The Big Picture: Secret Crisis
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Dear Marvel,
Just lead your current cast to satisfactory endings and start making new stories with new people doing new things.
Sincerely,
The guy who got you bankrupted.
Seriously, it's baffling how much crossover there is between people who complain about the stagnation and serialisation of popular video game franchises and people who care about comic books.
Just lead your current cast to satisfactory endings and start making new stories with new people doing new things.
Sincerely,
The guy who got you bankrupted.
Seriously, it's baffling how much crossover there is between people who complain about the stagnation and serialisation of popular video game franchises and people who care about comic books.
I doubt it. Considering the fact that Mrs. Marvel is one of their best selling titles (it topped the charts in October) and many of its issues have had several reprints. If anything because she falls into the Inhuman side of things we are going to see an increase of her across different books.LordTerminal said:
Plus Marvel is really pushing diversity right now so it would look really bad on them if they pulled one of their biggest characters for that.
Edit: It was the graphic novel (collection of issues) of Mrs. Marvel that topped the charts not the monthly series itself.
The thing about that short term gain is that it's really, really big. Check the numbers here [http://www.newsarama.com/2295-marvel-sets-revenue-record-for-2008.html], for example. In 2008, the first year of the MCU, Marvel made $125 million from publishing, and $250 million from films. That being from two films including their first ever (Iron Man), and their worst reviewed and worst performing one (Incredible Hulk). So their first experimental foray into films, including their closest thing to failure to date, produced almost double the money that their comics did. Jump forward a few years and they've had more than one film make over a billion just at the box office. Throw in DVDs, merchandising, and so on, and they're easily making the same from one film that they could in a decade of comics.V4Viewtiful said:
And the thing is, comics aren't some constant thing that can always be relied on. They've never died out entirely, but they've had some serious downs. Marvel even went backrupt in the '90s. Messing with the comics to support the films might not last long term, and it might compromise the comics in the short term, but since a single successful film can easily cover problems with the comics for several years at least, I really don't think it can be called "wasted". Certainly not from Marvel's point of view at least. And of course, even if it doesn't work out in the long term, they can just do another reboot 10-15 years down the line. Which, let's be honest, is probably going to happen anyway.
about time, the Marvel reboot has been long overdue. Sure I'll miss the X-Men and Spider-Man not being as prominent as they should be in the grand scale of that universe but I'm still glad they'll be able to start a new hopefully X-23 and Wolverine can get a better shot a better characterization and actually be made into a father daughter relationship instead of the weird same person with different genders and ages thing they got now
as for the Ultimate universe, sure Miles Morales is amazing and I'm glad he's sticking around after Secret Wars, although I'm not sure how the character will work when he simply becomes a Spider-Man rather than the Spider-Man but maybe it'll be good... on the other hand I'm we're loosing Kitty Pryde and Mr.Fantastic Ultimate versions
as for the Ultimate universe, sure Miles Morales is amazing and I'm glad he's sticking around after Secret Wars, although I'm not sure how the character will work when he simply becomes a Spider-Man rather than the Spider-Man but maybe it'll be good... on the other hand I'm we're loosing Kitty Pryde and Mr.Fantastic Ultimate versions
Back when they first started the Ultimate Universe, I knew from day one it was going to cause issues down the road. There was never a particularly good reason to do it. When I started collecting, I just jumped in, and after reading for enough years, they would start to reference stories I had read, and that was neat. Of course, throw in the MCU, the Ultimate and the Continuity based universes and you basically have Crisis, which is what always has and always will break the DC Universe of books. Which is why I rolled my eyes the second they mentioned bringing back the Crisis idea in the "New 52". It breaks the whole reboot.
Also, it's annoying how they are trying to downplay the importance of books that were Marvel staples for what is now more than 50 years. The movies will not ever live up to what is done in the books and you risk alienating fans of what is some their hottest selling books.
Of course, this is clearly how they are going to bring Wolverine back. Not much of a death since we all knew he was coming back.
Also, it's annoying how they are trying to downplay the importance of books that were Marvel staples for what is now more than 50 years. The movies will not ever live up to what is done in the books and you risk alienating fans of what is some their hottest selling books.
Of course, this is clearly how they are going to bring Wolverine back. Not much of a death since we all knew he was coming back.
I love how many people glaze over what's being said and slide it into what they're used to. They are ending the Marvel Universe in that they're combining it with a bunch of other universes. The continuity still exists, the characters are still the same as they've been, but some will die, probably more from Alternate worlds than the main, and the worlds are merging.
It's essentially the stuff they liked from alternate worlds is going to come into the main universe, and some things from the main universe are just going to disappear.
It's essentially the stuff they liked from alternate worlds is going to come into the main universe, and some things from the main universe are just going to disappear.
The only thing about what you are saying is that movies and television, since they have been around have always dwarfed what comics make. Comics are niche, movies and television are not. It's not question of what is more profitable, it's a question of whether something is profitable.Kahani said:
Clearly they will use any overlap to bolster their comics business model though. The more like the movies this becomes, the more likely they are to endorse people into buying their way over priced books.
Easy 1 sentence ret-con: His Magnetic powers also affects his aging process like Wolverine's healing factor does.inu-kun said:
I'd suggest giving Dark Horse, Image, Boom!, and IDW a try. They cover pretty much all the genres that just don't seem to work for Marvel and DC.PetiteMoogle said:
As for SW...*shrug* I'm buying two books from Marvel solely on the basis of character loyalty. If those vanish in the aftermath of this event, I can spend my money elsewhere. With the exception of Ms Marvel, I haven't seen anything 'wow' worthy from Marvel or DC for a while.
The only contributions the Ultimate Universe should bring over are the mentioned Miles, Jessica Drew (Ultimate Spider-Woman and gender-swapped clone of Peter Parker) and Ultimate Reed Richards (aka Mr. Fantastic). He turned evil because he's a fundamentally different character than the classic Reed Richards. He also turns out to be a way more effective villain that any iteration of Dr. Doom. He destroyed Washington DC and in the process killed the President, the Cabinet, Congress and probably the Supreme Court though I don't think they ever mentioned that. There were so few people left that the Secretary of Energy was the guy next in line to inherit the Presidency. He gets defeated in an incredibly anti-climactic way because they replaced the author of that book with a new guy for the resolution but all in all he was pretty fun to read.
As a very casual guy when it comes to comics (as in I only peek in every now and then to see who is dead again, who's been resurrected again, and who they've replaced with a non-white or non-male character) I don't really like the sound of this idea. I always kinda liked having two different universes, since it allowed them to do basically whatever they wanted in one while keeping the other relatively normal (you know... normal for comics). Miles Morales in ultimate? Cool. As long as we still get good ol' Pete in one of these universes. But Morales possibly taking over the mantle of Spider-Man in the mainstream continuity despite being from an alternate universe? Severely less cool. That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about.
I know Magneto has been de-aged at least once in the books and was turned into a baby. Then later he was re-aged back to an adult. I'm pretty sure after Fatal Attractions and the end of the Age of Apocalypse story his age was fiddled with.inu-kun said:
I'm pretty sure that they did this, actually. I could be wrong though....schwegburt said:
Also, I'm pretty sure that The Punisher's history still has him as a Vietnam veteran and, at least in the Max publications, he has aged. But he's also died, worked for angels, came back to life, got turned into a Frankenstein monster and got better. So yea ....