The Big Picture: If the Oscars Were the VGAs

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If the Oscars Were the VGAs

An illustration of how VGAs are ruining our image.

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That was... Hilarious, interesting, and sad all at the same time :(. Here's to hoping that it will not happen in this lifetime.
 

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I think it's safe to assume that most people in the Escapist community do not watch, nor take the VGA's seriously at all. That said, I do think you're right that all this constant pandering to the FPS genre is hurting us as a fandom.
 

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The end was hilarious, but didn't other show on the Escapist adressed this issue. That show who got canceled about two guys and a chick who was on thursday for a year or something. Uh...

There is still DICE awards anyway.
 

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Did Shigeru Miyamoto really watch a man get teabagged on stage? I'm sorry Japan. Not *everyone* in the US is lame.
 

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I still surprised people take it seriously. At least with some people I know in real life and online, the Game Developer's Choice awards and the Interactive Arts and Sciences awards were followed with more credibility.

Even the Video Game BAFTAs is better than the VGAs despite it's odd choice of categories and nominees sometimes.
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs, we'd all be complaining that a samey, insubstantial Paramount blockbuster won again, not even acknowledging the actual people listed in the credits.
 

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Parts of this were hilarios. Although most of the film referances went right over my head.

If the Oscars where the VGA's Killer Elite would win Best Picture.
 

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Stabby Joe said:
I still surprised people take it seriously. At least with some people I know in real life and online, the Game Developer's Choice awards and the Interactive Arts and Sciences awards were followed with more credibility.

Even the Video Game BAFTAs is better than the VGAs despite it's odd choice of categories and nominees sometimes.
Spike's VGAs are the most visible award show, hence the comparison to Oscars. There are far "artsier" awards in the movie industry that mean a lot more to the people actually interested in movies as art, but the show that basically represents the medium are the Oscars. The closest thing gaming has to that are the VGAs. And it's also the award show that people who aren't fans of the medium are most likely to hear about. Now, if people who don't care about movies tune in for the Oscars to see what the big deal is, they aren't in for a terrible suprise. People might ***** about some movie winning while another loses, but by and large there isn't anything nearly as insulting to the medium as the VGAs put on for gaming.
 

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Shadowstar38 said:
Parts of this were hilarios. Although most of the film referances went right over my head.

If the Oscars where the VGA's Killer Elite would win Best Picture.
...but killer elite was good.

I mean it's not best picture material, I'll give you that, but I liked it.
 

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I felt more sorry for Hideo Kogima when he was on the VGAs. He looked completely lost, as if he'd just been dropped into it with no rehearsal.

Also, Charlie Sheen? CHARLIE SHEEN!? Come on, at least make an attempt to keep it within the games industry. They could have brought in Vin Diesel, what with his roles in Wheelman and the Riddick series, and still appealed to both their Spike/Gamer demographic and the rest of the gamer demographic.
 

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Jandau said:
Stabby Joe said:
I still surprised people take it seriously. At least with some people I know in real life and online, the Game Developer's Choice awards and the Interactive Arts and Sciences awards were followed with more credibility.

Even the Video Game BAFTAs is better than the VGAs despite it's odd choice of categories and nominees sometimes.
Spike's VGAs are the most visible award show, hence the comparison to Oscars. There are far "artsier" awards in the movie industry that mean a lot more to the people actually interested in movies as art, but the show that basically represents the medium are the Oscars. The closest thing gaming has to that are the VGAs. And it's also the award show that people who aren't fans of the medium are most likely to hear about. Now, if people who don't care about movies tune in for the Oscars to see what the big deal is, they aren't in for a terrible suprise. People might ***** about some movie winning while another loses, but by and large there isn't anything nearly as insulting to the medium as the VGAs put on for gaming.
Oh I understand why people hear about... and yet I still don't know why however.
 

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oh so predictable, I knew the moment I saw the tittle what this video was going to contain, some whining that the shitty era of people like him being the definition of gamers is over, a few cheap jokes, one of which didn't make sense in context (last I checked Skyrim, a fantasy rpg won goty, so the hypothetical oscar should go to LotR, the fantasy film) and some jerking off to Miyamoto
 

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Sutter Cane said:
Shadowstar38 said:
Parts of this were hilarios. Although most of the film referances went right over my head.

If the Oscars where the VGA's Killer Elite would win Best Picture.
...but killer elite was good.

I mean it's not best picture material, I'll give you that, but I liked it.
The joke was that Jason Statham is the Al Pacino of Spike TV's demographic which would make his last movie Oscar material. Assuming you can follow that analogy.
 

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To be fair to Green Lantern... Tree of Life was also a piece of shit (Oh, I said it!)
 

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Sporky111 said:
Also, Charlie Sheen? CHARLIE SHEEN!? Come on, at least make an attempt to keep it within the games industry. They could have brought in Vin Diesel, what with his roles in Wheelman and the Riddick series, and still appealed to both their Spike/Gamer demographic and the rest of the gamer demographic.
Yeah, but Vin is actually a gamer and could have lent some credibility (to the moment at least) by actually knowing what he was talking about. The second he started making sense they would cut him off by having Nathan Drake fall in from the ceiling and start a horribly choreographed fight sequence with a dozen black and Asian stunt performers.
 

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A lot of the VGA's problems are Spike related. Although unlike the UFC which thankfully is jumping to Fox next year and undergoing a drastic image change, I doubt the VGA's will change much.
 

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And this is why I pay absolutely no attention to the VGAs. All I needed to hear was that it was the "Spike VGAs" to know it would be nothing but hyper-masculine crap.
 

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Why does everyone act so surprised that awards shows are bullshit? They're about ART, pretty much the most subjective thing in the goddamn universe. The entire concept of the award show is chicanery. The VGAs are far more honest than the Oscars, because we can all acknowledge that we don't care who won what award -- we came here to see trailers, because they're all penned up in one place.
 

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walsfeo said:
Furbyz said:
They mistreated Felicia Day...the perfect woman. So...much....RAGE!
I didn't watch, what did they do to Felicia Day?
I didn't either. That's just what Bob said, and the mere concept enrages me to the nth degree.
 

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Had to look up who Brett Ratner was. Yeah, he'd have been right at home with the Spike TV crowd.
 
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I actually want to apologise to Miyamoto in person. Get down on my hands and knees and beg his forgiveness that such a thing like the VGAs exists.

I''m sorry Shigeru.

I'm so sorry.
 

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Well, the Oscars have their own issues. The way Hollywood tries to ignore the formulaic blockbusters that make them money, and place all the attention on formulaic period dramas and bio-pics with pretensions of a "message". As Bob himself noted in a previous vid, the Oscars are dominated by older actors, so directors, writers, music, and the audio-visual-technical elements take a back seat to the acting. The former are rewarded for making the latter look good, hence David Seidler won for The King's Speech when his direction amounted to putting two brilliant actors with a great script in the same room and rolling tape, while Christopher Nolan was snubbed for an original work like Inception.

But at least the Oscars don't roll trailers during the damned awards ceremony, nor allow celebrities from non-film-related fields to hog the spotlight.
 

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The Spike VGAs always struck me as an awards show run by people who have no clue what they're talking about beyond they know video games are cool for their audience.

I'm not talking about the hosts, I'm talking about the people at Spike who put his together. I think the executives at Spike TV Googled popular video games and ran with the resulting collection of CoD memes.
 

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If the Oscars were like the VGA's... The Star Wars prequels would be considered the best trilogy and have a boat load of awards.

If the Oscars were like the VGA's... Tron Legacy would still have been snubbed.

If the Oscars were like the VGA's... They'd encourage a Madden movie... yikes!
 

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common if we don't care hard enough maby our combined apathy will remove the VGA's from reality.
If oscares were the VGA's Transformers would win picture of the year and Michel Bay would get a lifetime achievement award.
 

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Eh, I'm not so sure about RotK losing the Oscar in this hypothetical situation. I actually didn't hear about biker boys (or maybe I did and just forgot). These types of award show are mostly popularity contests, and RotK was definitely the most popular movie that year. Heck, it won a couple awards at the mtv movie awards, if that's saying anything.

Oh, and pinkie pie, yay!
 

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Wait... wait... wait wait... one moment please... wait...

There is going to be a Starship Troopers reboot?


Awesome!
 

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MovieBob said:
If the Oscars Were the VGAs

An illustration of how VGAs are ruining our image.

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The problem is that "gaming" has become too big to just be a single category: "Gaming." It's an activity that engages several different audiences, but neither wants to give up the rights to the name.

It's like how gymnastics and football are both Sports, but they are extremely different and reach very different audiences. (And the bigger, angrier side continually claims the other side "isn't really a Sport.")

The Spike VGAs aren't about honoring games. They're about reveling in the culture and in-jokes of the "Chet"-side of Gaming. It's not meant for the folks that take Gaming-as-an-artistic-medium seriously. The sad part is that we have no real alternative for those folks.

But the fact remains we can no longer afford to keep "Gaming" as a single heading meant to encompass all participants in the activity. It's like Sports or Music, or even Movies -- it's a broad category that defines the medium, but there are many facets within that can't be grouped together.
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs...
Avatar would have won best picture
Avatar really was better than The Hurt Locker, but neither were better than Up In The Air.
 

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It's all just a big marketing stunt. I think everyone realizes that, and therefore those who watch it just watch for the spectacle.

Anyhow, if the Oscars were the VGA's I'd watch even fewer movies than I already do.
 

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I remember back in 03 I think it was when they did this show for the first time and Virgin Mobile was one of the sponsors so they ran a campaign where one lucky Virgin Mobile fan who was a virgin would get his virginity taken by two porn stars. That was my done moment. I was like "way to play the stereotypes jerkoffs"
 

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HEY!
Don't make fun of the VGA's for making room for more trailers.
Its the only thing the VGA's are good for.

Like the super bowl
 

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I nearly punched my screen just at the mention of a Fast and Furious 6. Scariest episode ever *shudders at the idea of Vin Diesel*.
 

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When the people who are attending your awards ceremony are complaining about the ceremony and how you've treated them whilst it's still going on, it is most definitely time to re-evaluate your priorities.

I feel really sorry for Mark Hamill and Tara Strong. Their treatments were unacceptable. And I feel extremely sorry for host Zachary Levi. You could tell he wanted to host a good video game awards show and it killed me to slowly see part of him die as the night went on. With crappy pun after crappy pun and awful skit after awful skit. Internet: The man genuinely loves his games! Honest. He was just dealing with an awful script!

Jeff Gerstmann and Alex Navarro both wrote excellent pieces on the VGAs over at Giant Bomb if anyone's interested.

Great vid, Bob!
 

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brazuca said:
The end was hilarious, but didn't other show on the Escapist adressed this issue. That show who got canceled about two guys and a chick who was on thursday for a year or something. Uh...

There is still DICE awards anyway.
Hey I think your talking about extra credits and they moved over to PATV on the penny arcade website. I don't know why they moved but that's where they are.
 

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Damn Bob why are you so mean to us around the holidays filling our minds with such horrible things?

Bad enough you had to show us the Three Stooges trailer now you want us to think of a world where Micheal Bay has a shelf full of Best Director Oscars.
 

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I noticed that they only showed a grand total of five or so awards on air, and dedicated the rest to a minute-long montage. It's not so much the VGA's, it's the VGT's (Video Game Trailers).
 

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Miyamoto is more like MC Escher than Leonardo btw.

But I can't really care that much as they are a pretty good represenation of a lot of the gaming community just not the one that we think of. Basically if we wanted a decent gaming award we'd look to the escapist but we know how our awards often turn out (March Mayhem). I can't really bring myself to care that much but maybe it's just cause I really don't like Felicia Day.
 

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I liked MiB 3 trailer... (please, don't hit me in the face)

You're right Bob, being Shig Miyamoto in this travesty of an "event" would be quite disgraceful.

I mean, seriously, just look at the poor guy listening to that crap:
 

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What would really help is if nobody from the game industry shows up, or better, outright refuses to be a part of it or it's nominations. Spike can't sell an awards show for "manly things" in general.
 

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jackanderson said:
When the people who are attending your awards ceremony are complaining about the ceremony and how you've treated them whilst it's still going on, it is most definitely time to re-evaluate your priorities.

I feel really sorry for Mark Hamill and Tara Strong. Their treatments were unacceptable. And I feel extremely sorry for host Zachary Levi. You could tell he wanted to host a good video game awards show and it killed me to slowly see part of him die as the night went on. With crappy pun after crappy pun and awful skit after awful skit. Internet: The man genuinely loves his games! Honest. He was just dealing with an awful script!

Jeff Gerstmann and Alex Navarro both wrote excellent pieces on the VGAs over at Giant Bomb if anyone's interested.

Great vid, Bob!
What happened to Mark Hamill and Tara Strong?
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs, every Media teacher -as well as Drama and Art- would become even more jaded. Also most of the people watching it would be the sort who most sane people would want to kick in the gonads.
 

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I can't watch this b/c I'm at work.

But damn, the comments are making me sticky this for later
 

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NinjaDC said:
HEY!
Don't make fun of the VGA's for making room for more trailers.
Its the only thing the VGA's are good for.

Like the super bowl
This. I had it on as background noise while playing my 3DS only to close that when a trailer came up.


So long as Spike TV keeps this up that's all it'll be good for. That said though, would a majority of gamers watch an Oscar-esk awards show? Least Joker won Character of the Year though.
 

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Thank you Bob. You pointed everything out that is wrong with this show. This years VGA was the first and last time I watched it. Usually I don't care about it, since I live in Europe and had no clue about Spike TV anyway, but I was bored so I watched a live stream... shocking.
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs:
1. Best Foreign Language Film would not exist so they could give the Michael Bay Award for Best Arse in a Film
2. Transformers would be named Best Picture in 2007 instead of No Country For Old Men
3. An award would be created for Best 3D. And it would go to Transformers 3 and Hugo would not be nominated.
4. Best Art Direction would be replaced by Best Fight scene in a Film, and it would always be given to a Vin Diesel/The Rock fight
5. The films of Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorcese, Francis Ford Coppola, Sidney Lumet, Orson Welles etc would never have even been considered for awards for being too artsy/long/intelligent.
6. Half of the show would be spent performing Eminem songs due to 8 Mile and 50 Cent songs due to Get Rich or Die Trying
7. Norbit would have won the Best Makeup award in 2007, along with Best Actor for Eddie Murphy.
8. Christopher Nolan would be beaten to death by Michael Bay with robo-balls for making intelligent films.

Bob, if you want to see an awards show which treats video games seriously, the Gaming BAFTAs would be the way to go as it is the UK giving gaming its own place in the top media awards in the UK.
 

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There's going to be an MIB3?!? Whoo boy...why does this bode ill?

Definitely feel for you, Bob. Someone should head over to Spike and slap the CEO over the head. Heck, I ALSO want to apologize to Miyamoto-San.

I NOW understand why the game companies are not willing to localize some of their better titles. The VGA proves...we are not worthy of them.
 

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This was a good video, and I knew about MIB3 ages ago... But what I did NOT know, was that Expendables 2 would have motherfucking Chuck Norris in it. I've only just wiped the vomit from my own eyes.
 

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As much as I enjoy Bob's work I feel his hatred of jocks and bro culture is getting out of hand.

MovieBob said:
An illustration of how VGAs are ruining our image.
The VGAs don't ruin our image. We ruin our image.

The Escapist is often very idealistic about gaming and gamers, a stance personified by shows like The Big Picture and the former ur-example, Extra Credits. It's a nice stance to take, but it is, deep down and at its worst, as narrow minded as the worst caricature of the online FPS community.

Because it's based on a lie. It's based on the lie that popular franchises from big soulless publishers crush struggling but deserving indies underfoot while drawing in a horde of jocks who ruin our gaming utopia with their crude, uncivilised ways. When I watch Bob sometimes I hear this subtext of "I liked it better when the dudes that bullied me at school didn't like what I like."

Why is it a lie? Because they're not the jocks. They're us.

Nerds/geeks/gamers/whatever used to be a minority, who would have to go out of their way to meet others who shared their interests and would treasure those rare meetings of minds. Then the Internet happened and suddenly we were knee-deep in 'our kind' and we didn't have to be friends with everyone anymore, so we split up into niches and started hating people who were in slightly different niches. You know, just like sports fans do. Just like the jocks do.

The Escapist is not representative of gaming culture. Fucking 4Chan is more representative of that, or would be if there was such a thing.

We became what we hated, and now we get the awards shows we deserve. A shallow, superficial parade of emptiness, hype, stupidity and memes* - just like the rest of the internet, and just like most games.

[sub]*teabagging is no better or worse than spamming FUS RO DAH or arrow jokes in forums, but I'm betting if they'd swapped the FPS references for Skyrim references they'd have got a different write up.[/sub]
 

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jackanderson said:
When the people who are attending your awards ceremony are complaining about the ceremony and how you've treated them whilst it's still going on, it is most definitely time to re-evaluate your priorities.

I feel really sorry for Mark Hamill and Tara Strong. Their treatments were unacceptable. And I feel extremely sorry for host Zachary Levi. You could tell he wanted to host a good video game awards show and it killed me to slowly see part of him die as the night went on. With crappy pun after crappy pun and awful skit after awful skit. Internet: The man genuinely loves his games! Honest. He was just dealing with an awful script!

Jeff Gerstmann and Alex Navarro both wrote excellent pieces on the VGAs over at Giant Bomb if anyone's interested.

Great vid, Bob!
What happened to Mark Hamill and Tara Strong?
Shoved up into the bleachers and had the awards in their categories given out in the pre-show. They weren't aware until the internet informed them through Twitter. They mentioned that they didn't win, but they didn't care. They still would've preferred some recognition of their categories.

But yeah, to do that to Hamill and Strong... just disgraceful.
 

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Weeeeeell... Miyamoto da Vinci of gaming... The guy is good, but let's not jump ahead of ourselves there.
 

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Dear MovieBob,

Highschool was a long time ago, get over it already.

p.s. You and Nintendo should just do it already so we can get all of this sexual tension out of the way.
 
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Alright, I see the problem here.

Bob, I think there's a really big difference between who Spike TV THINKS makes up the majority of gamers...and who actually does. I'm pretty sure they're marketing to an audience that, rather then being a majority, is actually just a very vocal minority.

Short Version: The people at SpikeTV don't really know a whole lot about videogames or the people who play them, and they don't care. The VGAs are nothing but cash cows, and are not in any way a commentary about the modern gamer.

Wow, that actually wasn't that short. Oh well.
 

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My thought process while watching the video:
1. "Hmm, didn't care at all about VGA's because I don't watch Spike TV"
2. "Totally agree on that Travis Touchdown comment"
3. "I'm pretty sure Miyamoto was just happy to be there, not really sure about what was going on and just happy to get that award"
4. OMG PINKIE PIE
5. "The horror...."

Anyway, yesterday I read this really good article by Jim Sterling about how maybe the problem with the VGA's is that maybe we should just stop caring about them and leave them to the kind of audience Spike TV is aiming at. Good read, IMO:

http://www.gamefront.com/the-spike-video-game-awards-dont-need-to-change-you-do/
 

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"If the Oscars were the VGAs, Brett Ratner would still be directing"

- This part hurt the most. Casual bigotry is so rampant in the gaming community (at least, the portion of the gaming community that actually watches the VGAs with anticipation). We can be so much better.

Also, if the Oscars became the VGAs, would that make the Golden Globes into whatever award show the bastardized network formerly known as G4 does?
 

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Bob is totally right. I watched the VGA's last year and and the only moment that made me go, "Wow, I'm glad I watched this garbage," was the Arkham City and Skyrim trailers.

Also, I hope that the VGA's go to G4 at some point. At least they have some gamer cred leftover from when it was Tech TV.
 

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Sixcess said:
[sub]*teabagging is no better or worse than spamming FUS RO DAH or arrow jokes in forums, but I'm betting if they'd swapped the FPS references for Skyrim references they'd have got a different write up.[/sub]
This is so true. Have a cookie.

I like to imagine that the writers at Bethesda spent at least a week going "I bet we can come up with something stupid and nonsensical that gamers will yell constantly."

And thus Fus ro Dah was born.
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs, would all the indie films be old school spectacle films?

That would be actually very awesome! I love them old school styles!

*puts on cap backwards, turns on the boombox
 

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CommanderKirov said:
Weeeeeell... Miyamoto da Vinci of gaming... The guy is good, but let's not jump ahead of ourselves there.
Name me other people who had more influence in the video game industry than Miyamoto.

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Good episode Bob, but too short :/
 

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jackanderson said:
Jeff Gerstmann and Alex Navarro both wrote excellent pieces on the VGAs over at Giant Bomb if anyone's interested.
I'd really like to read those but I don't seem to be able to find them, especially since I don't visit Giant Bomb a lot (more like once a year or so).

Other than that: Good vid, Bob.
One problem with such rewards is always that it is very questionable who is actually fit for handing out rewards. To me it seems like many possible candidates (big gaming news sources) are just on the payroll of big publishers and others just aren't known a lot.
I think the Penny Arcade guys would probably be good candidates for doing something like that but those already have their hand full with a lot of other stuff.
 

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Nice jab at the Mark Hamill fiasco. I refuse to ever watch the VGAs, I'm not giving the drivel ratings, but I heard about Tara Strong's super angry tweet about what they did to him. Which brings up two questions: why would you disrespect MARK FUCKING HAMILL, and what in the living hell was the cast of the Jersey Shore even doing there?
 

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Wait... They disrespected Ms. Day?

*grabs his torch pitchfork, and sword*

TO WAR! TO WAAAAR! STORM SECURITY! RAZE THE STUDIO! BURN THE CEO AT THE STAKE!

TO WAR MY BRETHREN! TO WAR!

Totally justified reaction ignored for the moment we still need to destroy the VGAs. A show like that is ok when the entire medium gets good coverage but when it caters to one demographic like that it doesn't belong as the top show.

Now...

TO WAAAAAAR!
 

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Tell me about the Red Dawn remake.. they spent a year filming around the Detroit area, even putting a Chinese tank though K-mart's former headquarters and putting Chinese propaganda in downtown Pontiac and so far we've seen nothing, no trailer, no release date, not even a teaser. As a person living in the Detroit area this ticks me off.
 

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As something of a reaction to a random unhappy thought: Bob, I like all of your shows. Please stay on the Escapist.
 

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You know what really pisses me off? Is that there is an infinitely superior videogame award event called the Interactive Achievement Awards, but that event isn't nearly as popular as the VGA.

Yeah, there is a Videogame award show that actually respects the media, doesn?t just give awards for the most popular game, doesn?t have stupid categories like most anticipated game and doesn?t fill the show with trailers, advertisings and booth babes and instead, people just go and watch the VGA.

Is this kind off thing that makes me think that the world should end.

By the way, take a look at the Interactive Achievement Awards: http://www.interactive.org/
 

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Didn't/don't watch the VGAs, though really the acronym fits well with Video Game Announcements. It's a bunch of schlock but remember that the VGAs are a reflection of the gaming media in general, in a sense just another arm of marketing. Is it really to anyone's surprise that many of the games, even if they aren't very good, are nominated? It's the reason they show trailers. One only has to remember that Geoff Keighley is one of the founders of the Spike VGA's and he's been a schill for the industry even back when G4 was a Comcast exclusive channel (before they bought TechTV). It's all about access and money, same with the reviews.

Gametrailers - I spit on thee.
 

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Does anyone think the VGAs still qualify as any kind of awards show? It's 80% direct marketing with 20% award marketing (slapping GOTY on somthing so the people that didn't buy it yet might be enticed to do so). I'm not against hyped up marketing, heck I'd prefer to take E3 in a 2 hour edited special than jumping through a ton of net videos, but don't hide your commercial behind a cover of legitimacy.

If the Oscars were the VGAs, you'd still have to release your movie shortly before the awards cutoff to have a hope of winning.

If the Oscars were the VGAs, a film with obviously poorly done and incomplete special effects would still win best picture (hey, I love me Skyrim, but any game that needs patches to fix serious game breaking issues probably shouldn't have been up)

If the Oscars were the VGAs, they'd be twice as long to stuff in a dozen lames blue screen skits.
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs M. Night Shyamalan's achievement curve would be bending the other way :p

But yeah... i didn't watch the VGAs this year either. Can't say i take much pride in having to be associated with what is apparently their target demographic :/
 

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CommanderKirov said:
Weeeeeell... Miyamoto da Vinci of gaming... The guy is good, but let's not jump ahead of ourselves there.
Name me other people who had more influence in the video game industry than Miyamoto.

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Good episode Bob, but too short :/
Easy one, Sid Meir, Gabe Newell and Chris Avellone
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs: The blind Side would have more chances to win best picture then Inglorious Bastards and Distric 9
 

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Why does everyone act so surprised that awards shows are bullshit? They're about ART, pretty much the most subjective thing in the goddamn universe. The entire concept of the award show is chicanery. The VGAs are far more honest than the Oscars, because we can all acknowledge that we don't care who won what award -- we came here to see trailers, because they're all penned up in one place.
I have to say as someone who (like MovieBob) is passionate about both games and movies... You have a point. I rarely agree with who wins the VGA's, and even when I do I still don't really care. The only reason I bother to keep track is to see the hype for stuff I might want coming soon, or catch any stuff I might have missed out on, much like the Oscars. They're both a joke, it's just that one of them is a pretentious joke which your only allowed to join in with if your from the same background as everyone involved, and one is an immature joke which you can only find funny if you're from the same background as everyone involved.

So yeah, if they Oscars were the VGA's... Sure, The Hurt Locker wouldn't win, but on the plus side, neither would Shakespeare In Love.
 

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As much as I enjoy Bob's work I feel his hatred of jocks and bro culture is getting out of hand.

MovieBob said:
An illustration of how VGAs are ruining our image.
The VGAs don't ruin our image. We ruin our image.

The Escapist is often very idealistic about gaming and gamers, a stance personified by shows like The Big Picture and the former ur-example, Extra Credits. It's a nice stance to take, but it is, deep down and at its worst, as narrow minded as the worst caricature of the online FPS community.

Because it's based on a lie. It's based on the lie that popular franchises from big soulless publishers crush struggling but deserving indies underfoot while drawing in a horde of jocks who ruin our gaming utopia with their crude, uncivilised ways. When I watch Bob sometimes I hear this subtext of "I liked it better when the dudes that bullied me at school didn't like what I like."

Why is it a lie? Because they're not the jocks. They're us.

Nerds/geeks/gamers/whatever used to be a minority, who would have to go out of their way to meet others who shared their interests and would treasure those rare meetings of minds. Then the Internet happened and suddenly we were knee-deep in 'our kind' and we didn't have to be friends with everyone anymore, so we split up into niches and started hating people who were in slightly different niches. You know, just like sports fans do. Just like the jocks do.

The Escapist is not representative of gaming culture. Fucking 4Chan is more representative of that, or would be if there was such a thing.

We became what we hated, and now we get the awards shows we deserve. A shallow, superficial parade of emptiness, hype, stupidity and memes* - just like the rest of the internet, and just like most games.

[sub]*teabagging is no better or worse than spamming FUS RO DAH or arrow jokes in forums, but I'm betting if they'd swapped the FPS references for Skyrim references they'd have got a different write up.[/sub]

An enlightening...if very depressing read. thank you.


However, I will have to argue that Arrow to the knee is a bit more respectable then Tea bagging.
 

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I was going to watch the VGAs, but then I took an arrow in the knee.


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Ok, no I wasn't going to watch them. Besides not having cable TV, I already knew thanks to the nominees that it was going to be a terrible joke on the gaming community.

It's just too bad it gets aired on Spike. Would be nice to see a proper VGA show aired on proper networks like CBC and BBC.
 

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Does anyone think the VGAs still qualify as any kind of awards show? It's 80% direct marketing with 20% award marketing (slapping GOTY on somthing so the people that didn't buy it yet might be enticed to do so). I'm not against hyped up marketing, heck I'd prefer to take E3 in a 2 hour edited special than jumping through a ton of net videos, but don't hide your commercial behind a cover of legitimacy.

If the Oscars were the VGAs, you'd still have to release your movie shortly before the awards cutoff to have a hope of winning.

If the Oscars were the VGAs, a film with obviously poorly done and incomplete special effects would still win best picture (hey, I love me Skyrim, but any game that needs patches to fix serious game breaking issues probably shouldn't have been up)

If the Oscars were the VGAs, they'd be twice as long to stuff in a dozen lames blue screen skits.
Ed the Sock. You win the internets. I automatically have to agree with you.
 

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If the Oscars were the VGA, they would comepletely overblown, sponsor hoars, with celebrties who've never seen a movie in their life (I'm sure there must be some), and only the most popular kind of movies, particularly the ones that appeal to the "Michael Bay" crowd, would get all the attention.
 

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You know this better than anyone that the Oscars aren't taken seriously by the audience or directors like Nolan, Scorcese, Tarantino, Spielberg, or any of those people.

Citizen Kane, Pulp Fiction, Shawshank Redemption, INCEPTION, Toy Story 3, UP, all lost out to Oscarbait. And these movies are considered to be some of the best movies ever made.

Also, I don't believe that video games and movies can be compared at all. And also that video games overtook movies a long time ago. BioShock, Portal, CoD:4, L.A. Noire, Gears 3, Grand Theft Auto: IV, Shadow of the Colossus, Red Dead Redemption and so many others are proof that Video Games are a different medium now.

As for the VGAs, I don't think anyone really cares. I think the industry cares more about trailers than it does for the actual awards. Websites can use the trailers for content, Companies can show off projects, and people can come together and discuss important stuff with others in the business. I think it's basically a convention, disguised as an award show.

As for the popularity of video games. Well those days are gone. Times have changed. Hundreds of people are involved in video games that take years to produce and you have games breaking $1 billion in a fortnight. It's a different industry than it was 10 years ago, and there's nothing we can do about, except reap the benefits while filtering out the bad stuff.
 

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brazuca said:
The end was hilarious, but didn't other show on the Escapist adressed this issue. That show who got canceled about two guys and a chick who was on thursday for a year or something. Uh...

There is still DICE awards anyway.
Hey I think your talking about extra credits and they moved over to PATV on the penny arcade website. I don't know why they moved but that's where they are.
I know why. They moved because the Escapist did not pay them. It got messy later. I was being polite, cause bob defended them and I would not like bob to get into trouble, especially because I love his show (this one, more than escape to the movies).
 

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The fact that the target demographic for the VGAs isn't far removed from what a typical gamer is pisses me off. They could have devoted this show to a retrospective of the year and they showed that they could be decent with Miyamoto and the Zelda montage. Seriously, pay attention to the AIAS Awards if you want something that treats the medium with dignity (even if even gamers don't at times)

Anyway:

If the Oscars were the VGAs Red Dawn would have been a multi-billion dollar franchise for DECADES

If the Oscars were the VGAs too many films from before the present day (like the Godfather, The Dollars Trilogy, Easy Rider, etc) would be considered "overrated" and "remembered only because of nostalgia"

If the Oscars were the VGAs Ehren Kruger would have at least two Best Adapted Screenplay Awards

If the Oscars were the VGAs they would try to throw a pie in the face of Spielberg for taking too long for an acceptance speech

If the Oscars were the VGAs they would put Jeff Dunham on stage to crack his racist jokes. And the crowd would love it
 

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MacNille said:
Anoni Mus said:
CommanderKirov said:
Weeeeeell... Miyamoto da Vinci of gaming... The guy is good, but let's not jump ahead of ourselves there.
Name me other people who had more influence in the video game industry than Miyamoto.

___

Good episode Bob, but too short :/
Easy one, Sid Meir, Gabe Newell and Chris Avellone
Completly disagree. Gabe Newell is the Valve guy right? You really think his influence surpasses Miyamoto's? Heck, even his favourite games are Doom and SUPER MARIO 64.

Besides Miyamoto was responsible for helping saving the industry after the 1983 crash.
 

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Redd the Sock said:
Does anyone think the VGAs still qualify as any kind of awards show? It's 80% direct marketing with 20% award marketing (slapping GOTY on somthing so the people that didn't buy it yet might be enticed to do so). I'm not against hyped up marketing, heck I'd prefer to take E3 in a 2 hour edited special than jumping through a ton of net videos, but don't hide your commercial behind a cover of legitimacy.

If the Oscars were the VGAs, you'd still have to release your movie shortly before the awards cutoff to have a hope of winning.

If the Oscars were the VGAs, a film with obviously poorly done and incomplete special effects would still win best picture (hey, I love me Skyrim, but any game that needs patches to fix serious game breaking issues probably shouldn't have been up)

If the Oscars were the VGAs, they'd be twice as long to stuff in a dozen lames blue screen skits.
Ed the Sock. You win the internets. I automatically have to agree with you.
Just a note: I'm not Ed. I just use him for my avatar.
 

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Anoni Mus said:
MacNille said:
Anoni Mus said:
CommanderKirov said:
Weeeeeell... Miyamoto da Vinci of gaming... The guy is good, but let's not jump ahead of ourselves there.
Name me other people who had more influence in the video game industry than Miyamoto.

___

Good episode Bob, but too short :/
Easy one, Sid Meir, Gabe Newell and Chris Avellone
Completly disagree. Gabe Newell is the Valve guy right? You really think his influence surpasses Miyamoto's? Heck, even his favourite games are Doom and SUPER MARIO 64.

Besides Miyamoto was responsible for helping saving the industry after the 1983 crash.
So because you disagree that makes him wrong? Don't get me wrong, Miyamoto has done great things but what's the last Nintendo released a great game that wasn't another Mario/Zelda/Metroid? I'm not saying they're not great, but they're not "The One" of gaming either.

OT:Hold up...I thought the Men in Black trailer looked decent. Although I am curious as to why Will Smith doesn't seem to age.
 

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MovieBob said:
If the Oscars Were the VGAs

An illustration of how VGAs are ruining our image.

Watch Video
if the Oscars were the VGA's - Michel Bay would win best director, every year

if the Oscars were the VGAs - Sepharoth would win 'greatest villain of all time'

if the Oscars were the VGA's - i still wouldn't watch it :D

its an awards show, Oscars, VGAs, Grammys, w/e none of them are really worth sitting through, not when i have a movie i could be watching, or beating the crap out of a raid boss or something worth staying awake for.
 

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If the Oscars were like the VGAs... they would only give out one Oscar in the first hour. The rest of the hour would be dedicated to teabag and douchebag jokes.

If the Oscars were like the VGAs... all nominated best actresses would be forced to demean themselves in cake frosting for teenage boys' amusement.

If the Oscars were like the VGAs... James Cameron would forced to have another man's scrotum rubbed on his face for going too long in his award speech.

If the Oscars were like the VGAs... a Ben Stiller skit would have him laugh at how "Alfred Hitchcock's" name ends in "cock".

If the Oscars were like the VGAs... the best Picture winner would be a movie that 1/3rd of all viewers would not be allowed to finish watching because the movie would drop framerates, then freeze, and ultimately crash.

If the Oscars were like the VGAs... there would be a category called "Best Use of Product Placement" and Michael Bay would win every time.

If the Oscars were like the VGAs... Tom Green or Andy Dick would host.

If the Oscars were like the VGAs... you'd walk away thinking the entire movie industry was run by horny, immature, dimwitted, crass, sexist teenage perverts that taint the entire human gene pool.
 

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You're right Bob we should all put aside our differences and accept that different people have different tastes but we can all share what we enjoy and find a common ground instead of pandering to a thankless demographic. And you're right, movies and video games represent 2 totally different artforms and schools of practice. I mean even though we might not like call of duty or transformers, millions of people do and thats cool because who are we to judge them? I mean we spent OUR whole lives being judged negativly for liking our nerdy shit so why can't we set an example instead of purpetuating the same tired old shit that we grew up with in school.

Oh wait....
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs, it would be in a world where MovieBob doesn't spend all his game-related posts while metaphorically performing fellatio on Miyamoto and crying about the ghost of gaming past.
#IWentThere.
 

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Anoni Mus said:
CommanderKirov said:
Weeeeeell... Miyamoto da Vinci of gaming... The guy is good, but let's not jump ahead of ourselves there.
Name me other people who had more influence in the video game industry than Miyamoto.
John Carmack. Have you got any idea how many engines have been based around his Quake engine architecture? Or how about Tim Sweeney, whose engine is the most widely used right now in the AAA industry? That's surely influential? Or Sid Meier, who has the largest digital footprint of any game developer? Or Gabe Newell, who started the trend of narrative FPS and leads the way in digital distribution? Or Richard Garriott, who basically set the standard for WRPGs and JRPGs? Or Chris Avellone, who is responsible for Planescape:Torment, Baldur's Gate, New Vegas, 'nuff said?
 

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They mistreated Felicia Day...the perfect woman. So...much....RAGE!
Admittably, I haven't had that much exposure to Ms. Day, beyond Mass Effect and some god awful Dragon Age internet series. But on seeing the latter, she is no way a perfect woman. She is not a very good actress in the flesh. Speaking of "flesh", the VGA might as well treat her as a booth babe seeing as how the tv show already did.

Bob is probably right about the universally despised VGAs, but that doesn't make him sound any less of an elitist snob. Once again, Bob can't resist taking an opportunity to ***** about other people for liking different stuff; about how these guys are somehow a betrayal to his pretentious ideal of what a "gamer" should be like. Liking action games and sports and boobs does not make one deserving of contempt. You can't pretend their tastes are undeserving of the limelight; they represent one of the biggest demographics in the medium. It is this kind of "low-brow don't count" mentality that made the Oscars what it is today.
 

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Yea the VGA's were embarrassing as hell and the If the Oscars Were the VGA's game was better then the entire show.

OT

holy shit new site layout.
 

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MacNille said:
Anoni Mus said:
CommanderKirov said:
Weeeeeell... Miyamoto da Vinci of gaming... The guy is good, but let's not jump ahead of ourselves there.
Name me other people who had more influence in the video game industry than Miyamoto.

___

Good episode Bob, but too short :/
Easy one, Sid Meir, Gabe Newell and Chris Avellone
Also:

David Crane.
Yu Suzuki.
Chris Crawford.
John Carmack.
Richard Bartle.
Richard Garriot.
Mark Cerny.

Ralph frickin' Baer.

I can keep going...

Anoni Mus said:
Completly disagree. Gabe Newell is the Valve guy right? You really think his influence surpasses Miyamoto's? Heck, even his favourite games are Doom and SUPER MARIO 64.

Besides Miyamoto was responsible for helping saving the industry after the 1983 crash.
Whoa there, don't overstate your case...

The NES wasn't Miyamoto's idea, he didn't design it, it wasn't his idea to release in North America - which was the only territory that was actually affected by the Great Video Game crash - and he wasn't part of the massive marketing push that was required to sell it in North America.

Miyamoto's important enough without people buying into Nintendo's "game god" propaganda and overstating his influence...
 

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If the Oscars were the VGA's, Martin Scorsese's name would be mispronounced. Badly.
 

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That last line was awesome, Bob. Thanks to you I'm partially more informed about why I should hate Brett "Fags" Ratner.
 

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I think that we should just be thankful no one pays attention to the VGAs. People outside of gamers have no reason to watch it, so it doesn't make us look any worse. People who really love games don't pay much attention to it, but it must get ratings with the "mainstream" crowd since it's still on. Hopefully it will go the way of Gforia or however it was spelled and mysteriously vanish. Naturally, I didn't watch it, because I had tried to a few years ago and couldn't stand it.
 

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Bob, just stop talking about video games in general, stop it, STOP IT!! Your bias and Nintendo fanboyism is REALLY starting to get annoying.

I really am sorry for how badly you might have been picked on by high school douchebags in the 90s, but they are not running the game industry into the ground no matter what you might think. Fact is they ARE the group of casual gamers you keep whining that people should accept, and the only reason I see you have something against them is because they don't all apply to the Wii crowd of casual gaming.

Seriously Bob, just stick to movies, or comic books, you seem a lot more open minded towards those mediums and not suffering from some form of -ism or nostalgia when it comes to it. Your Nintendo "I hate modern games" fanboyism is really like the equivalent in movies to those hipster dip shit film snobs that think every movie after Jaws was a corporate piece of crap and every good movie today should be compared to the glorious movies of the 60s and 70s like Dogs Day Afternoon or Network and scrutinized for being inferior.

Of course Mario is hardly a Dogs Day Afternoon for gaming. Or a Network. It's equivalent would be in TV and it would be Scooby Dooby Doo...LoL

Yes, I'm making fun of your Mario, what of it??
 

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Grygor said:
MacNille said:
Anoni Mus said:
CommanderKirov said:
Weeeeeell... Miyamoto da Vinci of gaming... The guy is good, but let's not jump ahead of ourselves there.
Name me other people who had more influence in the video game industry than Miyamoto.

___

Good episode Bob, but too short :/
Easy one, Sid Meir, Gabe Newell and Chris Avellone
Also:

David Crane.
Yu Suzuki.
Chris Crawford.
John Carmack.
Richard Bartle.
Richard Garriot.
Mark Cerny.

Ralph frickin' Baer.

I can keep going...

Anoni Mus said:
Completly disagree. Gabe Newell is the Valve guy right? You really think his influence surpasses Miyamoto's? Heck, even his favourite games are Doom and SUPER MARIO 64.

Besides Miyamoto was responsible for helping saving the industry after the 1983 crash.
Whoa there, don't overstate your case...

The NES wasn't Miyamoto's idea, he didn't design it, it wasn't his idea to release in North America - which was the only territory that was actually affected by the Great Video Game crash - and he wasn't part of the massive marketing push that was required to sell it in North America.

Miyamoto's important enough without people buying into Nintendo's "game god" propaganda and overstating his influence...
Sorry, but I'm a game designer myself, and my entire studio 100% views Shigeru Miyamoto as a "game god" and the Da Vinci of gaming.

You know what's a timeless masterpiece, something revered for its perfect use of form and function, a finely-tuned artistic endeavor created on a canvas without equal? It is seen by millions and is recognized instantly, admired by both children and sage adults; it has transcended time and weathered changing interests to endure as an eternal testament to creativity. It has been seen in museums and been the focus of documentaries. It has inspired legions of followers and produced artisans aspiring to its merits. It has been imitated, but never surpassed. Every year, a new generation of people experience it for the first time and respect it for its beauty, influence, and skill.

I'm not talking about the Mona Lisa. I'm talking about SUPER MARIO BROS.

I'm quite upset you would diminish the accomplishments of Shigeru Miyamoto. Now, granted, I am not saying he is the ONLY creator we should respect, but just like Michelangelo, Frank Lloyd Wright, Monet, and Alphonse Mucha, Da Vinci rose above his peers to a level of cultural influence beyond all others.

I have great respect for Shinji Mikami, Will Wright, Sid Meier, Gabe Newell, Cliff Blizinski, John Romero, Suda51, Hideo Kojima, Hironobu Sakaguchi, Richard Garriott, Ed Boon, Michel Ancel, Jordan Mechner, and so many others... but none of them, not a single one, can boast a resume as robust, diverse, or as universally beloved as Shigeru Miyamoto's.

From the influence of the platformers Mario and Donkey Kong to the puzzle-adventure Zelda to the mythological Kid Icarus to the garden strategy of Pikmin to the space shooter Star Fox to the lightning fast racer F-Zero to the RPGs of Super Mario RPG and Golden Sun to social games such as Mario Party and Animal Crossing to sports games ranging from Mario Tennis to boxing-classic Punch-Out!!

And those were just the games. His influence on system features, ranging from motion controls to rumble to wireless controls to dual screens to system connectivity to even the ability to save progress in a game (and eliminate passwords) changed the entire face of the industry for everyone.

There are plenty of other great creators out there who make phenomenal and original games that I love dearly... but only ONE man has so thoroughly and pervasively released so many timeless, beloved classics with such a wide range of diversity and with such a widespread, deeply felt influence on the entire landscape of game development.

And I'm proud to be in the industry he helped pave the way for.
 

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Furbyz said:
They mistreated Felicia Day...the perfect woman. So...much....RAGE!
Admittably, I haven't had that much exposure to Ms. Day, beyond Mass Effect and some god awful Dragon Age internet series. But on seeing the latter, she is no way a perfect woman. She is not a very good actress in the flesh. Speaking of "flesh", the VGA might as well treat her as a booth babe seeing as how the tv show already did.

Bob is probably right about the universally despised VGAs, but that doesn't make him sound any less of an elitist snob. Once again, Bob can't resist taking an opportunity to ***** about other people for liking different stuff; about how these guys are somehow a betrayal to his pretentious ideal of what a "gamer" should be like. Liking action games and sports and boobs does not make one deserving of contempt. You can't pretend their tastes are undeserving of the limelight; they represent one of the biggest demographics in the medium. It is this kind of "low-brow don't count" mentality that made the Oscars what it is today.
Felicia Day has degrees in mathematics and musical performance, going to college on a full violin performance scholarship. She wrote, directed, and starred in the hit web series The Guild and was a part of Dr. Horrible's Sing-along Blog. Hell, she was even in a few episodes of Buffy back in the day. Admittedly, I haven't seen the Dragon Age series or even played Mass Effect. Her nerd street cred could not be any higher. She is my idea of the perfect woman. Whether you share that opinion or not is, quite frankly, irrelevant. I feel certain I'd disagree with your idea of perfection as well, but I doubt I'd take the time time to say what amounts to, "No, you're wrong."

Good day
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs, the B-movie action flick season and the arthouse season would switch places.
But if the VGAs were Oscars, COD, Madden and Guitar Hero would lose Best Game to New Super Mario Bros Wii.
 

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Rocklobster99 said:
jackanderson said:
When the people who are attending your awards ceremony are complaining about the ceremony and how you've treated them whilst it's still going on, it is most definitely time to re-evaluate your priorities.

I feel really sorry for Mark Hamill and Tara Strong. Their treatments were unacceptable. And I feel extremely sorry for host Zachary Levi. You could tell he wanted to host a good video game awards show and it killed me to slowly see part of him die as the night went on. With crappy pun after crappy pun and awful skit after awful skit. Internet: The man genuinely loves his games! Honest. He was just dealing with an awful script!

Jeff Gerstmann and Alex Navarro both wrote excellent pieces on the VGAs over at Giant Bomb if anyone's interested.

Great vid, Bob!
What happened to Mark Hamill and Tara Strong?
Shoved up into the bleachers and had the awards in their categories given out in the pre-show. They weren't aware until the internet informed them through Twitter. They mentioned that they didn't win, but they didn't care. They still would've preferred some recognition of their categories.

But yeah, to do that to Hamill and Strong... just disgraceful.
Thats a huge fucking dick move...Spike been going down hill since the brand change from TNN.
 

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While I do agree that the VGAs are a giant piece of garbage, I unfortunantly found this whole episode more then a bit dull. Half of it was just the same sort of joke repeated over and over. And the other half was just pointing out what most people here already knew; the VGAs shouldn't be taken seriously. But they are unfortuantly taken seriously by some. Not to mention I like a few of the items you mentioned.
 

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Expenables 2 have Chuck Norris.
-sigh-
I'm going into my bomb shelter, tell me when everyone stops the Chuck Norris jokes surrounding, involving, or "should of ended" of EX2.
 

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Angry Joe said all this about the VGA's a long time ago. But somethign this bad defiantly bears repeating.
 

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Oh the academy awards. That show clearly does not get quite enough respect.

You know. That one award show that gave 'best picture' to Dances with Wolves and Shakespeare in Love and gave 'best actress' to Hilary Swank TWICE. Clearly they are the true intelligentsia.
 

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Wow people really hate nintendo to put Miyamoto and Bob down. Bob's whole argument wasen't even nintendo based. Granted Miyamoto isn't the only person to have an effect on the gameing industry. But Miyamoto had a bigger more wide spread infulence,that will spand for all time...nuff said
 

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Did Shigeru Miyamoto really watch a man get teabagged on stage? I'm sorry Japan. Not *everyone* in the US is lame.
If we were in Japan, we would all need to commit suicide for dishonoring the talented developers by letting this award show exist. But think of how much worse it would be hosted by MTV.

Not so bad now, is it?
 

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I had to see if this was real.

Seriously, what the fuck is this?
WAT FUCK?

How much did they pay that guy to do that! I mean really!?
 

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It's kind of sad that after I saw Pinkie I stopped paying attention and started thinking about how I missed last weeks episode. I had to rewatch the whole section after that slide...
 

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It's kind of sad that after I saw Pinkie I stopped paying attention and started thinking about how I missed last weeks episode. I had to rewatch the whole section after that slide...
 

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Wait. They did a live IRL teabag? Seriously?? Wow...
Yeah, not regretting skipping it and checking all the trailers the next day.

I do like that, unlike the Oscars, the right game/movie wins.
 

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I don't always reply to videos on The Escapist
But when I do, it's because OMG PINKIE PIE!
Yes, but he called her a "Dopey Meme".

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The Spike VGAs always struck me as an awards show run by people who have no clue what they're talking about beyond they know video games are cool for their audience.

I'm not talking about the hosts, I'm talking about the people at Spike who put his together. I think the executives at Spike TV Googled popular video games and ran with the resulting collection of CoD memes.
I like the fact they had a few more people who actually know what they are doing (Chuck, Felicia Day) however the entire thing was a wee bit... childish? Hell, seeing a live reenactment of "The Wizard" would be less childish.
 

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Judging by a few videos of the VGA's on Youtube. This is just degrading I bet most of my friends who play mainly FPS would be embarrased. This medium has come so far and they still make it seem like we are freaking 12 year old boys.
 

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You know... As much as I don't like the VGA's or more like I have no real peference. People say: "I am just glad CoD didn't game of the year," in a tone that suggests that it has before...

When it never has...

2011 - Skyrim
2010 - RDR
2009 - Uncharted 2
2008 - GTA4
2007 - Bioshock... and so on, it has NEVER won.

So stop trying to act like it has i na way to insult it, hell MW3 wasn't even nominated this year.

Also the fact that you said: Another Call of Duty map pack seriously lost some respect there. Following the bandwagon I see.
 

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Why is Pinkie Pie creeping into everything I like? She's like the freaking Slender Man. At the rate, the next time I play Skyrim she's going to thow me a surprise party in Breezehome.
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs...

...Michael Bay would win Best Director, Best Producer (along with the rest of Platinum Dunes) and recieve the Lifetime Achievement Award every year.
...there would be a ten-minute montage declaring Pixar gay.
...the schedule would go, "trailer for a movie not being released for four-to-seven months," "trailer for a movie not being released for eight-to-eleven months," award, repeat.
...there would be a montage dedicated to gratuitous female nudity.
...there would be a montage depicting ways The Matrix is better than anything Bruce Lee has done.
...there would be a point in the show where a no-real-meaning award is given to either Martin Scorcese, Peter Jackson or Steven Speilburg in order to please, "those damn casual moviegoers."
...the musical acts would be obnoxious pop-rock.

Take your pick. The VGAs are a horrible, pandering insult to fans of video games, I'm glad we can all agree on that. Anyone who likes the VGAs, please turn in your Nintendo Fun Club cards and leave through the back door. I REFUSE TO CALL IT CLUB NINTENDO.

EDIT: Also...
C2Ultima said:
I had to see if this was real.

Seriously, what the fuck is this?
What the fuck is this nonsense?! I feel raped! I feel honest-to-god raped! Excuse me, I'm going to see my lawyer and see if you can sue a show for breach of taste!
 

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Sporky111 said:
Also, Charlie Sheen? CHARLIE SHEEN!? Come on, at least make an attempt to keep it within the games industry. They could have brought in Vin Diesel, what with his roles in Wheelman and the Riddick series, and still appealed to both their Spike/Gamer demographic and the rest of the gamer demographic.
Yeah, but Vin is actually a gamer and could have lent some credibility (to the moment at least) by actually knowing what he was talking about. The second he started making sense they would cut him off by having Nathan Drake fall in from the ceiling and start a horribly choreographed fight sequence with a dozen black and Asian stunt performers.
did... did something like that actually happen?!

Korten12 said:
You know... As much as I don't like the VGA's or more like I have no real peference. People say: "I am just glad CoD didn't game of the year," in a tone that suggests that it has before...

When it never has...

2011 - Skyrim
2010 - RDR
2009 - Uncharted 2
2008 - GTA4
2007 - Bioshock... and so on, it has NEVER won.

So stop trying to act like it has i na way to insult it, hell MW3 wasn't even nominated this year.

Also the fact that you said: Another Call of Duty map pack seriously lost some respect there. Following the bandwagon I see.
I am of the same opinion. How would you go about convincing me otherwise?

How does Bob's opinion loose some credibility simply because it's the more popular one? isn't that just an equally ridiculous inversion of that old "tryanny of the majority" fallacy?

I mean, "following the bandwagon". Right. his opinion is shared by many, is what that means. That has precisely shag-all to do with whether or not it's valid or respectable.
 

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Felicia Day was in it for a paycheck. I don't get all the mad in here. Yeah, the VGAs were an insult, but she wasn't "mistreated", they didn't hold her at gunpoint, she did what she had to to earn money. If you're going to be angry about that, aim that heat her way for selling out.

The VGAs themselves are a joke, and evidently the industry and it's true supporters (ie the gamers) are the punchline. I'm amazed it's gone on this long.
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs, Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon would win; best picture, best screenplay, best cinematography, best actor/actress, best soundtrack and best special effects.

Now, excuse me while I hang myself for saying that...
 

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DressedInRags said:
ChildofGallifrey said:
Sporky111 said:
Also, Charlie Sheen? CHARLIE SHEEN!? Come on, at least make an attempt to keep it within the games industry. They could have brought in Vin Diesel, what with his roles in Wheelman and the Riddick series, and still appealed to both their Spike/Gamer demographic and the rest of the gamer demographic.
Yeah, but Vin is actually a gamer and could have lent some credibility (to the moment at least) by actually knowing what he was talking about. The second he started making sense they would cut him off by having Nathan Drake fall in from the ceiling and start a horribly choreographed fight sequence with a dozen black and Asian stunt performers.
did... did something like that actually happen?!

Korten12 said:
You know... As much as I don't like the VGA's or more like I have no real peference. People say: "I am just glad CoD didn't game of the year," in a tone that suggests that it has before...

When it never has...

2011 - Skyrim
2010 - RDR
2009 - Uncharted 2
2008 - GTA4
2007 - Bioshock... and so on, it has NEVER won.

So stop trying to act like it has i na way to insult it, hell MW3 wasn't even nominated this year.

Also the fact that you said: Another Call of Duty map pack seriously lost some respect there. Following the bandwagon I see.
I am of the same opinion. How would you go about convincing me otherwise?

How does Bob's opinion loose some credibility simply because it's the more popular one? isn't that just an equally ridiculous inversion of that old "tryanny of the majority" fallacy?

I mean, "following the bandwagon". Right. his opinion is shared by many, is what that means. That has precisely shag-all to do with whether or not it's valid or respectable.
Because, as was pointed out, sais opinion is entirely fallacious, accusing it of catering its awards to COD players when it does nothing of the sort.
 

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DressedInRags said:
ChildofGallifrey said:
Sporky111 said:
Also, Charlie Sheen? CHARLIE SHEEN!? Come on, at least make an attempt to keep it within the games industry. They could have brought in Vin Diesel, what with his roles in Wheelman and the Riddick series, and still appealed to both their Spike/Gamer demographic and the rest of the gamer demographic.
Yeah, but Vin is actually a gamer and could have lent some credibility (to the moment at least) by actually knowing what he was talking about. The second he started making sense they would cut him off by having Nathan Drake fall in from the ceiling and start a horribly choreographed fight sequence with a dozen black and Asian stunt performers.
did... did something like that actually happen?!

Korten12 said:
You know... As much as I don't like the VGA's or more like I have no real peference. People say: "I am just glad CoD didn't game of the year," in a tone that suggests that it has before...

When it never has...

2011 - Skyrim
2010 - RDR
2009 - Uncharted 2
2008 - GTA4
2007 - Bioshock... and so on, it has NEVER won.

So stop trying to act like it has i na way to insult it, hell MW3 wasn't even nominated this year.

Also the fact that you said: Another Call of Duty map pack seriously lost some respect there. Following the bandwagon I see.
I am of the same opinion. How would you go about convincing me otherwise?

How does Bob's opinion loose some credibility simply because it's the more popular one? isn't that just an equally ridiculous inversion of that old "tryanny of the majority" fallacy?

I mean, "following the bandwagon". Right. his opinion is shared by many, is what that means. That has precisely shag-all to do with whether or not it's valid or respectable.
I like Bob's show's but sometimes he acts like he is just there to spout what others say. Indie Games, Modern Gamers (ones who play CoD for example) are idiots, that Modern Shooters are stupid... Everything you hear hundreds of hundreds of hipsters say.

It's fine if he feels that way, but he presented itself in away that seems like he was trying to be an ass about it and that he was somehow being "clever."

But like I also said, he made it as if CoD has won GoTY at the VGA's many times when it has not. It's like insulting something for something it hasn't done.
 

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Speaking of Felicia Day, after you mentioned Nathan Fillion a few epsodes ago, i was thinking they maybe you should do an epsode braking down the different nerd web clebs, ex: Day, Fillion, Jonathan Colton, Wil Weaton, Chris Hardwick(although that one might be streaching it). Maybe even go on a joke rant about Yahtzee, just for giggles.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
If the Oscars were the VGAs...
Avatar would have won best picture
You sir deserve all the internets for beating incredible odds and creating an extremely funny (and true) comment. *tips hat*

OT: I personally though the awards themselves were given to the games that deserved them. Portal 2 got best multiplayer and best DLC and Skyrim got GOTY. What's not to like Bob? Didn't they give Super Mario 3D Land "best handheld game" and Skyward Sword two awards of its own?

C'mon Bob...
 

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...Wouldn't it make more sense for the VGAs to be on, say, G4, not Spike TV? But no, we ave to pander to the lowest-common denominator, don't we? *SIGH*
 

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The Best Gamers didn't like the VGAs either.

http://thebestgamers.net/viewbuzz.php?id=Story1323647172

Sheesh. What happened to Miyamoto? I'd be sad too if I went to a video game show that had nothing to do with video games.
 

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Furbyz said:
walsfeo said:
Furbyz said:
They mistreated Felicia Day...the perfect woman. So...much....RAGE!
I didn't watch, what did they do to Felicia Day?
I didn't either. That's just what Bob said, and the mere concept enrages me to the nth degree.
Yeeeaaaahhhh..... I didn't watch it either (four for four).
But I highly doubt whatever they did would shock me, because a) I have a heart made of adamantium, and b) my only exposure to Felicia Day is her voice role as Veronica in Fallout New Vegas.
 

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You're right Bob we should all put aside our differences and accept that different people have different tastes but we can all share what we enjoy and find a common ground instead of pandering to a thankless demographic. And you're right, movies and video games represent 2 totally different artforms and schools of practice. I mean even though we might not like call of duty or transformers, millions of people do and thats cool because who are we to judge them? I mean we spent OUR whole lives being judged negativly for liking our nerdy shit so why can't we set an example instead of purpetuating the same tired old shit that we grew up with in school.

Oh wait....
YES! THANK YOU!
 

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...Wouldn't it make more sense for the VGAs to be on, say, G4, not Spike TV? But no, we ave to pander to the lowest-common denominator, don't we? *SIGH*
that could be applied to the video game industry itself, too.

It's hard to pan our awards for pandering when the industry behind them are as guilty, if not more.
 

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So, basically, what I get from that is, "If the Oscars were the VGA's, they'd be the MTV Movie awards."

That's honestly how I've treated the VGA's, just the simplistic version of award shows for the lowest common denominator. Closest I can think of to the Oscars for video games is the BAFTA awards.
 

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Oh man I almost forgot they were making an Expendables 2.
That first one was way better than that other movie with Michael Cera.
 

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Why is Pinkie Pie creeping into everything I like? She's like the freaking Slender Man. At the rate, the next time I play Skyrim she's going to thow me a surprise party in Breezehome.
You really shouldn't taunt Murphy.

Anyway...we need to start fixing things up ourselves, or just wish that everything is better, and I think we're only gonna get results if we aim for the former.
 

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The end was hilarious, but didn't other show on the Escapist adressed this issue. That show who got canceled about two guys and a chick who was on thursday for a year or something. Uh...

There is still DICE awards anyway.
The best show on the planet Extra Credits? :D
 

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Wow people really hate nintendo to put Miyamoto and Bob down. Bob's whole argument wasen't even nintendo based. Granted Miyamoto isn't the only person to have an effect on the gameing industry. But Miyamoto had a bigger more wide spread infulence,that will spand for all time...nuff said
Yes, the constant criticism Bob gets for being a Nintendo is both tiring and sad. But then again, this is the Escapist
 

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Same old arguments from MovieBob, same old responses from the Escapist community, this is getting old.
 

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Sad thing is, I can point you to some idiotic little parasites on YouTube that actually take the VGAs to be a serious thing when evaluating the games industry.

Damnit, I look at stuff like this sometimes and it makes me feel dead inside. When did we get devolve so much as a society that "live action tea-bagging" was considered comedy? Let alone, entertainment?
 
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Bob, we need to have a talk.

I love you. I love your reviews. I love Big Picture videos. I love you articles.

But in this video, you looked a bit silly. Almost everything you said here, from the jokes to the facts to the comparisons stunk of a person who is fed up with certain mainstream things, he will not give the time of day to something that is a) Popular in the mainstream or b) At least 10 years old.

You did raise some good points in this video, but you are still starting to look like a bit of an "indie snob" for lack of a better term.

Just think about it for a bit, Bob.
 

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I like the fact they had a few more people who actually know what they are doing (Chuck, Felicia Day) however the entire thing was a wee bit... childish?
They didn't have Felicia Day on long enough for people to do anything but go "look, attractive girl!" though, so I doubt thoughts were along the "these people understand games" line.
Not that she isn't attractive, it's just if you fill something with people who know nothing, make use of the people who know something.
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs...The Transformers trilogy would be considered the greatest film series of the new millennium, would win a record number of awards, Michael Bay would win a Lifetime Achievement award, and I would die a little inside.
 

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Kinda wish there was a more professional awards show for games that wasn't on Spike TV. The only channel I would see that happening on would be G4...circa five years ago when I had any respect for G4. Seriously, what happened to you G4? You used to be cool.

It's been a few years since I stopped watching it (and TV in general; though I have started watching the Hub lately), but when I left G4 had one, maybe two shows that were actually about video games. Everything else was syndicated trash like COPS and Cheaters, and old nerd movies that admittedly were good but not what I signed up for.

People who still watch G4, has it gotten better? Or has it gotten even worse?
 

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Oh I am so sorry that you liked it better when video games shunned by the rest of the world as childs toys, and had no media representation whatsoever. I get not liking all the advertisements running during the awards ceremony, but think of it this way. The Dark Knight and Inception didn't win best picture at the oscars, but Skyrim beat out Gears of War 3, BattleField 3 and Modern Warfare 3 to take game of the year at the VGAs. And how dare you deem anyone other then Gabe Newell as the Leonardo Da Vinci of video games. /endrant.
 

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So, are you going to do a followup "If the VGAs Were the Oscars"? Please? Fair is fair, and I know you can't resist taking a potshot at the Oscars.
 

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Sorry, but I'm a game designer myself, and my entire studio 100% views Shigeru Miyamoto as a "game god" and the Da Vinci of gaming.

You know what's a timeless masterpiece, something revered for its perfect use of form and function, a finely-tuned artistic endeavor created on a canvas without equal? It is seen by millions and is recognized instantly, admired by both children and sage adults; it has transcended time and weathered changing interests to endure as an eternal testament to creativity. It has been seen in museums and been the focus of documentaries. It has inspired legions of followers and produced artisans aspiring to its merits. It has been imitated, but never surpassed. Every year, a new generation of people experience it for the first time and respect it for its beauty, influence, and skill.

I'm not talking about the Mona Lisa. I'm talking about SUPER MARIO BROS.

I'm quite upset you would diminish the accomplishments of Shigeru Miyamoto. Now, granted, I am not saying he is the ONLY creator we should respect, but just like Michelangelo, Frank Lloyd Wright, Monet, and Alphonse Mucha, Da Vinci rose above his peers to a level of cultural influence beyond all others.

I have great respect for Shinji Mikami, Will Wright, Sid Meier, Gabe Newell, Cliff Blizinski, John Romero, Suda51, Hideo Kojima, Hironobu Sakaguchi, Richard Garriott, Ed Boon, Michel Ancel, Jordan Mechner, and so many others... but none of them, not a single one, can boast a resume as robust, diverse, or as universally beloved as Shigeru Miyamoto's.

From the influence of the platformers Mario and Donkey Kong to the puzzle-adventure Zelda to the mythological Kid Icarus to the garden strategy of Pikmin to the space shooter Star Fox to the lightning fast racer F-Zero to the RPGs of Super Mario RPG and Golden Sun to social games such as Mario Party and Animal Crossing to sports games ranging from Mario Tennis to boxing-classic Punch-Out!!

And those were just the games. His influence on system features, ranging from motion controls to rumble to wireless controls to dual screens to system connectivity to even the ability to save progress in a game (and eliminate passwords) changed the entire face of the industry for everyone.

There are plenty of other great creators out there who make phenomenal and original games that I love dearly... but only ONE man has so thoroughly and pervasively released so many timeless, beloved classics with such a wide range of diversity and with such a widespread, deeply felt influence on the entire landscape of game development.

And I'm proud to be in the industry he helped pave the way for.
When people like you praise Miyamoto to the high heavens and give him credit for games he had nothing to do with as if he is responsible for practically everything good Nintendo has done, you insult other developers, make yourself look like a slavering fanboy, and diminish Miyamoto's reputation far more than anything I have said.

For example, Miyamoto is not responsible for Kid Icarus - that came from Gunpei Yokoi's team.
He did not give us Golden Sun - that was the folks at Camelot Software Planning, who also made Mario Tennis and the Mario Golf games.
Animal Crossing was produced by Miyamoto's protege Takashi Tezuka, not Miyamoto himself.
He did not make Punch-Out!! - that was Genyo Takeda's baby. Takeda was also responsible for designing the battery back-up system that was added to the US and European versions of The Legend of Zelda (the Japanese original was a Famicom Disk System game - it saved directly onto the game disk).

If you consider Miyamoto a "game god" you are buying into a mythology, not a person, and you are putting the man on a pedestal far higher than the one he deserves. Taking (extremely mild) criticism of Miyamoto personally merely shows how disproportionate you admiration and love for the man is.
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs, Green Lantern would win best Superhero movie because the bright colors of Thor and the straight-faced unironic approach of Captain America would be considered "Gay."

If the Oscars were the VGAs, The remake of The Thing would be considered the best horror movie of the year because of all of the icky icky blood and gore... and nothing else.

If the Oscars were the VGAs, The Twilight movies would be inducted into the hall of fame on the sole merit that they were popular and made money.

If the Oscars were the VGAs, the original cast from Mystery Science Theater 3000 would be brought on stage for an award in cinematic comedy, then immediately get rushed off stage so the creators of the last two titles in the Scary Movie franchise to reveal the trailer for their next film, "The Real Expendable Killer Steel Elite" which is a hilarious spoof full of pop culture references full of non-actors that makes fun of Real Steel, Killer Elite, and The Expendables. The Trailer by the way is just a picture some guy with his butt exposed shooting a grenade launcher at a robot through various filters with camera shake while a loud fart sound effect echoes through it.

If the Oscars were the VGAs, the Mortal Kombat movie reboot will be considered the first great video game movie because it was gutted entirely of any and all trappings of its source material except for the basic basic setting of a fighting tournament, and as such the Director will be given an Oscar.

If the Oscars were the VGAs, all of the horror movie remakes done by Platinum Dunes will be considered naturally superior to the originals simply because they are now modernized and therefore ready to be resold, and will be given honorable mentions.

If the Oscars were the VGAs, the indie movie, Troll Hunter will given a ten second spot as best indie movie, then get shoved off stage for a montage of clips of Michael Bay's next Transformers Movie, now with offensive Mexican robot cars that turn into pick-up trucks.

Alright, that's all I got. Also, for the Record, Miyamoto may be a bit exaggerated by fans, but his contribution to gaming as we know it really is pretty effing big. Of course the naysayers do have a point, what with Japanese game development being one of tightly comprised committee, but to say the guy just had his name added to the title after all the "real" work was done is just stupid. Miyamoto deserved more ceremony than what he got, and he should be as respected as Gabe Newell, Warren Spector, and Tim Schafer in the very absolute least. Great episode, Bob, keep them up.
 

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Am I the only one that noticed that Bob used an image of Jay Sherman from the episode he crossed over onto The Simpsons instead of his standard "The Critic" image?

That's, um... a thing.

Anyway, I know they are just reusing part of a plot from the cartoon but I am still excited for MIB 3

"Crazy right, two grown men talking to the wall, wall talking back, it's a mess. Hey, don't even worry about it." [FLASH]
 

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When people like you praise Miyamoto to the high heavens and give him credit for games he had nothing to do with as if he is responsible for practically everything good Nintendo has done, you insult other developers, make yourself look like a slavering fanboy, and diminish Miyamoto's reputation far more than anything I have said.

For example, Miyamoto is not responsible for Kid Icarus - that came from Gunpei Yokoi's team.
He did not give us Golden Sun - that was the folks at Camelot Software Planning, who also made Mario Tennis and the Mario Golf games.
Animal Crossing was produced by Miyamoto's protege Takashi Tezuka, not Miyamoto himself.
He did not make Punch-Out!! - that was Genyo Takeda's baby. Takeda was also responsible for designing the battery back-up system that was added to the US and European versions of The Legend of Zelda (the Japanese original was a Famicom Disk System game - it saved directly onto the game disk).

If you consider Miyamoto a "game god" you are buying into a mythology, not a person, and you are putting the man on a pedestal far higher than the one he deserves. Taking (extremely mild) criticism of Miyamoto personally merely shows how disproportionate you admiration and love for the man is.
What the hell is your problem? First off, I'm a fanGIRL (get the gender right, buddy!)

And secondly, I wrote VERY CLEARLY that there are plenty of other people, even at Nintendo, who have made some phenomenal games! Gunpei Yokoi, for example, creator of the Gameboy, creator of Metroid, and many others.

Speaking of which, Miyamoto worked on Kid Icarus ALONGSIDE Gunpei Yokoi, so you're mistaken there. I admit I was wrong on a few (I got Golden Sun and Animal Crossing totally wrong... though the creator of Animal Crossing went on record saying the NES Zelda game was his inspiration for the game), but I'm totally right on all the others. He's worked on Punch-Out!!, he's worked on Mario Golf, and he oversaw and approved the addition of battery back-up in the NES Zelda games.

Why do you insist Miyamoto hasn't been involved, to some degree, in some of the most influential games ever made?

In fact, here... Let's set the damn record straight. I looked up the list of games Shigeru Miyamoto has had a hand in, and I walked away MORE impressed than ever.

Here is the List of Miyamoto's games that he has on his resume where he has served either in the roles of Director, Producer, or Designer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_games_created_by_Shigeru_Miyamoto

Are THOSE enough "facts" for you to state that he's one of the greatest game designers of all time, someone the rest of us in the industry aspire to be even half as influential or successful as? If not, by all means, don't let some logic get in the way of your opinion.

Or would you rather try and be "hip" and "cool" and throw out another auteur game creator with a few cult games like Suda51 or American McGee?

I mean, even Hideo Kojima and Will Wright "consider Miyamoto to be the greatest video game designer of all time."

Face the facts; nobody has a resume that good in gaming. Not Takashi Tezuka, not Gunpei Yokoi, not Genyo Takeda, not Kevin Levine, not John Romero, not Sid Meier, not Richard Garriott, Not Peter Molyneux, not Yoshio Sakamoto, not Hironobu Sakaguchi, not anybody else on God's good earth.

He's a creator of the highest caliber, who has put the passion of gaming before the bottom dollar. Despite his tenure and success, he refuses to accept a higher salary than the majority of his development team and he is noted for his humility in an industry dominated by greed and egos. Even if his games sucked (they don't) or his influence wasn't deep-felt (and it is), his attitude alone towards gaming, gamers, and the potential of this medium is inspirational and, in many ways, backwards from the Activisions and EAs of this world.

Read more of his profile on GiantBomb if you want more validity.
http://www.giantbomb.com/shigeru-miyamoto/72-614/

Either way, I apologize for two mistakes, but the overwhelming influence he's had on the industry, by the examples I've shown, the statements on his behalf, and the admitted inspiration developers state on their modern games, is simply irrefutable.
 

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I might have gotten a lot more out of this had I watched either of these award shows. Or ever watched award shows. Or followed cinema. Or trends in popular gaming as opposed to classic and old school gaming.

[small]And yes I was amused by the inclusion of Pinkie Pie for effect. And that's all I have to say about that.[/small]
 

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Why is Pinkie Pie creeping into everything I like? She's like the freaking Slender Man. At the rate, the next time I play Skyrim she's going to thow me a surprise party in Breezehome.
And if I had Skyrim and knew how to mod, I would probably send you an anonymous e-mail that does just that now that you've said it. Ah, well, such is life...

OT: ...I dunno about this one. I'm not going to disown you over one bad episode, but really, this one just left me feeling totally neutral. The topic wasn't the best one to begin with, and your jokes, honestly, weren't really that funny. ...Still, it's the end of the year; holiday special next week?
 

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I don't like the VGAs that much but come on Bob the whole "they obsess over military shooters" just was not true this year.

Battlefield 3 and MW3 were not nominated for Best Picture, in fact the only game with guns that was nominated was Uncharted 3 (unless you count portal guns).

The only time they brought up MW3 was when they won best shooter (which was their only win).

No wait one of the MW3 characters was nominated best character but they used that time to talk about a charity involving veterans instead of the actual game.

In fact if you look at what won, Portal 2 swept up a ton of awards.

So come on Bob they do deserve credit in that one aspect.
 

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I watched the VGA's after watching The Big Picture. And.... well I can't say I am impressed.
Normally I don't watch it either but really.. I just don't believe some guests when they say they are 'into games'.

And really? Does Charly Sheen have to be everywhere? How unrelated it might be?
Really?

Thankfully only gamers watch this event so we're not beeing made a fool, except in front of our own. THe world will think no less. Not that it matters what the world thinks anyway.
 

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"I'm Bob, and that's the Big Picture."

Nope, not really. It was an angry, one sided rant, filled with lame jokes, not a big picture. And you're not even right about a few things (most notably about War Shooters winning the 'best picture' awards, and about Green Lantern having a shot. You know damn well dude, that those kind of games suck, even for an average video game user).

Big thumbs down for you for this episode, Bob. I know you can do better than this (like with Transformers 2. That was a hilarious rant).
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs...
Avatar would have won best picture
If the Oscars were the VGAs, The Last Airbender would've gotten a nomination.

Or do the VGAs at least pretend to have standards?
 

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Waaah! Gaming is diverse and I only like diversity when it involves black people and women, not people with differences than me beyond the surface! Waaaah!

PS: Felicia Day will never touch your penis, no matter how white a knight you are.
 

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Speaking of which, Miyamoto worked on Kid Icarus ALONGSIDE Gunpei Yokoi, so you're mistaken there.
To quote Wikipedia, citation needed. The only evidence for that claim comes from Wikipedia and Nintedo wiki entries with his name in the title, all of which trace back to a listing of the game's credits on Gamefaqs of all places. The wiki entries for Kid Icarus mention nothing about his involvement, a quick google search turns up nothing that isn't about Kid Icarus: Uprising, the credits listed at Mobygames don't list him, and most damningly of all, he's not even listed in the in-game credits.

He's worked on Punch-Out!!
Wii game only.

he's worked on Mario Golf
Credited for "Original Characters by" and "supervisor" - not a major role, but I'll give you that one.

and he oversaw and approved the addition of battery back-up in the NES Zelda games.
Prove it. Again, the Japanese version was an FDS game - save data was written directly to the game disk. The battery back-up was only added to the North American and European releases - as the FDS had not been (and would not be) released in those territories - which came out a year-and-a-half after the Japanese release.

Here is the List of Miyamoto's games that he has on his resume where he has served either in the roles of Director, Producer, or Designer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_games_created_by_Shigeru_Miyamoto
You're citing a wikipedia page that lists credits that are unsourced or dubiously sourced - you're going to need to do better than that. Seriously; that page credits him as a producer on Killer Instinct - unsourced, naturally - even though that game was made by Rare and his name is nowhere to be found in the game's credits.

Are THOSE enough "facts" for you to state that he's one of the greatest game designers of all time, someone the rest of us in the industry aspire to be even half as influential or successful as? If not, by all means, don't let some logic get in the way of your opinion.
I find it strangely telling that you felt the need to put "facts" in scare quotes.

Or would you rather try and be "hip" and "cool" and throw out another auteur game creator with a few cult games like Suda51 or American McGee?
That doesn't even deserve a response, beyond pointing out the implied insult directed at me, Suda51, American McGee, segments of the "games as art" crowd, small cult games, and people who like small cult games.

I mean, even Hideo Kojima and Will Wright "consider Miyamoto to be the greatest video game designer of all time."
Appealing to authority? On a purely subjective matter? You have got to be kidding me. Also interesting that you bring up Kojima, who was inspired to make games in the first place by Yuji Horii's Portopia Serial Murder Case (as well as SMB), and who's games are clearly more influenced by Portopia than by anything Miyamoto has made.

And why do I get the impression you're only citing them because they agree with you? Do you truly hold Wright and Kojima in high enough regard that you'd consider their opinion on this even if it didn't agree with yours?

Face the facts; nobody has a resume that good in gaming.
There's more to being an important game designer than the length and quality of your resume. Sometimes a single game can be more significant than an entire life's work, and sometimes a developer's writings can inspire far more budding developers and move the medium forward more than any game they make.

not Gunpei Yokoi,
A man responsible for a game who's genre now bears it's name, and who is practically the father of handheld gaming?

not Richard Garriott,
Creator of arguably the single most influential CRPG franchise in history?

He's a creator of the highest caliber, who has put the passion of gaming before the bottom dollar. Despite his tenure and success, he refuses to accept a higher salary than the majority of his development team and he is noted for his humility in an industry dominated by greed and egos.
I never said he wasn't important or great - I said he's not a god; when he dies, he is not going to ascend into the heavens to become the patron deity of gaming. He may be part of the Pantheon, but he is not the One True God. As for humility, that's debatable.

I'm deeply sorry if you can't accept that some people might not agree that Shigeru Miyamoto is the greatest game designer to have ever lived and is head-and-shoulders above all of his peers, but frankly, that's your problem, not mine.
 

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I feel really sorry for Mark Hamill and Tara Strong.
After this sentence I read up und what happened. And all I can think of is "WTF?".

Havin Mark Hamill there, Luke effin Skywalker, one of the big icons of nerddom, and you didn't even announce it?

And don't get me started on Tara Strong, one of my favorite voice actresses (for obvious reasons *points at his avatar*, but also for her exceptional work on other cartoons I liked AND her performance as Harley which I loved).

Teabagging, VO awards offstage, didn't even show Hamill... I am getting old.
 

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Bob, I like your videos, I like them a lot, but I didn't like this one.

Now Let me give it to you straight: I like Halo. And according to your video, just for that I am ruining the gaming industry. Now that's a rather hasty generalisation. Especially since I've never seen the VGAs or even heard of the channel that it's aired on.(I'm guessing it's American) And I don't much care to.

Now aside from that show, of wich I'm sure is quite stupid, the insinuation that certain gamers for liking certain games are responsible for the danmation of the games industry. And that the industry would be better off without these games, wich are enjoyed by many, is simpely biased, unfair and untrue.

Now I get that you like some games more than others, but christ Bob, live and let live.
 

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Sad thing is, I can point you to some idiotic little parasites on YouTube that actually take the VGAs to be a serious thing when evaluating the games industry.

Damnit, I look at stuff like this sometimes and it makes me feel dead inside. When did we get devolve so much as a society that "live action tea-bagging" was considered comedy? Let alone, entertainment?
You mean devolution from the days of blackface? Or are you reffering to the days when comedy involved sexually harassing a woman?
 

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Its not just bloggers, NO ONE likes the VGAs. I think it was 2008 i decided to watch some of the horrible spectacle and couldn't sit thought 2 minutes of Snoop-Dog looking like his soul had been completely erroded obviously there because he had run out of money. Its just painful to watch.

To be honest i don't think the "Dudebro" demographic is actually that huge, it just happens some douchebags are very vocal gaming dicks, like they are vocal dicks about a whole lot of other topics.
 

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Nice jab at the Mark Hamill fiasco. I refuse to ever watch the VGAs, I'm not giving the drivel ratings, but I heard about Tara Strong's super angry tweet about what they did to him. Which brings up two questions: why would you disrespect MARK FUCKING HAMILL, and what in the living hell was the cast of the Jersey Shore even doing there?
what did they do to mark hamil?...

and jersy shore??

.....fuck....just

...fuck
 

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*looks thread over*

So... The stupid VGAs were stupid? Is the sky blue?

I just... I'm totally nonplussed by this. The only time I ever watched Spike TV was because I was curious about "Gary the Rat". Way back when the channel had something like two ounces of worthy content.

I honestly think it'd be better for all of us if we just accepted that the jock and douchebag demographics are now part of the gaming scene and will forever be clamouring for more tits, pointless action sequences and empty nominations - and moved on.

I'm surprised Felicia Day hasn't used her popularity as a springboard to criticize the VGAs more openly, and I'm glad Tara Strong and Mark Hamill protested against their fairly poor treatment.

The moral of the story being that most of us should just move on, watch the BAFTAs or something else that's a tad more substantial, and in doing so try to sway the public opinion and perception of video games as a media worthy of being celebrated *away* from the VGAs.
 

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Men In Black 3 actually looks pretty good from the trailer, at least in a MIB-way. Don't start hating before you know if it's good or not.

So from the sounds of it the VGA's were terrible to watch. But I don't really get this game Bob is trying to play. From what I can see the actually award noms/winners are all great choices. I'd agree with pretty much all of them. Except maybe the Male performance one, as great as Stephen Merchant was, you can't beat Hamill's Joker. What's the problem? From what I can see, every game that should have gotten a nod, did.

edit: Okay so there's four somewhat "silly" catergories. But they mean nothing, they're voted by viewers.

Oh wow you didn't use a very good alternative to The Green Latern winning best picture. The Tree of Life? Really?
 

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Depressing and funny video all at once.

Just googled why did Brett Ratner have to quit? I didn't even know he was signed on for the Oscars, nevermind bowing out again. Anyway, I can't believe people are still popping it out like that in public. I'm not expecting homophobia/racism/whatever to disappear but you'd think people would become better at hiding it. Even if that jus means not spouting off rehearsal is for fags uring a Q and A.

Idiot.

Would it really have been so hard to say rehearsals are for losers?
 

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The most reasonable argument I've heard about casual people is no one would mind them if they didn't have so much influence on an industry and hobby they hardly know anything about. There is no denying they brought video games into the larger public eye, but I am sure no one expected the result would be this!


I puked. Thank goodness for games like Hawken, Natural Selection 2, and Mega Man X: Corrupted. It seems small developers are the way to go next year.
 

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Waaah! Gaming is diverse and I only like diversity when it involves black people and women, not people with differences than me beyond the surface! Waaaah!

PS: Felicia Day will never touch your penis, no matter how white a knight you are.
You know what? I'll make that my resolution for the new year. Get Felicia Day to touch my penis sounds easier that the usual "loose X amount of weight" or "quit smoking".
 

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if the oscars where the vgas - bionicle the movie would have won an oscar for best animation.
 

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(Taking deep breath) OK (and exhaling) I have said this before and I say it again... instead of dealing with the Spike VGA; work with Penny Arcade, IGN and a few other sites to make your own awards ceremony.

This is easily solvable and with the fanbases you have could pull the best crowd... also place it on youtube and other sites instead of TV, its fitting for this industry that we should advance with the times.
 

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There would be a "Best Car-Chase" and "Best trailer" award and most importantly "Best Rack" award. Serious titles that were not mainsteam mega-hits would not feature at all. 'Indie movies', as in any movie that did not have a budget in the 100s of millions, would have their own single award catagory annouced days before the event and have no chance of winning in other catagories.
 

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Speaking of which, Miyamoto worked on Kid Icarus ALONGSIDE Gunpei Yokoi, so you're mistaken there.
To quote Wikipedia, citation needed. The only evidence for that claim comes from Wikipedia and Nintedo wiki entries with his name in the title, all of which trace back to a listing of the game's credits on Gamefaqs of all places. The wiki entries for Kid Icarus mention nothing about his involvement, a quick google search turns up nothing that isn't about Kid Icarus: Uprising, the credits listed at Mobygames don't list him, and most damningly of all, he's not even listed in the in-game credits.

He's worked on Punch-Out!!
Wii game only.

he's worked on Mario Golf
Credited for "Original Characters by" and "supervisor" - not a major role, but I'll give you that one.

and he oversaw and approved the addition of battery back-up in the NES Zelda games.
Prove it. Again, the Japanese version was an FDS game - save data was written directly to the game disk. The battery back-up was only added to the North American and European releases - as the FDS had not been (and would not be) released in those territories - which came out a year-and-a-half after the Japanese release.

Here is the List of Miyamoto's games that he has on his resume where he has served either in the roles of Director, Producer, or Designer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_games_created_by_Shigeru_Miyamoto
You're citing a wikipedia page that lists credits that are unsourced or dubiously sourced - you're going to need to do better than that. Seriously; that page credits him as a producer on Killer Instinct - unsourced, naturally - even though that game was made by Rare and his name is nowhere to be found in the game's credits.

Are THOSE enough "facts" for you to state that he's one of the greatest game designers of all time, someone the rest of us in the industry aspire to be even half as influential or successful as? If not, by all means, don't let some logic get in the way of your opinion.
I find it strangely telling that you felt the need to put "facts" in scare quotes.

Or would you rather try and be "hip" and "cool" and throw out another auteur game creator with a few cult games like Suda51 or American McGee?
That doesn't even deserve a response, beyond pointing out the implied insult directed at me, Suda51, American McGee, segments of the "games as art" crowd, small cult games, and people who like small cult games.

I mean, even Hideo Kojima and Will Wright "consider Miyamoto to be the greatest video game designer of all time."
Appealing to authority? On a purely subjective matter? You have got to be kidding me. Also interesting that you bring up Kojima, who was inspired to make games in the first place by Yuji Horii's Portopia Serial Murder Case (as well as SMB), and who's games are clearly more influenced by Portopia than by anything Miyamoto has made.

And why do I get the impression you're only citing them because they agree with you? Do you truly hold Wright and Kojima in high enough regard that you'd consider their opinion on this even if it didn't agree with yours?

Face the facts; nobody has a resume that good in gaming.
There's more to being an important game designer than the length and quality of your resume. Sometimes a single game can be more significant than an entire life's work, and sometimes a developer's writings can inspire far more budding developers and move the medium forward more than any game they make.

not Gunpei Yokoi,
A man responsible for a game who's genre now bears it's name, and who is practically the father of handheld gaming?

not Richard Garriott,
Creator of arguably the single most influential CRPG franchise in history?

He's a creator of the highest caliber, who has put the passion of gaming before the bottom dollar. Despite his tenure and success, he refuses to accept a higher salary than the majority of his development team and he is noted for his humility in an industry dominated by greed and egos.
I never said he wasn't important or great - I said he's not a god; when he dies, he is not going to ascend into the heavens to become the patron deity of gaming. He may be part of the Pantheon, but he is not the One True God. As for humility, that's debatable.

I'm deeply sorry if you can't accept that some people might not agree that Shigeru Miyamoto is the greatest game designer to have ever lived and is head-and-shoulders above all of his peers, but frankly, that's your problem, not mine.
MY problem? I view him as the greatest game developer of all time in a sea of great talent. That's not MY problem. You're apparently the one that was so bothered by MY (and MovieBob's, and Will Wright's, and Cliff Blizinski's, and Hideo Kojima's) opinion you felt the need to post your disdain for that preference and then launch into a tirade where you ignore or discredit the very examples I just submitted ("see, he only worked on the Wii version of Punch-out!!, not Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!... so, er, I guess he's never worked on Punch-Out!! like I originally claimed!")

Fine. Let's not trust the "dubiously" sourced Wikipedia. Eurogamer, IMDB, GiantBomb, IGN, Gamespy, CVG, and other sources confirm the very same list wikipedia details quite thoroughly (including him producing Killer Instinct for the SNES/Super Famicom... NOT the original Arcade, which you may be thinking of).

And for the record, I wasn't trying to be funny. I love cult games too (from Psychonauts to To the Moon to Shadows of the Damned). Hell, I love American McGee enough that I bought the Art of Alice: Madness Returns book and got him to sign it himself! I'm not knocking their work, because I adore it... but American McGee, like Suda51, is rather niche. Games that deserved higher sales and acclaim... but their influence isn't widely felt in this industry.

But, fine, you mention Gunpei Yokoi. I never said he WASN'T one of the most influential men in gaming. He pioneered Nintendo handhelds and was instrumental in Metroid and Kid Icarus. If the man had not died tragically in a car accident, I wager he'd be revolutionizing the industry alongside Miyamoto to this day. But that's not the case. Metroid games are beloved, but I can only name Castlevania, Shadow Complex, and to a minor degree Shantae as games that are blatantly influenced by Metroid's design, and, not to discredit him, but portable games existed long before the GameBoy, or even the Game & Watch, existed, though he popularized them. He's a great creator and I miss him terribly (he kept Sakamoto in line...), but his field of work was limited, partially due to his untimely death.

And Richard Garriott? God bless him for Ultima, even if he had zero success outside of that franchise. It was a revolutionary CRPG and paved the way for MMORPGs... but, again, he popularized these games, yet they existed LONG before 1981's Ultima hit store shelves. Computer RPGs like "Rogue" by Michael Toy and Glenn Wichman beat Garriott to the punch by a fear years, as did CRPGs like Temple of Apshai and Akalabeth: World of Doom. Aren't you doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing, putting creators like Gunpei Yokoi and Richard Garriott on a pedestal and crediting them for pioneering ideas others had first? Not saying these creators didn't do great things or create great games that caught on with the public, but it's like saying Grand Theft Auto III invented sandbox gaming with vehicles when that same team did the same thing a few years earlier on Body Harvest for N64.

Let me quote what you said, "There's more to being an important game designer than the length and quality of your resume. Sometimes a single game can be more significant than an entire life's work, and sometimes a developer's writings can inspire far more budding developers and move the medium forward more than any game they make."

Okay. Sure. And Miyamoto's resume is LONG (over 120 titles) and FULL of series that are the absolute most successful in the world (Mario and Zelda in particular). BUT... he ALSO has those "single games" that "inspired far more budding developers". From the works of Will Wright (godfather of the simulation genre), to the ideas of Hideo Kojima (pioneer of cinematic game narrative), to the game ethics of Cliff Blizinski (developer of Unreal Tournament and Gears of War), to so many others as an inspiration to them either to get into video games, or how to approach making video games.

TIME magazine called him the "greatest video game creator of all time" and the "Spielberg of video games'; The Academy of Interactive Arts and Science acknowledged him as the "most important person in video games" and was the first person put into the Hall of Fame; various sites, from IGN to Gametrailers, have named him the "greatest game creator of all time"; he's been formally acknowledged by the Japanese and French governments.

Both Super Mario Bros AND The Legend of Zelda are considered two of the most successful game franchises ever (Mario is flat-out number 1), and news media, journalists, magazines, and Miyamoto's own peers have called them the most influential games ever made. You can look these up in TIME, Wired, CVG, and TLC.

Your opinion that Miyamoto is either not as influential as everyone else thinks, or is overrated, is in the minority, not just amongst gamers, but also industry professionals, developers, and journalists.

But, here, let me go casual here and see what Urban Dictionary's preferred definition is for Shigeru Miyamoto: "The greatest video game creator who ever lived and ever will live! Shigeru has the imagination and talent to create extremely popular franchises such as Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, etc. He is the master at FUN, which is what Nintendo is all about! In other words: Shigeru Miyamoto is the GOD of the video games industry."

Feel free to disagree, but you're opinion is most definitely not shared by the majority of gamers, industry insiders, or even fellow developers. You'd probably have much better success trying to convince people that Walt Disney wasn't the most influential cartoon creator of all time and that we should all bow down to Richard Williams, Don Bluth, and Winsor McCay.
 

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Sorry 'bout that folks. Only ONE mountainous wall of text from me was expected.
 

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... wait, did you just propose a reboot of Starship Troopers featuring the cast of Glee?

I'm simultaneously incensed and slightly intrigued at the notion.

Better still, Neil Patrick Harris could reprise his role without breaking the crossover.
 

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EDIT: Holy cow! I hate this new site layout! It glitched out and triple-posted me!

I miss the old, fast, efficient site...
 

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Game companies, Spike TV, meet me at camera 3 as Jon Stewart would say.

We know that this "awards" show is little more than a chance to keep actors out of drug rehab for another month while exploiting the gaming fanbase. We know you haven't taken this thing seriously since its inception. Making an intelligent, talented person like Felicia Day debase herself in parlor tricks under the auspices of "donating to Child's Play" while completely neglecting to let us know how much this shameless pandering actually helped was a symptom. Seeing a video blogger get free tickets because he threatened Samuel L. Jackson levels of violence against Spike TV producers when his beloved Zelda didn't win Game of the Year made it all the more apparent what the disease really is.

Games industry, stop asking us to pay you attention.

Isn't the fact that your medium consistently outperforms many traditional formats reason enough to celebrate? Especially when you consider that one of the main selling points of the current console generation is the ability to faff about with those alternative forms of media when exploring Skyrim grows tiresome. Shouldn't we be proud of the fact that there are companies who have been in business for more than a quarter century whose work is still considered fresh and vibrant? Can't we accept the fact that gaming is popular, and "defending our honour" with stunts like this is actually hurting our credibility? For fuck's sake, you were caught teabagging the developers of a game you were celebrating five seconds ago!

...Granted, that was MW3, and I feel that someone over at Activision needed to get the experience the rest of us do, but that's not the point.

If the main reason these awards exist is to hype next year's releases, let's drop the awards gimmick and call it "Winter E3: Revenge of the Trailers". And when games are ready to have an awards show based on merit, rather than live voting on "most anticipated thing that doesn't exist yet", we'll let you have your damn trophy.

Or achievement, whichever floats your boat.
 

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If the oscars were the VGAs, Michael Bay would get a lifetime achievement award.
 

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The only gaming related thing I want to do with Spike TV's VGA's is bludgeon everyone involved in making it to death with an actual Saints Row 3 dildo bat.
 

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Grygor said:
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Speaking of which, Miyamoto worked on Kid Icarus ALONGSIDE Gunpei Yokoi, so you're mistaken there.
To quote Wikipedia, citation needed. The only evidence for that claim comes from Wikipedia and Nintedo wiki entries with his name in the title, all of which trace back to a listing of the game's credits on Gamefaqs of all places. The wiki entries for Kid Icarus mention nothing about his involvement, a quick google search turns up nothing that isn't about Kid Icarus: Uprising, the credits listed at Mobygames don't list him, and most damningly of all, he's not even listed in the in-game credits.

He's worked on Punch-Out!!
Wii game only.

he's worked on Mario Golf
Credited for "Original Characters by" and "supervisor" - not a major role, but I'll give you that one.

and he oversaw and approved the addition of battery back-up in the NES Zelda games.
Prove it. Again, the Japanese version was an FDS game - save data was written directly to the game disk. The battery back-up was only added to the North American and European releases - as the FDS had not been (and would not be) released in those territories - which came out a year-and-a-half after the Japanese release.

Here is the List of Miyamoto's games that he has on his resume where he has served either in the roles of Director, Producer, or Designer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_games_created_by_Shigeru_Miyamoto
You're citing a wikipedia page that lists credits that are unsourced or dubiously sourced - you're going to need to do better than that. Seriously; that page credits him as a producer on Killer Instinct - unsourced, naturally - even though that game was made by Rare and his name is nowhere to be found in the game's credits.

Are THOSE enough "facts" for you to state that he's one of the greatest game designers of all time, someone the rest of us in the industry aspire to be even half as influential or successful as? If not, by all means, don't let some logic get in the way of your opinion.
I find it strangely telling that you felt the need to put "facts" in scare quotes.

Or would you rather try and be "hip" and "cool" and throw out another auteur game creator with a few cult games like Suda51 or American McGee?
That doesn't even deserve a response, beyond pointing out the implied insult directed at me, Suda51, American McGee, segments of the "games as art" crowd, small cult games, and people who like small cult games.

I mean, even Hideo Kojima and Will Wright "consider Miyamoto to be the greatest video game designer of all time."
Appealing to authority? On a purely subjective matter? You have got to be kidding me. Also interesting that you bring up Kojima, who was inspired to make games in the first place by Yuji Horii's Portopia Serial Murder Case (as well as SMB), and who's games are clearly more influenced by Portopia than by anything Miyamoto has made.

And why do I get the impression you're only citing them because they agree with you? Do you truly hold Wright and Kojima in high enough regard that you'd consider their opinion on this even if it didn't agree with yours?

Face the facts; nobody has a resume that good in gaming.
There's more to being an important game designer than the length and quality of your resume. Sometimes a single game can be more significant than an entire life's work, and sometimes a developer's writings can inspire far more budding developers and move the medium forward more than any game they make.

not Gunpei Yokoi,
A man responsible for a game who's genre now bears it's name, and who is practically the father of handheld gaming?

not Richard Garriott,
Creator of arguably the single most influential CRPG franchise in history?

He's a creator of the highest caliber, who has put the passion of gaming before the bottom dollar. Despite his tenure and success, he refuses to accept a higher salary than the majority of his development team and he is noted for his humility in an industry dominated by greed and egos.
I never said he wasn't important or great - I said he's not a god; when he dies, he is not going to ascend into the heavens to become the patron deity of gaming. He may be part of the Pantheon, but he is not the One True God. As for humility, that's debatable.

I'm deeply sorry if you can't accept that some people might not agree that Shigeru Miyamoto is the greatest game designer to have ever lived and is head-and-shoulders above all of his peers, but frankly, that's your problem, not mine.
MY problem? I view him as the greatest game developer of all time in a sea of great talent. That's not MY problem. You're apparently the one that was so bothered by MY (and MovieBob's, and Will Wright's, and Cliff Blizinski's, and Hideo Kojima's) opinion you felt the need to post your disdain for that preference and then launch into a tirade where you ignore or discredit the very examples I just submitted ("see, he only worked on the Wii version of Punch-out!!, not Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!... so, er, I guess he's never worked on Punch-Out!! like I originally claimed!")

Fine. Let's not trust the "dubiously" sourced Wikipedia. Eurogamer, IMDB, GiantBomb, IGN, Gamespy, CVG, and other sources confirm the very same list wikipedia details quite thoroughly (including him producing Killer Instinct for the SNES/Super Famicom... NOT the original Arcade, which you may be thinking of).

And for the record, I wasn't trying to be funny. I love cult games too (from Psychonauts to To the Moon to Shadows of the Damned). Hell, I love American McGee enough that I bought the Art of Alice: Madness Returns book and got him to sign it himself! I'm not knocking their work, because I adore it... but American McGee, like Suda51, is rather niche. Games that deserved higher sales and acclaim... but their influence isn't widely felt in this industry.

But, fine, you mention Gunpei Yokoi. I never said he WASN'T one of the most influential men in gaming. He pioneered Nintendo handhelds and was instrumental in Metroid and Kid Icarus. If the man had not died tragically in a car accident, I wager he'd be revolutionizing the industry alongside Miyamoto to this day. But that's not the case. Metroid games are beloved, but I can only name Castlevania, Shadow Complex, and to a minor degree Shantae as games that are blatantly influenced by Metroid's design, and, not to discredit him, but portable games existed long before the GameBoy, or even the Game & Watch, existed, though he popularized them. He's a great creator and I miss him terribly (he kept Sakamoto in line...), but his field of work was limited, partially due to his untimely death.

And Richard Garriott? God bless him for Ultima, even if he had zero success outside of that franchise. It was a revolutionary CRPG and paved the way for MMORPGs... but, again, he popularized these games, yet they existed LONG before 1981's Ultima hit store shelves. Computer RPGs like "Rogue" by Michael Toy and Glenn Wichman beat Garriott to the punch by a fear years, as did CRPGs like Temple of Apshai and Akalabeth: World of Doom. Aren't you doing exactly what you're accusing me of doing, putting creators like Gunpei Yokoi and Richard Garriott on a pedestal and crediting them for pioneering ideas others had first? Not saying these creators didn't do great things or create great games that caught on with the public, but it's like saying Grand Theft Auto III invented sandbox gaming with vehicles when that same team did the same thing a few years earlier on Body Harvest for N64.

Let me quote what you said, "There's more to being an important game designer than the length and quality of your resume. Sometimes a single game can be more significant than an entire life's work, and sometimes a developer's writings can inspire far more budding developers and move the medium forward more than any game they make."

Okay. Sure. And Miyamoto's resume is LONG (over 120 titles) and FULL of series that are the absolute most successful in the world (Mario and Zelda in particular). BUT... he ALSO has those "single games" that "inspired far more budding developers". From the works of Will Wright (godfather of the simulation genre), to the ideas of Hideo Kojima (pioneer of cinematic game narrative), to the game ethics of Cliff Blizinski (developer of Unreal Tournament and Gears of War), to so many others as an inspiration to them either to get into video games, or how to approach making video games.

TIME magazine called him the "greatest video game creator of all time" and the "Spielberg of video games'; The Academy of Interactive Arts and Science acknowledged him as the "most important person in video games" and was the first person put into the Hall of Fame; various sites, from IGN to Gametrailers, have named him the "greatest game creator of all time"; he's been formally acknowledged by the Japanese and French governments.

Both Super Mario Bros AND The Legend of Zelda are considered two of the most successful game franchises ever (Mario is flat-out number 1), and news media, journalists, magazines, and Miyamoto's own peers have called them the most influential games ever made. You can look these up in TIME, Wired, CVG, and TLC.

Your opinion that Miyamoto is either not as influential as everyone else thinks, or is overrated, is in the minority, not just amongst gamers, but also industry professionals, developers, and journalists.

But, here, let me go casual here and see what Urban Dictionary's preferred definition is for Shigeru Miyamoto: "The greatest video game creator who ever lived and ever will live! Shigeru has the imagination and talent to create extremely popular franchises such as Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, etc. He is the master at FUN, which is what Nintendo is all about! In other words: Shigeru Miyamoto is the GOD of the video games industry."

Feel free to disagree, but you're opinion is most definitely not shared by the majority of gamers, industry insiders, or even fellow developers. You'd probably have much better success trying to convince people that Walt Disney wasn't the most influential cartoon creator of all time and that we should all bow down to Richard Williams, Don Bluth, and Winsor McCay.
Why do I get the feeling that you really like Miyamoto?
 

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If the Oscars Were the VGAs....

Famous movie making companies will spam their fans twitter accounts saying "Vote for **** as the most anticipated movie of the year", then later they will spam again saying "you can vote daily for this, so vote for **** in daily basis". Then loyal fans will spam the voting system for their favorite movie making company.

At the end, the winner will say "Hooray we won!" and try to forget that the results never shows the actual count of people who are anticipated about their movie.
 

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I still surprised people take it seriously. At least with some people I know in real life and online, the Game Developer's Choice awards and the Interactive Arts and Sciences awards were followed with more credibility.

Even the Video Game BAFTAs is better than the VGAs despite it's odd choice of categories and nominees sometimes.
I don't know about "Game Developer's Choice awards", but "The Interactive Arts and Sciences awards" is actually something really worthy.
 

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I felt more sorry for Hideo Kogima when he was on the VGAs. He looked completely lost, as if he'd just been dropped into it with no rehearsal.

Also, Charlie Sheen? CHARLIE SHEEN!? Come on, at least make an attempt to keep it within the games industry. They could have brought in Vin Diesel, what with his roles in Wheelman and the Riddick series, and still appealed to both their Spike/Gamer demographic and the rest of the gamer demographic.
He was there because of his character as TIM.... I guess....
 

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Sporky111 said:
I felt more sorry for Hideo Kogima when he was on the VGAs. He looked completely lost, as if he'd just been dropped into it with no rehearsal.

Also, Charlie Sheen? CHARLIE SHEEN!? Come on, at least make an attempt to keep it within the games industry. They could have brought in Vin Diesel, what with his roles in Wheelman and the Riddick series, and still appealed to both their Spike/Gamer demographic and the rest of the gamer demographic.
He was there because of his character as TIM.... I guess....
You guess wrong, the Illusive Man was played by Martin Sheen.
 

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hideo kojima didn't have to attend... It's not like he was under duress.
or was he....
Female news voice: *...And in another news story hideo kojima was kidnapped from his home last week only to show up bound and gaged at the VGAs in the trunk of Jason Statham's car. Some are saying it was an elaborate stunt to draw attention to the newest videogame edition of "The transporter III" by Rockstar games which will be out later this fall.*

If the Oscars were the VGAs Jason Statham would be the limo driver. for. every. single guest. He's just that good... >.>

Now if you'll excuse me I have to figure out which of the 8 broken quests I have in my quest log I'm going to do in Skyrim...
 

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That's why I avoid the VGA like the plague. This coming from someone who loves, and grew up with, video games. There sould be better people to run VGAs then Spike.
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs, Watchmen would lose Best Superhero Movie to X-Men Orgins: Wolverine.

*Shudder*
 

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If the Oscars were the VGA's, Twilight would win every award.

Oh wait, we have MTV for that!
 

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If the Oscars were the VGA's...

micheal bay would win awards for best cinematography and shia leboof would win best actor.


i feel dirty just typing that, i need a shower....
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs, films like Inception, Social Network, etc. would not exist, and there might have been a sequel to Avatar consisting of nothing but that fight scene at the end.

... Oh, and I would have an even bigger reason why to never, EVER watch TV. Ever.
 

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I'm getting more than a little sick of Bob's uber geek crap here. We all know the VGAs are a fucking joke, but Bob's constant dismisal of the current state of the industry is more than a little grating. Nintendo doesn't rule the world anymore, more people are into games than just reclusive geeks, and the industry is thriving. The man needs to accept the fact that the vast majority of FPS players aren't the villainous jocks from every nerd movie ever made. There needs to be more than one voice of reason and wisdom on this site because Bob's constant dismisal and even belittleing of the FPS genre and its fans is wearing out its welcome.
 

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Vault101 said:
Jennacide said:
Nice jab at the Mark Hamill fiasco. I refuse to ever watch the VGAs, I'm not giving the drivel ratings, but I heard about Tara Strong's super angry tweet about what they did to him. Which brings up two questions: why would you disrespect MARK FUCKING HAMILL, and what in the living hell was the cast of the Jersey Shore even doing there?
what did they do to mark hamil?...

and jersy shore??

.....fuck....just

...fuck
Tara Strong posted a very angry Tweet mentioning what happened, it was never on camera, but a few people there reinforced her claim. Basically, they put the morons from Jersey Shore in the front row, who don't even fucking belong there, and she and Mark Hamill were in the very last rows, when they had actually been in one of the biggest games of the year. She was accepting that maybe she doesn't have as much star power, but Mark Hamill is a pop culture icon.
 

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JoeThree said:
Waaah! Gaming is diverse and I only like diversity when it involves black people and women, not people with differences than me beyond the surface! Waaaah!

PS: Felicia Day will never touch your penis, no matter how white a knight you are.
wow that was nice
 

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If the Oscars were the VGAs, Fast Five would of been nominated for picture of the year, but The Expendables would of won.

But seriously, the VGAs are a sourge on gaming. They do little more than demonize the whole industry and make us all seem like extremely immature.

Oh, and did they actually teabag someone on stage? Seriously? I can't even imagine Spike TV stooping that low...