The Big Picture: Junk Drawer Rises

[Corran006]

Movie Bob is trying so hard to hate The Dark knight rises for some reason, he always seems to take a swipe at it whenever possible. I could say the same thing about super Mario, is it not been enough by now? Or how about side scrollers in general. Bob does have a point about Cod vs Mario though.

As for Brave IGN was really not all that impressed with it saying it was just another princess story all about girl power, which is another thing that has been beaten to death. However that is just their view point, I will be interested how Movie bob feels about the film once he has been able view it.


First we had action movies with the strong men that were done to death but I think the girl power movies are on the right track to also being overplayed.

 

[ritchards]

Haven't heard of Wreck-It-Ralph, however since the overriding sense I'm getting is that unless you can identify every single cameo character in the movie, this movie isn't for you... I'm not going to bother with it...

 

[CronoT]

What I'm more concerned about with the Wreck-It Ralph trailer is how the game the title character is in glosses over the concept of imminent domain, and then does jack-squat with it!

I know this is supposed to be a kid's movie, but with all the video game references in it, how many 6-12 year old's are really going to get it? Also, Fix-It Felix is a clear reference to Bob the Builder. So, is Disney trying to say that Felix is the stooge of the real villain, since he's the one propping up the system?



Or am I just reading too much into all this?

But seriously, the imminent domain thing has me really grinding my gears. I hope it gets addressed in the movie.

 

[RaikuFA]

Movie Bob is trying so hard to hate The Dark knight rises for some reason, he always seems to take a swipe at it whenever possible.

I think he's trying to stop himself from fanboying over DKR. TV Tropes calls it Hype Backlash. It's just to prevent him from thinking its the Second Coming then be upset when it isn't.

 

[aarontg]

The end reminded me how much I want a deadpool movie.

 

[scw55]

I liked the scene in Brave trailer where her dress bursts.
It parodies how impractical female wear is.
It's a metaphor for what she is going. She was a generic girl as a caterpillar and burst into what she is as a butterfly in front of everyone to prove her worth. I can't spell the various terms for the in between stage.

Pixar + Pretty + Looks to be tackling gender equality smartly = going to be a good Film.

 

[Tanis]

But in the new CoD they ADDED A FRELLING 2 TO THE COVER!
omg INVATORS!!!!

But, seriously?
Yeah...can't say I'm really disagreeing with you on any of these parts.

Except, maybe, I wish they chose another black guy for that movie.
I just can't take him seriously anymore.

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

I didn't realize Wreck-It Ralph was a movie. I thought it was some Donkey Kong esque indie game <.< Needless to say I am now excited about a Disney movie for first time since I was eight.

Up until Galaxy each new Mario game was different enough from the last for the series to remain fresh. But look at the series now: New Super Mario Bros, New Super Mario Bros 2, New Super Mario Bros Wii, New Super Mario Bros Wii U...all these games look, sound, and play essentially the same. Why should Mario get a free pass to stagnate just because it innovated in the past? There have been 5 modern CoD games, and with 4 NSMBs Mario is quickly catching up.

It just seems like a double standard. Just as people are willing to play the same CoD game every year there are people willing to play the same Mario game every year. Neither series is bad by any stretch, they're all very well made games, but they're also cash cows for their respective publishers who treat them as such.

Agree so much with this. I personally love getting my annual sports game fix (pes or fifa, though I didn't actually buy one this year) and while it fair to say they are pretty samey it is unfair to say they don't innovate at all and screw it I like sports and I like games, so putting the two together is okay in my book. The same can be said for COD though I hate to admit it. Recent Mario games have begun innovate less and blend into each other but they will get a free pass on it because it is Nintendo and for some reason swapping out old power ups for new ones is more innovative that updated rosters and new guns in Nintendo fan logic.

 

[Podunk]

If Deathstroke the Terminator is in that crappy-looking 'Arrow' show I will have to watch it regardless. That is pretty much the only DC character I genuinely and unabashedly like.

 

[FEichinger]

Haven't we reached the point where maybe, just maybe, we've seen enough Mario for a while?

While I do agree with the points Bob made ... The choice of words on that Batman point was off. First arguing about "innovation" and different-features-of-multiple-incarnations-of-X being better than multiple-incarnations-of-X then going on to broadly claim there was "too much Batman" recently ... Well, it does sound contradictory.
I do kinda get the drift of Batman being overused and oversaturated, while Mario feels "fresh" every time ... But ... yeh, as I said: Poor choice of words.

 

[irishda]

When zombies die, then all the batman stuff can die too.

 

[hermes]

Haven't we reached the point where maybe, just maybe, we've seen enough Mario for a while?

Pretty much this.

And as a fan of the EA Sports NHL franchise, I think it's asinine to talk about how much Mario has innovated and then say those games haven't innovated at all. It just comes off as super pretentious.

"Yeah. I grew up with the NES. My franchise of choice is better than YOUR franchise of choice."

I grew up with an NES too. I'm just not a pretentious ass about it.

Lets see though...

Me: I like platformers, RPGs and beat em ups.

People who only play sports titles/CoD and only those: NOOOOOO THOSE ARE NOT REAL GAMES, YOU HAVE TO PLAY CoD!!!

Me: But CoD isn't for me, I do like other FPS like Serious Sam, Resistance and the like.

Nincompoop: YOU DON'T DESERVE TO PLAY GAMES!!! ONLY MY GAMES SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE MADE!!!

Don't happen all the time, but its annoying. Plus saying CoD isn't your cup of tea yet you like Mario gets you some vile hate mail, even on here.

You realize that is the same attitude Mobiebob is endorsing here, right?

Just reverse the names, and you will notice a pattern on his speech that says "COD does not innovate, Madden does not innovate. Mario is a true innovation force in this industry!" Not saying that Mario games are bad games, and I don't even like COD or sports games; but to judge them on a different light just because "its Mario" is typical fanboy pattern.

In fact, Mario innovates just as little. All the people that complains about COD relegating innovation to "new perks and weapons" need to be more critical to a game that introduces a new blue flower that shoots ice, instead of a red one that shoots fire. Is that what passes for innovation now? How about a green one that shoots acid and a brown one that shoots rocks. Maybe that is enough to justify an entire new game.

 

[irishda]

Movie Bob is trying so hard to hate The Dark knight rises for some reason, he always seems to take a swipe at it whenever possible.

I think he's trying to stop himself from fanboying over DKR. TV Tropes calls it Hype Backlash. It's just to prevent him from thinking its the Second Coming then be upset when it isn't.

Where you been? Bob's a Marvel man. That's why he creamed himself over every single Marvel movie leading to the Avengers.

 

[DrScoobs]

movie bob's argument: mario was revolutionary once, therefore the franchise is impervious to criticism.

 

[MB202]

The thing with the Mario side-scrollers and all the "mainstream" Mario games are all pretty much made in-house by Nintendo EAD, Nintendo EAD Tokyo, etc., while the Mario spin-offs are made by different divisions of Nintendo or by straight-up third party developers. Is it really that much of a stretch to ask Nintendo maybe, just made, to add a bit more variety to their own games that they, themselves, make? Like another Super Mario Bros. 2-style game? That would be sweet...

Also, who's the Beholder?

Dungeons and Dragons

Thanks

I guess with SMB2 style you mean more playabe characters?
But then, we can see the ill-fated road the Sonic franchise has taken with completely asinine and unlikable character that got their own major playmodes in games and we saw how THAT turned out. Frankly, seeing how Waluigi hasn't still be euthanized, I'm happy that Nintendo is focusing their core Mario games on just Luigi and the other one.

Um, no, by "Super Mario Bros. 2 style", I meant the actual GAMEPLAY style of throwing stuff. THAT was fun!

 

[brazuca]

Bob you are wrong in one point! CoD did not inovate in going Modern Warfare. Battlefield did it before.

 

[TJC]

The thing with the Mario side-scrollers and all the "mainstream" Mario games are all pretty much made in-house by Nintendo EAD, Nintendo EAD Tokyo, etc., while the Mario spin-offs are made by different divisions of Nintendo or by straight-up third party developers. Is it really that much of a stretch to ask Nintendo maybe, just made, to add a bit more variety to their own games that they, themselves, make? Like another Super Mario Bros. 2-style game? That would be sweet...

Also, who's the Beholder?

Dungeons and Dragons

Thanks

I guess with SMB2 style you mean more playabe characters?
But then, we can see the ill-fated road the Sonic franchise has taken with completely asinine and unlikable character that got their own major playmodes in games and we saw how THAT turned out. Frankly, seeing how Waluigi hasn't still be euthanized, I'm happy that Nintendo is focusing their core Mario games on just Luigi and the other one.

Um, no, by "Super Mario Bros. 2 style", I meant the actual GAMEPLAY style of throwing stuff. THAT was fun!

Aside from the original SMB 1 and 2 (aka lost levels) and Super Mario Land... where is he NOT throwing stuff?
Just kidding, I get what you mean. Something that makes it feel fresh again. I was horribly disappointed from NSMB for the DS back then. No challenge and the Wall jump didn't make the levels as sprawly and exploration-worthy as expected :C

Will check this one out but I doubt I'll actually buy it.

 

[RaikuFA]

Haven't we reached the point where maybe, just maybe, we've seen enough Mario for a while?

Pretty much this.

And as a fan of the EA Sports NHL franchise, I think it's asinine to talk about how much Mario has innovated and then say those games haven't innovated at all. It just comes off as super pretentious.

"Yeah. I grew up with the NES. My franchise of choice is better than YOUR franchise of choice."

I grew up with an NES too. I'm just not a pretentious ass about it.

Lets see though...

Me: I like platformers, RPGs and beat em ups.

People who only play sports titles/CoD and only those: NOOOOOO THOSE ARE NOT REAL GAMES, YOU HAVE TO PLAY CoD!!!

Me: But CoD isn't for me, I do like other FPS like Serious Sam, Resistance and the like.

Nincompoop: YOU DON'T DESERVE TO PLAY GAMES!!! ONLY MY GAMES SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE MADE!!!

Don't happen all the time, but its annoying. Plus saying CoD isn't your cup of tea yet you like Mario gets you some vile hate mail, even on here.

You realize that is the same attitude Mobiebob is endorsing here, right?

Just reverse the names, and you will notice a pattern on his speech that says "COD does not innovate, Madden does not innovate. Mario is a true innovation force in this industry!" Not saying that Mario games are bad games, and I don't even like COD or sports games; but to judge them on a diffeIrent light just because "its Mario" is typical fanboy pattern.

In fact, Mario innovates just as little. All the people that complains about COD relegating innovation to "new perks and weapons" need to be more critical to a game that introduces a new blue flower that shoots ice, instead of a red one that shoots fire. Is that what passes for innovation now? How about a green one that shoots acid and a brown one that shoots rocks. Maybe that is enough to justify an entire new game.

Did you see his twitter and blog posts? He just said he was happy about them and people said he has no right playing games since its Mario. I really don't blame him or anyone lashing out at CoD or Madden fans because the CoD or Madden fans are throwing a tantrum over what is esensally "Stop liking what I don't like." Plus both sides are the pot calling the kettle black over innovation. Just play your games and stop attacking each other over this stuff.

 

[jedizero]

Man, Bob puts so much work into these videos....

Too bad I don't give a shit about his opinion since he told me that I'm an entitled little shit because I'm actually saying "Hey, if you don't fix this, I'm going to take my money elsewhere." Like you can do in a capitalist society.

Though I will say that I am looking forwards to Wreck-it Ralph.

 

[Rad Party God]

Haven't we reached the point where maybe, just maybe, we've seen enough Mario for a while?

NO! THERE CAN NEVER BE ENOUGH MARIO!!!!!!!! [small]Or Tanooki for that matter.[/small]

I'm with Bob in this one, and it's something I noticed for a long while, people whine and complain about "having too much Mario" while we keep seeing annual releases of Madden (or Fifa if you live in Mexico or the UK) and Call of Duty without any single innovation and they still sell like crazy (read: millions), while Mario is probably the only videogame property to have as many awesome games in as many genres possible, with the possible exception of a first person shooter (if you exclude Yoshi's Safari for the SNES).