The Big Picture: Combat Evolved?
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LOL! xD I noticed this the first time I played Halo: Combat Evolved. This looks like a fun show, If ya keep em coming I´ll be sure to watch them.
Try to look at the big picture. Yes, Noble team is "culturally diverse", but look at the Covenant. They're made up of mulitple species (not just races) that are just about as different from each other as humans are from slugs; maybe even more so because at least Humans and slugs have a common ancestor (I'd also like to point out that Grunts can't breath the same air as Elites). Yet you insist on lumping all aliens together as if totally original DNA is equivalent to just having a different skin color.Nautical Honors Society said:
Compared to the Covenent, Humans have no diversity whatsoever.
That's probably what Bungie also supposed people wanted from Halo. Problem is that when then someone who desperatly try to find something complex, intelligent or otherwise sophisticated about the game can end up finding stuff like what Movie-Bob found.Kahnmir said:
And what where Bungie thinking when naming the heroes after the biggest facist douches in european ancient history?
why am i going to watch this, i know i won't like it because i am a halo fan and movie bob is the opposite; CURSE YOU INSTINCT THAT FORCES ME TO LOOK EVEN THOUGH I DON'T WANT TO!
AFTER WATCHING IT:
huh. you...you compared it to fascism?
now, i know if i try to defend halo i'll become a "blind loud mouthed halo fanboy", a particularly notorious breed of fanboy in the eyes of others; but come on!
we're not revolting against the covenant, they cast the first stone and would not absorb us into their group because our existence threatened their religious views (i forget why), which was the foundation of their empire.
before i go off anymore, we aren't killing them 'cause their different, we're killing them 'cause they're killing us harder
also reach had the weakest plot of the series, even as a halo fan i can recognize RIDICULOUSLY OBVIOUS STEREOTYPES and BORING PLOT.
the books add on more to the plot than the games do, so i think i understand why some people just see it as a another boring mediocre homogenized first person shooter.
hope i wasn't obnoxious(i hate feeding stereotypes)
AFTER WATCHING IT:
huh. you...you compared it to fascism?
now, i know if i try to defend halo i'll become a "blind loud mouthed halo fanboy", a particularly notorious breed of fanboy in the eyes of others; but come on!
we're not revolting against the covenant, they cast the first stone and would not absorb us into their group because our existence threatened their religious views (i forget why), which was the foundation of their empire.
before i go off anymore, we aren't killing them 'cause their different, we're killing them 'cause they're killing us harder
also reach had the weakest plot of the series, even as a halo fan i can recognize RIDICULOUSLY OBVIOUS STEREOTYPES and BORING PLOT.
the books add on more to the plot than the games do, so i think i understand why some people just see it as a another boring mediocre homogenized first person shooter.
hope i wasn't obnoxious(i hate feeding stereotypes)
Moviebob seems to specialize in reading waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much into things that really shouldn't/can't be analyzed on such a close level.
It's an FPS, not a freakin' fascism simulator.
It's an FPS, not a freakin' fascism simulator.
I like looking deeply into things but You are reading the inside of a Spartan helmet. It's a game. Covenant is colorful not because of their racial diversity but because shooting the same thing over and over would become boring really fast (see Fear 1). In a game like this plot is entirely for the designers pleasure.
Another fine addition to the Escapist. I'd say "welcome, Bob," but he's kinda been here a while...
... yeah talk about looking for meaning in shallow places. Your falling into the critics realm of adding contextual meaning to a game that had none intended, whether the symbolic cock ups are there or not shoehorning it into social dynamics is plain ironic.
The multi culture of the enemies might just be to do with hmm lets see the fact aliens have no limiting factor of imagine or creativity. Where human are limit by the fact that they are human... so cant be as diverse.
So the reasons you see things that you are banging on about are creative not symbolic. there are lot of aliens so the player has more interest in them. they only need to create 1/2 Spartan models to keep the costs down. End of story on visual reasons.
Yes game designers need to be aware of what they are doing and add more depths. But seriously wtf. It's a shallow FPS game that has nothing to say. What's next post-feminist arguments in Serious Sam?
The multi culture of the enemies might just be to do with hmm lets see the fact aliens have no limiting factor of imagine or creativity. Where human are limit by the fact that they are human... so cant be as diverse.
So the reasons you see things that you are banging on about are creative not symbolic. there are lot of aliens so the player has more interest in them. they only need to create 1/2 Spartan models to keep the costs down. End of story on visual reasons.
Yes game designers need to be aware of what they are doing and add more depths. But seriously wtf. It's a shallow FPS game that has nothing to say. What's next post-feminist arguments in Serious Sam?
For a segment called "The Big Picture," it felt like it was focusing overly much on certain aspects just to prove a point (hoho, like that isn't going to get thrown back in Bob's face every segment). The human military in the Halo universe might not be as diverse as the Planeteers, but there is a racial mix and there doesn't appear to be any separation of rank based on race. Unlike the Covenant, which is highly segregated. Nevermind that military units generally don't value high degrees of individualism.
Just to quibble on another point, were the character's eyes blue before the whole spartanization thing? If not, I would hazard a guess it was because glowing brown wouldn't show up well, red would seem sinister, and green might seem a bit eerie.
I like watching Bob's movie reviews because, even if I have to sit through Bob's trolling antics to stretch out a segment, I at least get a good sense of if I want to watch the movie (regardless of whether Bob likes the movie or not). While Bob's trolling makes for amusing filler, an entire segment watching him drag some logical leap is just facepalm worthy and shallow.
Just to quibble on another point, were the character's eyes blue before the whole spartanization thing? If not, I would hazard a guess it was because glowing brown wouldn't show up well, red would seem sinister, and green might seem a bit eerie.
I like watching Bob's movie reviews because, even if I have to sit through Bob's trolling antics to stretch out a segment, I at least get a good sense of if I want to watch the movie (regardless of whether Bob likes the movie or not). While Bob's trolling makes for amusing filler, an entire segment watching him drag some logical leap is just facepalm worthy and shallow.
To be fair the Covenant is working towards the collective goal of mass genocide which is pretty much never okay. Plus the Elites do join the humans side so the games are not really against mixing races, still an interesting video though.
Wow I can't believe that not only are you airing a new show today but a new OverThinker came out as well(Finally)
Thank you Bob you have entertained me on this day, keep up the good work.
Thank you Bob you have entertained me on this day, keep up the good work.
Um... what the hell do you expect? Its HUMANS VS. ALIENS. With this line of reasoning you could call out every game from Half-life and Halo to even Space Invaders(Its you and your one white ship against the multicolored aliens! OMG!)...gigastrike said:
I might just be naive, but I'm more of the opinion that the Covenant is diverse just because it allows for many different kinds of enemies. It seems like a gameplay choice, nothing more. I mean, hell, the Combine are diverse in Half-life 2, but I hardly think that Valve was going for a 'human purity vs. alien multiculturalism' point. No offense to your bias, but it seems like you're deliberately looking for controversy in order to bad-mouth the game.
Moviebob, I noticed that you completely ignored the elements of secularism vs. theism, as well as the individual vs. the collective within Halo, any chance you could expand on those too?
Moviebob, I noticed that you completely ignored the elements of secularism vs. theism, as well as the individual vs. the collective within Halo, any chance you could expand on those too?
Well at least Halo doesn't have a female bounty hunter who is too stupid to turn her Varia Suit on because Adam didn't approve it.