The Big Picture: Oscars: The Grouse

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CAPITALISM IS WEEEEEEIRD!

I hate it when he says he's running out of time and it's been less than five minutes. I don't think he's limited to any less than 10 minutes and even that seems too short.
 

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Cineplex Odeon, one of the big Canadian theatre chains, seems to understand this. They've started one-off Classic Film nights, letting you see Hollywood Classics on the big screen (just saw The Godfather last night), and are currently running their "Digital Film Fest", an opportunity to see some much loved 80s films in theatres. I think it's brilliant--January to April is usually the worst time of year for movies, so bring people in to watch things they actually love.

Aiddon said:
While we're at it, it's kind of embarrassing how Max von Sydow, who's been in TONS of the legendary Bergman's films, was nominated for THIS pile of tripe. A big problem is that the Oscars are pretty much lifetime achievement awards a lot of the time (mostly for actors). This just brings up a gigantic question: WHY NOT JUST GIVE PEOPLE LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARDS????? Hell, Kirk Douglas got one in the 90s for how famous he was.
I know exactly what you mean. Scorsese gets his Oscar for The Departed, a good remake but not Goodfellas or Raging Bull. Denzel gets his for Training Day, an excellent performance but no Malcolm X. Beginners is fairly well-regarded, but is it the film Christopher Plummer should get his "lifetime achievement" Oscar for?
 

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I still proberly won't watch the oscars until 'The Hobbit' comes out. I don't see as many movies as I used to and i'd like to know roughly whats going on. Not to mention they don't seem to EVER nominate animated films whichs bugs me. Is that a rule or something or the fact most are aimed at kids?
 

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Mischlings said:
The real question is, how would you fix this problem? I'm at a loss for the moment -- I have no idea right now how I'd suggest you make the Oscars less "broken".
I've love to see MovieBob's thoughts on this as well. Unfortunately when it comes to Best of the Year awards people have often forgotten the first 4-6 months of the year so I rather understand why all of the Oscar-bait gets released in such a short time frame.

An idle thought, but what if the year was split into four-month periods, and a third of the nominees (at least for the major awards) had to come from each period? I think this would promote a more disperse release schedule without allowing for too much (more) abuse in that regard.
 

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I really don't get why there isn't an honest awards show for movies. Because thinking about it, you'll get the MTV movie awards that pander to the tween crowds and have the newest Twilight saga film win every year and then have the Oscars where something really dull with a checklist of "themes" will win despite nobody[/I] even knowing what that film is.

Something like Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 despite being well received, both critically and financially (being the ninth film to ever to gross over $1 billion), and earning so many other awards will never be considered for an Oscar. Despite meeting all the requirements, because it doesn't tick all the boxes that the Academy wants, it won't be up for best picture. Sure, it's nominated for best art direction, visual effects and make-up but is that all the credit it's being given? Because really, after reading that bit about Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close, I can think of no other film that deserves less to be on that list when I compare it to Harry Potter.

By the way, I'd like to point out that there were so many other great films last year but Harry Potter was just that one that I can't think deserved anything less than a nomination for Best Film.
 

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Very nice, Bob. I've always just skipped the show ever since they stopped featuring movies I would ever want to see as winners or even nominees, but it's good to see just how and why all these 'craft for awards committees' sake' (as opposed to art for art's sake, in case you were wondering) movies get made and released right around a time I might have actually wanted to go to a theater.
 

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really?
1 week, in 1 city to be considered for an Oscar?
really?
wow ... -.- no wonder shit i wouldn't ever watch keeps winning...
 

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I will say, I'm somewhat proud of this years Oscars as Bridesmaids of all movies got a couple of "big" nominations for best supporting actress and best original screenplay. It won't win either, but still.

Oh, wait. Jonah Hill's been nominated for best supporting actor. That pride didn't last long.

PunkRex said:
I still proberly won't watch the oscars until 'The Hobbit' comes out. I don't see as many movies as I used to and i'd like to know roughly whats going on. Not to mention they don't seem to EVER nominate animated films whichs bugs me. Is that a rule or something or the fact most are aimed at kids?
Um, did you miss the last two years? Both Up and Toy Story 3 got best picture nominations.
 

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Crimson_Dragoon said:
I will say, I'm somewhat proud of this years Oscars as Bridesmaids of all movies got a couple of "big" nominations for best supporting actress and best original screenplay. It won't win either, but still.

Oh, wait. Jonah Hill's been nominated for best supporting actor. That pride didn't last long.

PunkRex said:
I still proberly won't watch the oscars until 'The Hobbit' comes out. I don't see as many movies as I used to and i'd like to know roughly whats going on. Not to mention they don't seem to EVER nominate animated films whichs bugs me. Is that a rule or something or the fact most are aimed at kids?
Um, did you miss the last two years? Both Up and Toy Story 3 got best picture nominations.
Wow really!? I actually watched some last year and forgot about TS3, you give me happy thoughts, thanks guy.

Good to know Bridlemaids got some love to, that film was glorious.
 

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Crimson_Dragoon said:
Um, did you miss the last two years? Both Up and Toy Story 3 got best picture nominations.
Nominations, perhaps, but, as with Beauty and the Beast way back (which led to the creation of a new category for animated films), neither really stood a chance of winning.
 

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Well you know what move to a weird really off country where almost "no one" knows a word english (being sarcastic here) and try to see a movie you seen good reviews of within 1-6 months of it's american release...
Yea I'm talking about norway/sweden/denmark/finland seriosuly half of the movies I'm intressted in doesn't show up here before the DVD is released in US... And what for? The subs can't take that long and "release windows" and other crap like that (for example "Iron lady" had US premiere 30dec, swedish prem is 3feb...)

So I enjoy most kind movies all year around.... Sort of anyway...
 

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Who, sets the time limits on these videos? For what reason would you end things at five minutes when you are JUST getting to the stuff worth talking about?

:( I really want to know this, because to me this episode just fealt like a "what happened last time on..." right before the stuff you actually want to see and talk about.

-Genuine question here, not trying to troll or anything
 

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Of the oscar films nominated for the big one, only 1 could even called the "small independent film" that Bob was talking about, namely Midnight in Paris, which released months before "Oscar season" started, and even that is stretching it.
 

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MovieBob said:
Oscars: The Grouse

Why the Oscar process is "broken".

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You're Princess Summerfall Winterspring reference can't be that obscure. Stephen King references her in his latest novel. Thanks for giving me a face to put to that name ;)
 

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I find this video humorous considering Bob's favorite movie of 2011 was Tree of Life: The most blatant, pretentious, pointless, art house-y Oscar bait of the year that was made purely to entice "old people" and film snobs who eat up that stuff
 

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Sounds like the forums is making poor ol Bob a liiittle bitter
 

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Plinglebob said:
This (Extremely Loud) is the only film on the Best Film list I hadn't heard of this year, and thats a surprise for me as I like to keep up with film news. *runs and checks IMDB* Wow, a 9/11 story 10 years after. No wonder it got a nom. *watches trailer* I think I just got diabetes..
My wife is pretty easy to please. Give her bawling bait and she'll typically love it. I took her to the Descendents, we all enjoyed it, she asked me to go see Extremely Loud and having heard it stinks, declined. Next day she take the daughter (also not terribly hard to please) to see it. They both came home pretty pissed. Rotten movie can't even jerk tears right with softball material.

The Descendents tackles some material handled so much better in "Last Tango In Paris" but it does what it does pretty well, and the view of Hawaii are spectacular. National Review beat it up a bit because George Clooney does not make a very convincing schlub. I thought him OK.
 

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So basically, the American film industry is altered for the arbitrary by an old awards show that has at best limited usefulness. As opposed to release schedules being dictated by market forces or just whenever a film gets completed. You know, a rational distribution.

I say the Oscars have a limited usefulness because in this day and age, anyone can put out their list of the best films of a given year, and expect to reach a large audience. Isn't it better to have the "best films" be determined by a number of different critics individually (with time for them to explain their justifications for the choices) than to have a bunch of people anonymously vote for one award show? I don't know, just seems unnecessary to me.
 

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Not really. It's incredibly cliched, has almost every major Oscar motif/theme/plot device, and it's completely over the top in terms of melodrama. As if we haven't ever seen a film about a rich guy who ends up living a more enriched life by getting the help of someone of another class, or a film about some dude with a "loveable" impediment that he has to overcome in order to achieve something important, etc.
Stammer and stage fright are not "loveable" impediments. The reason why 'The King's Speech' won Oscars was because it was a good film. It was popular with audiences, if you strip away the stuff about class, monarchy and everything else it is about two people who become friends through overcoming difficulty. The film managed to convey that through a good script, most notably in the scene with the model airplane. George is no longer a royal, he is just a man talking to a friend about his problems.

Also, on a personal level I found the opening scene of that film incredibly well-made. As someone who has acted on-stage I am all too familiar with that awful wrack of nerves before performing. That scene masterfully recreated that feeling by increasing the tension through the image of the blinking light and the extended silence before the disastrous speech, close-up shots of the speaker making it seem large and domineering. Also, Colin Firth was totally convincing in his portrayal of utter fear. I've seen people backstage, nervous about their imminent performance and it was haunting how similar Colin Firth's face was to those people backstage.

Also, here's to hoping'The Artist' wins Best Picture. I must admit I was rather sad to hear it got 10 nominations because then it will get a load of undeserved hate.
 

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TownTattle said:
minuialear said:
Not really. It's incredibly cliched, has almost every major Oscar motif/theme/plot device, and it's completely over the top in terms of melodrama. As if we haven't ever seen a film about a rich guy who ends up living a more enriched life by getting the help of someone of another class, or a film about some dude with a "loveable" impediment that he has to overcome in order to achieve something important, etc.
Stammer and stage fright are not "loveable" impediments. The reason why 'The King's Speech' won Oscars was because it was a good film. It was popular with audiences, if you strip away the stuff about class, monarchy and everything else it is about two people who become friends through overcoming difficulty. The film managed to convey that through a good script, most notably in the scene with the model airplane. George is no longer a royal, he is just a man talking to a friend about his problems.

Also, on a personal level I found the opening scene of that film incredibly well-made. As someone who has acted on-stage I am all too familiar with that awful wrack of nerves before performing. That scene masterfully recreated that feeling by increasing the tension through the image of the blinking light and the extended silence before the disastrous speech, close-up shots of the speaker making it seem large and domineering. Also, Colin Firth was totally convincing in his portrayal of utter fear. I've seen people backstage, nervous about their imminent performance and it was haunting how similar Colin Firth's face was to those people backstage.

Also, here's to hoping'The Artist' wins Best Picture. I must admit I was rather sad to hear it got 10 nominations because then it will get a load of undeserved hate.
Ditto on that man. As someone heavily involved in voice acting, The King's Speech was fascinating on a personal level. I remember when I was really new how scary it was it get behind a professional mic. You'd think there'd be nothing to it, but I hear more and more stories of established stage/film actors who get behind a mic for the first time and are suddenly terrified. There's something about knowing that the mic is zeroing in on that specific part of you, picking up your every flub, word stumble, lip smack, popped P, etc. XD

And yeah, I hope The Artist gets a lot of awards. Maybe it's because I grew up with a Dad who would regularly sit me down and make me watch all sorts of old black and white movies, but I really did like it. Though I would complain that it drags a bit in places.

But did anyone else catch Bill Fagerbakke (Patrick Starr from Spongebob) as the window shopping cop near the end?