The Big Picture: American Sniper Sucks (And It's Okay To Admit That)
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Heh. People who are blinded by their own opinions claiming that someone else is blinded by their own opinions?Verlander said:
The irony, it screams.
I don't blame Bob for kicking the anthill, largely because it's growing and spraying righteous indignation all over everything. "Nobody understands us except for these fine, outstanding people who give our lonely voice a clarion call in this dark and terrible age where we must stand strong and fight against those who see us as monsters", said every side of every argument ever when a piece of fiction came along to show a bit of empathy for their perspective.
Everyone has opinions. Some of those opinions are backed by factual examination ("This is an awful movie/game/book/TV show, and this is how it fails.") and some use the fact that an opposing opinion exists ("This is a wonderful movie/game/book/TV show because this figure of authority doesn't share my opinion and this figure of authority hates it.")
This has always been. This will always be. We are on a form of media that exists for the endless debate to carry on. I'm not saying embrace the flames but I am saying there's a reason we have fire extinguishers.
Oh you can have an opinion... it just doesn't matter... and yes... compared to the men and women who have died protecting that piece of paper that says you can say what ever you want, Yes! you've done nothing for it.Izanagi009 said:
What a fucking wonderful sentiment. One of the reason why societies who see the army as something other than a tool in the broader array of government institutions bother me is because when you enshrine something, you make respect to it mandatory, meaning it's going to devolve into a corrupted mess, and you make of its members a clergy whose undue respect makes them lose the sense of their actual mission. The military becomes less the defence of the nation and more a class that it outwardly respected but silently shunned because nobody deals with it as it is, rather as they wish it was. And that's how we get people like you.jacobbanks said:
Enjoy your freedom of speech. Hopefully your piece of paper and its force field prevents anyone from punching you in the mouth for anything you say that may be offensiveMicalas said:
Enjoy your freedom of speech. Hopefully your piece of paper and its force field prevents anyone from punching you in the mouth for anything you say that may be offensiveWestonbirt said:
I don't see how it could be turned into "Murica Fuck Yeah" sensibly considering, from what I gather, the movie is about how it changes people and often not for the better. He pushes his family away time and time again because he's become addicted to war and it tears him apart, only to end in him being killed back home in a shooting range by another man whose mind has been lost to war. That doesn't paint war in a pretty picture for me. That doesn't seem like something that people would strive to re-create for themselves, personally.Tanklover said:
I'll admit that MovieBob isn't the best in articulating his points correctly. That said, I'm pretty sure you can still enjoy the movie so long as after watching it you don't un-ironically go "FUCK YEAH AMERICA KILL THEM MUSLIMS THIS MOVIE IS AWESOME!!11!".Charcharo said:I honestly think it is both. That it is just a bad movie, nothing more and what you said.Sigmund Av Volsung said:
BTW, my father liked it. We arent American. He was in the military though. Then again he likes such movies
That would be a real problem since you're using your own enjoyment of the movie and your patriotism to cannonise it as some sort of symbol of the "war on terror".
I actually did... And oh no, you misunderstand. When it comes to things that are about the effects of coming back from war and the effects of war. Non war veterans and their opinion of said portrayals don't matter. I'm sure if we we're talking about fixing a car or preforming lab research you wouldn't care about the opinion of a non mechanic or non scientist.mjharper said:
Its so bizzare to me comments like this. I mean what does freedom of speech and being punched in the face have to do with one another? Or why does the poster seem to think that freedom of speech is an ineffectial passage of the bill of rights thats protects nothing? OR how does the poster believe that violence against a speaker proves that the speakers point is invalid?jacobbanks said:Enjoy your freedom of speech. Hopefully your piece of paper and its force field prevents anyone from punching you in the mouth for anything you say that may be offensiveMicalas said:
Very humble of you, Chipman. Veeeery humble stance you took on this issue, o Great and Mighty Emperor of Movie Critique. I shall look forward to your next "I'm right and anyone else is wrong" piece, I'm sure the peasants will be thrilled to hear your judgement.
While I'm also annoyed that Bob decided to rant about a movie he doesn't like that he recently reviewed. Well it just seems more like a rehashed rant he could've had about The Expendables.jacobbanks said:
I find myself more annoyed with your concept of earned. Freedom Of Speech is not something you earn. But it is something you have unless its taken away from you by someone threatening you.
I imagine (jokingly) in some alternate universe Bob posted a rant on how he hated a documentary on trees. And someone told him he didn't earn the right to breathe the air that was thanks to the trees.
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In either case there are people who would've still found the acting in those movies wooden.
You're free to do what ever you like, just not free from reprisal of your actions. The Bill of Rights is documented protection from said reprisal, but is only ensured by those willing to fight for others. And it doesn't you could speak nothing but the truth, but if someone doesn't like that true there is nothing that a piece of paper can do to protect you, its fighters who protect against those who aim to do harm to others.Scorpid said:Its so bizzare to me comments like this. I mean what does freedom of speech and being punched in the face have to do with one another? Or why does the poster seem to think that freedom of speech is an ineffectial passage of the bill of rights thats protects nothing? OR how does the poster believe that violence against a speaker proves that the speakers point is invalid?jacobbanks said:Enjoy your freedom of speech. Hopefully your piece of paper and its force field prevents anyone from punching you in the mouth for anything you say that may be offensiveMicalas said:
Well isn't that just making my point. Considering your previous record, this is quite an accurate contrast between our answers.jacobbanks said:Enjoy your freedom of speech. Hopefully your piece of paper and its force field prevents anyone from punching you in the mouth for anything you say that may be offensiveWestonbirt said: