- Aug 12, 2009
Aulleas123 said:You have a point that the infrastructure is publicly built, which is what I loosely mentioned. However almost any form of transportation is going to have some privatization along with public oversight.
If you run a ground, air, or sea freight service, it's doesn't have to be owned by the government. Individual companies own FedEx and UPS, not the government. They work with government but most of their business is an exchange between private hands. However, what I meant was with all of these forms of transportation, they often have public regulation. Most of this is completely reasonable and necessary, but to think that government runs these companies is just not true. I don't think that's what you meant, but it's what I meant to argue against.tokugawa98 said:Why? I completely fail to see why this would be true and I haven't so far read an argument making this point
Aulleas123 said:My whole point is that the public side is not doing so hot right now, so it would not be unreasonable for private business to pick up the pieces. Sure, it'll need public oversight, I'd be alarmed if it didn't. But every truck on the road and airplane in the air is not government owned, most of these are owned through businesses.
I actually disagree with you here. To say that we will not advance the field outside of governments' help doesn't seem to fit history. When Bell invented the telephone, he did it with his own innovation and not government funding. The same can be said of the light bulb, the personal computer, and the airplane. Government latched on to some these ideas later and helped to innovate them further, but the original innovation was not necessarily the work of government. In the case of space travel, government did start the process and now have let it go. I think it can mature to a point either that the private sector will take it over or government will become interested again. Only time will tell which one will happen.tokugawa98 said:The problem being, of course, that air travel was partially privatized when the technology was relatively mature. And this maturation is what's not gonna happen in space travel if governments pull out, since there's as of yet no money to be made of it.
Aulleas123 said:Also, you make a claim about research and development, I'm pretty sure that Boeing is not publicly owned. Their whole thing is creating innovation from aviation research. Some of which would be federally funded through contracts, however much of it is done through private means as well.
Ferdinand von Zeppelin paid for the invention of the Zeppelin out of pocket. The Wright brothers received no federal funding. And SpaceShipOne was privately funded too. These are just aviation innovations. I could go on with other innovations but I think that would take too much time.tokugawa98 said:Not publicly owned, but much of it publicly funded. And when you look at actual aviation break-throughs or for that manner, other scientific/technological break-throughs, how many were privately financed?
Aulleas123 said:After all, Chewie and Han didn't fly on a government owned starship, did they?
Hey, I like capitalist societies far more than any other type of society (as you can tell!). But to each their own.tokugawa98 said:I know, you're just kidding but still...if capitalism doesn't give the incentives to develop space travel, then Chewie and Han simply don't fly at all or we first need a regression to a quasi-feudal dictatorship which then develops the technology without a profit motive - but also for use in a world in which I'd wanna live even less than in a capitalist one.