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Swifteye said:
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WTF what the hell is wrong with Youngblood? I own many Youngblood comics including the first five issues. I like the style, the grittiness, and compared to other titles of the time was a bit more mature.

Must be his whole "The 90's sucked" mindset. I'll grant you not a lot of good came out of the 90's but not everything that was from that decade sucked.
Are you familiar with a reviewer named linkara? He reviews comics and one of his main targets are the usual rob liefeld type comics. Stuff like youngblood was a failed attempt at grittiness that was initially acheived by frank miller and alan moore and for most people the art style was considered heavily laced with cheesecake and extremely out of synch with human physiology. As a kid who grew up in the 90s I can see how if you liked comics it was a pretty rough decade but if you were into stuff like cartoons there's no better decade and i'd stand by that forever!
*clears throat* Yes ive heard of Linkara someone posted a link to his review of Youngblood#1...Well lets just say i was burning with white-hot rage through most of the video. His picks and pokes are juvenile at worst and unprofessional at best. He expects everything to be realistic and meticulousness detailed, it was 1992 for pity's sakes give some credit where its due. I would love to personally debate that Linkara till one of us broke down.


Techniqually Frank & Alan already invented the darker side of comics. I agree with what Bob said with reguards that it wasnt the art it was the story, and it wasnt that it was dark it was just very well thought out. Cheesecake? Out of sync with human physiology? What are we talking physics or Comics? Its a comic, set in a fictional world, it doesnt have to be realistic. If thats the case someone should have told DC a loooong time ago. What is this fascination with realism? Your reading a comic book to escape realism, you leave your logical side out of it.


As for the 80's vs 90's cartoon debate...Well its tough for me to say. I was born in mid 80's, my parents recorded hours upon hours of cartoons when I was a toddler and I was raised on that, and living in europe in the late 80's they recieved the shows later than the us so i watched them all over again. The 80's gave birth to some of the most awesome and inspired toons but they where only a handful.

The 90's I remembered very well. Waking up early to watch toons. The 90's didnt have as many "awe inspireing" toons as the 80's but its in the 90's their where many that where quite good. So many shows where produced in the 90's but very few where bad. So in the 80's you had a handful of Iconic shows but not much else, the 90's you didnt have as many but you had more variety and almost guaranteed to see a good show.
 

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Primus1985 said:
Swifteye said:
Primus1985 said:
WTF what the hell is wrong with Youngblood? I own many Youngblood comics including the first five issues. I like the style, the grittiness, and compared to other titles of the time was a bit more mature.

Must be his whole "The 90's sucked" mindset. I'll grant you not a lot of good came out of the 90's but not everything that was from that decade sucked.
Are you familiar with a reviewer named linkara? He reviews comics and one of his main targets are the usual rob liefeld type comics. Stuff like youngblood was a failed attempt at grittiness that was initially acheived by frank miller and alan moore and for most people the art style was considered heavily laced with cheesecake and extremely out of synch with human physiology. As a kid who grew up in the 90s I can see how if you liked comics it was a pretty rough decade but if you were into stuff like cartoons there's no better decade and i'd stand by that forever!
*clears throat* Yes ive heard of Linkara someone posted a link to his review of Youngblood#1...Well lets just say i was burning with white-hot rage through most of the video. His picks and pokes are juvenile at worst and unprofessional at best. He expects everything to be realistic and meticulousness detailed, it was 1992 for pity's sakes give some credit where its due. I would love to personally debate that Linkara till one of us broke down.


Techniqually Frank & Alan already invented the darker side of comics. I agree with what Bob said with reguards that it wasnt the art it was the story, and it wasnt that it was dark it was just very well thought out. Cheesecake? Out of sync with human physiology? What are we talking physics or Comics? Its a comic, set in a fictional world, it doesnt have to be realistic. If thats the case someone should have told DC a loooong time ago. What is this fascination with realism? Your reading a comic book to escape realism, you leave your logical side out of it.


As for the 80's vs 90's cartoon debate...Well its tough for me to say. I was born in mid 80's, my parents recorded hours upon hours of cartoons when I was a toddler and I was raised on that, and living in europe in the late 80's they recieved the shows later than the us so i watched them all over again. The 80's gave birth to some of the most awesome and inspired toons but they where only a handful.

The 90's I remembered very well. Waking up early to watch toons. The 90's didnt have as many "awe inspireing" toons as the 80's but its in the 90's their where many that where quite good. So many shows where produced in the 90's but very few where bad. So in the 80's you had a handful of Iconic shows but not much else, the 90's you didnt have as many but you had more variety and almost guaranteed to see a good show.
Hmm. When I think I 80s cartoons I think of all those merchandising shows but that's probably because almost all of them have been revived on the hub for some reason (I don't need to mention the certain four legged animal that made quite the comeback recently do I?) Personally I'm not one of those people who really get bent up when it comes to stylistic choices and personally I kinda like the variety even if it does seem silly and unlike linkara I kinda don't mind seeing a sexy woman or a muscly man every now and again(that sounds weird in my head) but I've been friends with a lot of artist and they just whine and whine about those things and linkara is a comic artist and a comic nerd so it would be his MO to make such a complaint.

Personally. The realism is a bit taxing in any medium. Say what you will but I'll always choose quirky talking animals over human characters any day. too me it just makes writing more flexible(and it kinda makes character design more fun).
 

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Screw you, Larry Laffer was awesome. Love for Sail is probably the greatest adventure game of all time (or at least tied with Monkey 3).

Green Lantern should have cost around $100 mill at most. I liked it well enough, but in no way should it have been that expensive. Gotta drop most of the blame on the Direct (and the writers).

Duke is Duke. If you went in expecting anything else, meh. It is kind of shallow to just whine about the character. The game has issues, two weapons, regenerating health, etc. But like it or not, but Duke has mass appeal outside the artsy-fartsy "Games should be art!!" crowd. Just like how the Expendables made a hell of a lot more money than some people wanted it to.

DC Reboot. Dunno. I'd reboot all that crazy Batman dying crap out myself.
 

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Ah, Youngblood, one of the best examples for everything that was wrong about comics during the Dark Age. I still think one of the best slaps in the face to it was Alan Moore's complete retooling of Supreme (also a Leifeld creation) that slammed everything that was excessive, childish, and stupid about the industry during that time. See also, Kingdom Come
 

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teebeeohh said:
nobody thought that duke nukem would be good, just not this bad.
also: not every game can be made better by putting the protagonist in animal costumes, the same way not every game is better by giving it a gritty reboot.
Sadly, people thought this game was going to be good. I should know, I had to hear about it practically every day for a year.

Now that it's out...I feel embarrassed to be a gamer to be honest...
 

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I am not really sure how I feel about this episode. Sure it makes a lot of great points, a lot which I agree with, but something about the delivery of the content anymore. Perhaps it is because I watch too much of Moviebob's work on the Escapist that I am reading so much into this, but the past few weeks I've felt a little scorned after I am done watching.

Why the temper Moviebob? Is everything okay? :/
 

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"Being excited for Duke Nukem is like being excited for a revival of Youngblood"

Ouch.
 

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I don't think people expected duke nukem to be good (lol), they just didn't expect it to try and be fucking halo.
The surprise isn't the antiquated game design, it's that it is not antiquated enough.
Why else do you think people made such a ruckus about the 2 weapon limit and the recharging health?
Surely not because they expected a good game, they wanted an old one.
Why wouldn't they expect it to try to be Halo? As far as I can tell, that's been the standard FPS MO for the past decade.

Also, I just got Russian in my captcha. Impressive, you guys.
 

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Something was wrong with your mike. It needs to be fixed. Thanks for vid. Good as usual.
 

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I don?t understand all the negativity about Duke Nukem. I liked the game and I know many people who liked it too. Maybe it?s that I am not a fan. A played the other DN games back in the day but I never waited for the new one. When I saw it I thought of it like an action movie where you relax and put your brain on hold. And I got what I wanted. I don?t know what people expected but this is not a bad game.
 

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Always nice to see the "Junk Drawer" series. But I'm afraid that's not the last time we hear about Green Lantern. I'm sensing good ol' Bob adopted a new 'I hate you' movie, like Transformers and The Expendables were.
 

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Srdjan Tanaskovic said:
hipster666 said:
You stayed for the credits?!! :eek:
Nope

movie ain't even out in Sweden yet

But I found a clip on youtube
Ha ha now THAT makes a whole lot more sense. Tried getting an online clip after your comment and damned if it didn't take ages to find one that WB hadn't had pulled due to copyright! WTF!
 

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Primus1985 said:
WTF what the hell is wrong with Youngblood? I own many Youngblood comics including the first five issues. I like the style, the grittiness, and compared to other titles of the time was a bit more mature.

Must be his whole "The 90's sucked" mindset. I'll grant you not a lot of good came out of the 90's but not everything that was from that decade sucked.
Go check out Linkaras show "Atop The 4th Wall" review of Youngblood at www.thatguywiththeglasses.com
I don't mean to say you are wrong, but I have a feeling Bob and Linkara have about the same view on the 90's. Personaly I'm with Bob, I haven't read Yougblood myself, but the artwork and design is horrible, and most atempts to make something more "mature" I personally think are riddicoulus.
 

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You missed the point of the Duke Nukem drama entirely. The game wasn't bad because our modern enlightened minds demand something more refined. No. The game was bad because it wasn't a Duke Nukem game. Too linear. No guns for the first half a God-forsaken hour of the game. Conservative supply of enemies. Too many fuffing about minigames. So on and so forth.

Had they made a decent sequel with open levels with good Serious Sam-style gameplay and solid weaponry ( especially without the shitting stupid 2 weapon limit ) everything would have been golden.
 

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So 90% of "random whatever" is just telling people to stop being stupid about everything?

...Yeah, I can see that.

Arkynomicon said:
The shock with Duke Nukem Forever is that people was curious about what could justify 12 years of development. Turns out there was nothing in it to justify 12 years of development.
Too many people were expecting justification, but also the advertising went crazy trying to make it seem like some over-the-top badass game instead of a quick attempt to make sure those 12 years weren't a total loss.
 

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To completely ignore the parts commenters have focused on, what's the appeal of big trouble in little China? It just came across as a cheesy 80's action flick with an obsession with the very 80's sfx of lightning...
 

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TheSchaef said:
bojac6 said:
I can't find anything on there being an actual movie coming out. Where did you hear that?
I can't discount the possibility that it was a publicity stunt but there is this announcement on richardcastle.net:
http://www.richardcastle.net/news/production-begins-heat-wave

Which followed on from this trailer that showed at the previous Comic-Con:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmkkEuNMde0

Now it's entirely possible that the IRL stuff was just to promote a Laura Prepon guest spot on the show, but that seems a little TOO meta after publishing the books mentioned on the show and then showing this trailer.
Everything in the trailer is from the show though. There's nothing that is either from new scenes or features Laura Prepon. I think the production crew just had fun editing stuff together. I don't think the movie is actually happening. It's a lot tougher to get a movie made than to write a pretty generic crime thriller novel.
 

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I just wanted to thank you, MovieBob, for using a Fraggle Rock character as the thumbnail for this video. Bless you, sir, bless you.

By the way, though, I STILL haven't stopped waiting for Bruce to get his big break. *sigh*
 

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I'm inclined to agree with the Duke Nukem bit. I do not have the nostalgia factor (though I do remember gazing wide-eyed when I was younger, while my brother played it) but I'm not surprised that it's not that good.