ability scope as games like WoW and Rift.
Actually, TERA lets you play with a gamepad no problem. Every class has only a core set of skills that are used, so it's really not that big a deal. It doesn't have the hard limits GW does, but you have a set of 4-6 "core" abilities, depending on class, and the rest are highly situational. You can easily play TERA with a gamepad if you want to, especially since the developers included support for PS3 and Xbox360 controllers out of the box.BloatedGuppy said:
That said, I haven't tried it myself, so I can't speak to how effective it is in comparison.
I'll take your word for it, but what happens when you need to use those one-shot utility skills? Do you need to go to the keyboard for those?Agayek said:
@Walter Byers Just to clear up some confusion, you see shorts on some of the pictures instead of bikinis due to western market censorship. The bikinis are the original character design, implemented in Korea, but the western market, being more conservative, opted for shorts instead.
My opinion on the matter (I know, you asked): The "loli" race is supposed to be a very non-sexual race, who are more like nature spirits (from what I hear). However, the reason why they make us uncomfortable with their appearance isn't just from the scantily clad outfits. In all aspects they appear to be child-like, except for one thing: hips. They've got the hips and thighs of a developed woman, which generates conflicting images. On one hand they look like children, on the other they have something potentially arousing about them. The clothing doesn't help. It's quite easy to see why a lot of people find it disturbing.
As for my opinion on GW2 vs Tera: I'll be playing GW2. The races/clothing isn't influencing my decision. From what I've seen and heard, the combat in Tera is fantastic once you reach mid game. The starting zones and early levels are the worst part of the game, and I don't think I have the fortitude to grind through it.
More than that, it doesn't seem like Tera does things too different than any other MMO, aside from combat. GW2 has implemented more innovative mechanics, I think. The combat looks just as good as Tera's, if not better, so that's where I'll be taking my business.
Also, GW2 is free-to-play, and I will not go back to a subscription game.
Side note: Tera's avatars have some of the slickest dance moves I've seen in an MMO. Almost made me wanna buy it just for that
My opinion on the matter (I know, you asked): The "loli" race is supposed to be a very non-sexual race, who are more like nature spirits (from what I hear). However, the reason why they make us uncomfortable with their appearance isn't just from the scantily clad outfits. In all aspects they appear to be child-like, except for one thing: hips. They've got the hips and thighs of a developed woman, which generates conflicting images. On one hand they look like children, on the other they have something potentially arousing about them. The clothing doesn't help. It's quite easy to see why a lot of people find it disturbing.
As for my opinion on GW2 vs Tera: I'll be playing GW2. The races/clothing isn't influencing my decision. From what I've seen and heard, the combat in Tera is fantastic once you reach mid game. The starting zones and early levels are the worst part of the game, and I don't think I have the fortitude to grind through it.
More than that, it doesn't seem like Tera does things too different than any other MMO, aside from combat. GW2 has implemented more innovative mechanics, I think. The combat looks just as good as Tera's, if not better, so that's where I'll be taking my business.
Also, GW2 is free-to-play, and I will not go back to a subscription game.
Side note: Tera's avatars have some of the slickest dance moves I've seen in an MMO. Almost made me wanna buy it just for that
Here's what i found from the tera wiki.Devoneaux said:
"the Elin and the animal-like Popori are listed as one race. This is because the Popori is not a singular race so much as a nation of woodland familiars and spirits. The means by which they procreate and have offspring is not like other beings who are purely flesh. Interviews with the producers of TERA Online have stated that the males are like woodland spirits and the females (Elin) are akin to dryads and nymphs." -From the Tera Wiki
But OT: definitely going with GW2 then i can still play SW:TOR for all 8 stories(got 2 done and 3 on the way, one of each advanced class for spice
). and not have to pay monthly for GW2. Even though i have a hard time keeping up with two mmo's at once.
Tera is just a glorified bastard combination of Maplestory and Vindictus with an open world and mildly interesting combat with shit for quests and Korean grinding status. I didn't like it. Guild Wars 2 PvE was kind of meh, but I still found it more interesting. The lack of bunny-children that compel me to hate them and desire nothing but their painful, agonizing death is also a plus
As I said, I haven't tried it myself, so I'm not 100% sure on all the details, but I believe there's a mechanic in place for "modifiers" for buttons (like holding down RB will bring up an alternate skillbar) so that you can access more skills.BloatedGuppy said:
Edit: Also, there really aren't a whole lot of skills in TERA, to be perfectly honest. I have a level 48 berzerker at the moment, and including my one racial skill and my mount, I have a grand total of 14 skills that can be used in combat, all but 6 of which I practically never use. 16 if you count both types of potions.
It's not at all unreasonable to expect to be able to map all of those to a controller.
Plus the combo system they have means you can just set up a chain of attacks and hit the combo button over and over again and it will perform the attacks you want.
The problem with GW2 is that cos there is no endgame as such, its just scaling your stats down and doing the leveling content again, I suspect you have to play it extremely casually to avoid the dynamic events feeling samey. And once you're bored of dynamic events, that's it, your done with the game cos there are only 7 dungeons in the entire game. (Explorable mode does not count as a separate dungeon.)
It still has a lot more going for it than TERA though cos even in Rift the traditional questing style was very boring, and TERA quests are reportedly even more inane and dull that that. The rift them selves were fun for a bit and GW2 DEs are a much more advanced version.
The ability to use a controller in TERA did tempt me but some people are saying that a high levels it becomes no longer viable. Other people are saying that is bollocks but whatever.
The one thing I have found out from the GW2/TERA thing is no matter how much forum reading, Total Biscuit watching and research you do, you really really can't tell if you're gonna like it without playing it.
It still has a lot more going for it than TERA though cos even in Rift the traditional questing style was very boring, and TERA quests are reportedly even more inane and dull that that. The rift them selves were fun for a bit and GW2 DEs are a much more advanced version.
The ability to use a controller in TERA did tempt me but some people are saying that a high levels it becomes no longer viable. Other people are saying that is bollocks but whatever.
The one thing I have found out from the GW2/TERA thing is no matter how much forum reading, Total Biscuit watching and research you do, you really really can't tell if you're gonna like it without playing it.
Well I have been playing Tera and, other than my first two pieces of armor, my character is no longer scantily clad. Secondly I hardly think the Elins are being over sexualized to look like prepubescent girls, they were even censored for western release.
I am not even sure I know what a prepubescent teen even looks like, half the time they are 18 already and half the time they are only 10, guess I am just bad at the age guessing game.
Also it is not exactly easy to zoom in far enough to actually care what players are wearing. But overall I find the combat fun if not really hard to solo things sometimes.
I enjoy the kill quests, I could do without changing areas every 3 quests though.
I do dislike how everything in your inventory seems to get cluttered really fast and profession mats are pretty darn worthless so far, for me at least.
I also don't really like that to use your interface you have to stop moving or be auto running or it all disappears.
I will probably pick up guild wars 2, because it could be great. But guild wars 1 was so terrible when I played it, at least from my point of view at the time, that it is weighing against it.
I am not even sure I know what a prepubescent teen even looks like, half the time they are 18 already and half the time they are only 10, guess I am just bad at the age guessing game.
Also it is not exactly easy to zoom in far enough to actually care what players are wearing. But overall I find the combat fun if not really hard to solo things sometimes.
I enjoy the kill quests, I could do without changing areas every 3 quests though.
I do dislike how everything in your inventory seems to get cluttered really fast and profession mats are pretty darn worthless so far, for me at least.
I also don't really like that to use your interface you have to stop moving or be auto running or it all disappears.
I will probably pick up guild wars 2, because it could be great. But guild wars 1 was so terrible when I played it, at least from my point of view at the time, that it is weighing against it.
You're right, the dynamic events will probably get boring after a while, even though there are shitloads of them. Rift only had a few different appearing at random places throughout the world, GW2 has a LOT. But yeah, they will eventually get boring.Crazy Zaul said:
But there will be content updates of course.
I never actually got to play PvP in the first beta weekend, I focused on PvE and will mostly play PvP in the next one instead. Thought I'd give both a good chance instead of doing a little bit of both.
PvE was fun, felt good that it wasn't as much of a grind fest like other MMO's. Killing mobs doesn't give you as much experience as doing quests and story (way less actually) so it's basically not as much grinding as other games. Of course you get to kill a lot, you just don't have to grind between quests.
PvP sounds good as it's all about skill and not about how many times you've grinded the different dungeons and how lucky you've been with your loot. That's how competitive PvP should be - about skill, not about equipment.
Guild Wars 2 is nothing like Guild Wars 1, except for some lore and the world itself (although quite different). You should not judge GW2 for what GW1 was (or is). I didn't enjoy GW1 that much either, but loved the beta of GW2.obstructor said:
nether really
Tera will require a sub
and i've no interest in GW2
though from what i've heard on both sides, I'd probably play Tera. since some on described the combat as "Vindictus in an open world", which is 'do want' far as I'm concerned.
as far as the 'pedo bait' every one keep harping on about. it's funny how people seems to think its the only race, or that's all any one will roll. it makes me giggle from how ignorant it is
Tera will require a sub
and i've no interest in GW2
though from what i've heard on both sides, I'd probably play Tera. since some on described the combat as "Vindictus in an open world", which is 'do want' far as I'm concerned.
as far as the 'pedo bait' every one keep harping on about. it's funny how people seems to think its the only race, or that's all any one will roll. it makes me giggle from how ignorant it is
The biggest thing TERA has going for it is the combat. And I don't mean that in the "action combat!!!" sense that it seems a lot of people are talking about here.Crazy Zaul said:
Tera's combat is, quite literally, skill-based. You can solo anything in the game assuming you're good enough at the game (with some gear dependencies depending on your class). It's all just a matter of being able to continually block/avoid/dodge/etc enemy attacks long enough to do more damage than their health. If you're good at the game, you can solo group content, and that's not something I've ever seen before in an MMO.
Other than that, it's a very standard MMO though. The story is almost completely irrelevant, the quest progression is Korean through and through (get a quest to do something and head to the next quest hub, get there and get a quest to go right back to the hub you just finished with, etc), the quests themselves are all either escorts, kill X monsters, or find Y items, etc.
In my take though, all of that is okay though, because it's flat out fun to play. Especially soloing BAMs (the most common group content, stands for "Big Ass Monsters", think Elites in WoW) is incredibly fun, even if it does take upwards of 10 minutes.