Mikeyfell said:
Wow... way to misquote me when my unaltered quote is right in front of you.
"You can't talk about sexism being bad"
some how turned into
"One cannot claim sexism"
That was not your initial statement. But lets suppose I did misquote you, which I admit might be probable when looking at the mineutia of what you said. It's still a wrong statement that does not understand the concept of sexism. If we take the contrast of your argument; "If you believe gender effects how people, or events are percieved, then you can't claim sexism is bad." it falls completely flat and doesn't make sense due to what sexism actually is.
Yes she does. She exclusively does that. in every Tropes Vs. Women video.
She attacks individual developers. and claims that the products they make are inherently misogynistic.
That is literally what Tropes Vs. Women does.
I have not seen a single example of this.
Maybe her parable of Miyamoto and the "Dinosaur Planet" game, but even then that's more rhetoric than actively attacking anyone. Simply criticizing an aspect of a game does not mean she's "attacking" individual developers. And, if anything, she actively states against the idea that the products are "inherently misogynistic" like how she says (paraphrasing) "It would be ridiculous to suggest that women should never be harmed in our media," or in the Damsel video how "That's not to say that women should never need help or rely upon other." She is
not against the use of these tropes, or portraying women in these certain scenarios, but the
extreme prevalence of these types of representations is problematic.
And developers are adults. They can take criticism [https://twitter.com/nullspeak/status/504045057507217408].
She completely ignores that anything you can do to a female NPC you can also do to a male NPC
Are male NPCs often portrayed in sexually provacative ways? Are male NPCs portrayed exactly the same way as female NPCs and in as much prevalence? You're trying to say that men and women are portrayed equally in every way, when that is ostensibly not the case.
And even if you ignored that, it's a moot point. She's not talking about male representation. She doesn't have to. She's talking about specifically female representation in games. They are two very similar, but very different topics under a whole branch of gender topics.
Except for the Watch_Dogs part where she says that all the male NPC's who get beat up or gunned down had it coming by calling them active aggressors
Being "active aggressors" doesn't mean they "had it coming", which is a complete projection on your part. All she stated was that in these events, men are generally portrayed to have more agency or a more active role in the event. The prevalence of men constantly being portrayed as "aggressive" and using violence as a solution is a whole 'nuther issue entirely, and one that I feel she semi-touches upon in the example we are talking about.
Older than dirt sales techniques and older than older than dirt storytelling techniques are bent to her will to make the uncreative out to be sexist
Has anyone been prevented at releasing any one of the games she has cited as having problematic representations of women? Has any other developer been prevented from releasing games with portrayals of women however they see fit since? For that matter, has Roger Ebert's criticisms of films and their portrayals of violence, women, minorities, etc... prevented anybody from making whatever movie they desired?
Also, it's quite possible to be uncreative and sexist at the same time. Because, like I and Sarkeesian and so many others state,
these tropes are used out of laziness.
Tropes Vs. Women...
Her series is called Tropes Vs. Women
If she was capable of seeing a fictional character as an individual she would never call her series Tropes Vs. Women
You are being disengenuous.
You originally stated "she looks at these
archetypes and sees 'representations of all women'". I pointed out this was wrong. Her entire series is about women, the general
concept (like how I can use "you" as a general term when regarding an audience) and how many of them are represented within these certain tropes.
What the fuck are you talking about?
What is it that you think you just said?
You reduced storytelling in games to "The bad guy does something bad..." and then bemoaned how others, as you perceive it, look "too deeply" so to say to find things they believe are sexist. This viewpoint does not allow us to look critically into our media.
No, it doesn't, because she never said that. I rewatched both of her most recent videos and there is nothing like that stated.
What original point? that is what you said. You were wrong.
I provided you with the exact quote instead of a paraphrased version
You said it was never said, I gave you the exact quote and the time stamp in the video. several time stamps
Um, yes it does? Your original claim was Sarkeesian stated that "she tries to say that the female NPC's are only there to give male gamers something pretty to shoot (Or some nonsense like that)" and I stated that, no, she did not say anything remotely close to that. You then proceeded to take direct quotes from her, which were nothing that extreme nor did they represent what your original argument was about.
by the dictionary definition of arbitrary
based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
there is no logical reason to refer to male NPC's as men and female NPC's as female NPC's so her diction was arbitrary.
Your decision to apply "arbitrary-ness" is itself arbitrary. There is plenty logical reason to refer to NPCs as male and female, mainly in how they are portrayed differently in games.
Not even close, I'm saying Anita Sarkeesian is sexist.
http://youtu.be/GpDnr2s9yxQ?t=1m34s
Listen to this clip and tell me she's not sexist (Up to 2:15, or fuck if I care watch the whole video)
She's not being sexist. Especially considering that she considers the song to be
equally creepy when sung by either gender, just with different connotations. Because there
are different contexts and connotations to people when we look at their gender, ethnicity, orientation, etc... When a man is harsh and commanding, he's "the boss". When a woman does so, she's "bossy" or "bitchy". When a white NFL player is aggressive in celebration, he's "pumped". When a black NFL player is aggressive in celebration, he's a "thug" [http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24417234].
Regardless of all that, she does not express "bigotry" towards men in that clip, she merely notes that, when looked at a certain way, the song can be expressive of a possesive relationship mentality that is a whole 'nuther topic all together.
