The Big Picture: She-Hulk Shaming

[Falterfire]

I thought the whole "slut-hulk" quip came from the fact that she tends to sleep around like crazy.

I doubt it. Even if it did, it would be like dismissing Iron Man as "More like Slut Man amirite?" because he sleeps around (See also: Batman, Green Arrow, just about every other male hero that isn't Superman or Captain America) and we loop around to 'possibly sexist'.

(I'm really not willing to commit to anything being more than 'possibly -ist' since any statement less obvious than "EVERY WOMAN IS WORSE THAN EVERY MAN IN LITERALLY EVERY WAY" tends to result in an argument over what qualifies as ism)

 

[Arqus_Zed]

I thought the whole "slut-hulk" quip came from the fact that she tends to sleep around like crazy.

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Then again, I neither know nor care enough about She-Hulk to go into any in-depth analysis.

I'm curious, if those panels swapped She-Hulk for Iron Man and had a list of his female conquests, would you be inclined to think of him as Slut-Man?

One, I never thought of She-Hulk as Slut-Hulk, like I said, I neither know nor care enough. I merely thought the controversy about David Goyer calling She-Hulk a Slut-Hulk was because she is a character that is known to sleep around a lot.

Two, no, I do not think of Iron Man as "Slut-Man", I think of him as "Drunk Slut-Man", as pretty much everyone does.

 

[Goliath100]

Or are the various characters in the Queen's Blade series feminist icons as well?

No, because the idea behind does characters are that they are "perfect girlfriend" fantasies. Basically, they are pretty, but they are never gone need "you" to be there for them while they will alway be there for "you".

 

[vid87]

I thought the whole "slut-hulk" quip came from the fact that she tends to sleep around like crazy.

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Then again, I neither know nor care enough about She-Hulk to go into any in-depth analysis.

That kind of begs the question then about her sexuality in terms of her totally owning it but being a source of embarrassment. And why would a prosecutor ask that kind of question? Was that a hearing to determine if Jennifer had compromised her cases or something?

 

[MatParker116]

If the She-Hulk movie won't fly, stick a pair of fake ears on, pop in a few fangs and say she's an Orc. That wouldn't be half-bad either.

Speaking of nothing... Why does Pidermen's eyes have to look that creepy in every depiction of him having is Uncle Ben Moment?

Give her a TV show and have the transfusion happen in the pilot.

 

[Burnouts3s3]

Good show, Bob. It's refreshing to find 'someone' is willing to do their research rather than other people.

I think we just have to label Goyer an insensitive idiot who says too much without knowing enough. It amazes me who gets famous these days between Goyer and Orci.

 

[scw55]

They probably won't do She-Hulk because you'd have to see her face too often. A masked hero can be played by anyone. Therefore they don't have to have the actor playing that character for as long, thus pay them much less.
If the character doesn't have a mask, it's due to the actor being relatively unknown.

So yes, make a film about a good female superhero who wears a mask.

Or,

Cast an actor who you can pay for not much and write a film about a female superhero who doesn't wear a mask.

 

[Mr. Q]

Not to infuriate Jim Sterling, but this one of those moments where I can say "Thank God for Bob Chipman!" Nice to have someone cover She-Hulk in a better light than Goyer or those two clueless dip-shits ever could.

Also, I too approve of a She-Hulk movie. Or at least her own TV series.

 

[hentropy]

Or are the various characters in the Queen's Blade series feminist icons as well?

No, because the idea behind does characters are that they are "perfect girlfriend" fantasies. Basically, they are pretty, but they are never gone need "you" to be there for them while they will alway be there for "you".

The main question I'm asking here is how that differs from the She-Hulk, based on nothing else but what Bob said in the video. Is the She-Hulk not a "perfect girlfriend" fantasy in the same way? She-Hulk may be green and muscular, but trust me when I say there are plenty of people who are into that.

Also, not to get too much into Queen's Blade, but many of the characters are not girlfriend or "perfect" material at all, they actually differ wildly in personality, demeanor, motivations, and looks. They're all physically attractive, but not personally.

So what exactly separates the She-Hulk from various super-busty anime chicks out there who are also kick-ass protagonists? Bob's only evidence of this is "well her powers have no downside and she was self-aware for a little while", but I don't see how that makes her a feminist icon.

 

[Arqus_Zed]

I thought the whole "slut-hulk" quip came from the fact that she tends to sleep around like crazy.

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Then again, I neither know nor care enough about She-Hulk to go into any in-depth analysis.

That kind of begs the question then about her sexuality in terms of her totally owning it but being a source of embarrassment. And why would a prosecutor ask that kind of question? Was that a hearing to determine if Jennifer had compromised her cases or something?

Like I said, I have no freakin' clue.

I don't really read American comics, most of the stuff I know, I get from the web show "Atop The 4th Wall". Just like I know Iron Man is a drunk and Batman has a son, I know that the She-Hulk tends to sleep around.

I don't even know what comic those panels come from - or what the context is for that matter. I just googled some images to back up the statement that I was making (the one about me thinking David Goyer made the Slut-Hulk reference based on her reputation as someone who sleeps around a lot).

 

[90sgamer]

I thought the whole "slut-hulk" quip came from the fact that she tends to sleep around like crazy.

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Then again, I neither know nor care enough about She-Hulk to go into any in-depth analysis.

I'm curious, if those panels swapped She-Hulk for Iron Man and had a list of his female conquests, would you be inclined to think of him as Slut-Man?

My understanding is that Tony Stark's promiscuity is viewed as a character flaw. In fact, the movies -- built around broad appeal -- clearly use his promiscuity as part of his character arc. He eventually becomes "good" and enters into a monogamous relationship.

 

[Ticklefist]

There are a handful of artists and characters the typical feminist comic book crowd seem to let slide. She Hulk is a pretty big one. Goyer chose very poorly.

 

[Elijah Newton]

Expected Bob to do an episode on the Ant-Man controversy. Nice acknowledgment at the end there.

Why are we angry about Ant-Man? The director stepped down, which is a pity because I've loved his other stuff, but was that can't be it. Can it? Am I missing something?

 

[Deacon Cole]

There was a She-hulk movie in the works back in the 90's when Marvel made crap like the Dolph Lundgren Punisher flick. Some test photos of Brigitte Nielsen in the costume is as far as it got.

 

[Vegosiux]

Oh hey, my powers of clairvoyance are still up and running I see. That, or this was just predictable from the beginning to the end.

Yaknow, having grown up without being exposed to a lot of Western comics might have been a good thing, now that I think of it.

I mean, they're all just wish fulfillment and nothing else.

 

[Diddy_Mao]

I imagine it would be somewhat difficult to adapt She-Hulk into a standalone film.

Not because she's a complicated character, or because of some outdated idea that a female lead action flick won't sell. I just don't know how they would fit her into the current metaplot.

As it stands the MCU is still expanding and pretty much every new story that comes out has to be interconnected in some capacity and I don't see a way to include a standalone She-Hulk film in their current arc.

To be 100% clear, I would love to see a She-Hulk film or television series, I just don't see a way to fit her into the current plans outside of introducing her as a Coulson-esque unifying presence over several films and then launching her into a standalone or small team film.

From a matter of personal preference, I also must admit that her role as Super powered defense attourney has always been my favorite incarnation. It's a unique setting and concept that I don't think gets enough attention...problem is that just because I'd watch a Super hero themed courtroom drama doesn't mean anyone else would.

 

[Robot-Jesus]

. Is the she-hulk not sexist because it never shows her in near-explicit sexual situations?

she hulk has slept with half the marvel universe. As far as I know this has never been depicted as a bad thing. She's often wearing skimpy clothing, but it's somewhat related to her powers.


Gamma based heros transformed states are a reflection of their mental state. Banner saw his father chop up his mother with an axe on Christmas morning, causing him to suppress all of his emotions, so the Hulk is all of his emotions being released at once. People with less extreme mental issues get less power, but less weirdness. Jennifer Walters was a mousy law student who suffered from anxiety and low confidence, when she transforms all that melts away and the fears that once controlled her can't get to her at all. so she's immune to slut shaming, is a picture of physical perfection, and hangs out with a lot of guys who are similarly a take on physical perfection, all of whom share a deep sense of mutual respect and admiration; I think most people in that situation would be jumping into a lot of beds.

 

[Robot-Jesus]

I imagine it would be somewhat difficult to adapt She-Hulk into a standalone film.

Not because she's a complicated character, or because of some outdated idea that a female lead action flick won't sell. I just don't know how they would fit her into the current metaplot.

As it stands the MCU is still expanding and pretty much every new story that comes out has to be interconnected in some capacity and I don't see a way to include a standalone She-Hulk film in their current arc.

To be 100% clear, I would love to see a She-Hulk film or television series, I just don't see a way to fit her into the current plans outside of introducing her as a Coulson-esque unifying presence over several films and then launching her into a standalone or small team film.

From a matter of personal preference, I also must admit that her role as Super powered defense attourney has always been my favorite incarnation. It's a unique setting and concept that I don't think gets enough attention...problem is that just because I'd watch a Super hero themed courtroom drama doesn't mean anyone else would.

if the run of Daredevil works out you could do it as a somewhat higher budget spinoff.

 

[Imp_Emissary]

If they don't make a She-Hulk movie they should at the very least make a new Hulk movie with her as one of the main characters.

It shouldn't be to hard. Have her start off as her normal lawyer self trying to help her cousin Bruce legally so he can walk around without the military trying to take him in, so he can get some help.

Since we know at least some of the military has got to be secretly part of hydra, we could use them trying to get rid of her, or they could bring in a Hulk villain D Like The Leader) trying to get leverage on the Hulk.
Have them try to kill/kidnap Jennifer, but when they try, SMASH! Bruce happens to be hiding out with her at the time.

Bruce hulks up to stop them, but his cousin gets hurt in the cross fire(or rather cross smashing I guess), and he has to take her to the hospital. Later he has to give her some of his blood, then goes to try and find out who did all this while she recovers.

Then near the middle or end, the cousin comes back as She-Hulk to help Bruce. This time, by smashing stuff!
They could even use the whole fourth wall breaking thing by having She-hulk have some delusions of grandeur at first when she's in hulk form. Thinking she's always got an adoring audience listening to her.

Thanks for doing this episode Bob.

I will be very said if She-Hulk doesn't make it to the big screen, or if they don't make another Hulk movie.

 

[LaoJim]

I imagine it would be somewhat difficult to adapt She-Hulk into a standalone film.

Not because she's a complicated character, or because of some outdated idea that a female lead action flick won't sell. I just don't know how they would fit her into the current metaplot.

I'm not sure I get your concern here. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just not clear about what the problems are.

Surely you have the first act (lawyer gets involved in incident with bad guys, gets superpowers) write itself and then you have the rest of film to do whatever you want with the plot, with baddies/macguffins determined as necessary by the requirements for Avengers 3. As a lawyer she gets to turn up as an easy cameo in anyone else's movie (especially with Iron Man's destructive/criminal behaviour, though of course he's supposed to have grown out of this). There are obvious links with Bruce Banner and you're obviously going to have a Hulk vs She-Hulk battle either in her or his next film.