DSQ said:
Tell that to Jimmy Boyle.
He is a scottish artist who when to prison for murder and when he came out became a respected artist.
There is a saying that: "if you fly with the crows you get tarred with the same brush"
witch means that if live around bad people you will get blamed for there actions. This is a really good way of analysing your little essay there.
You say that forced immgration you done all sorts of bad things to you city. My dad is an Immagration lawyer and TRUST ME immagration is never'forced'. You are implying that the higher crime rate among somalian and middle easten immagrants. This may be true, although crime rates are a flawed way of measuring such a thing.
If we went by you standards and stopped all immagration you would be punnishing all those who need to come or those who have done nothing wrong.
An exaple is in my community, Black carrbian in the UK, we have one of the highest crime rates and lowest schools scores. From what your saying the government in my country should just give up on people like me since we are all stupid apparently. But because they didn't I got into University.
If we judge a whole group of people by the action of a few, everyone loses.
A lot of valid points, and although my post only pointed out the bad stuff that comes with the "multicultural project", I do not mean that all who come are bad. I got a bit carried away as well from the rage I felt as yet again, a moron misquoted my post and took it way out of line (the one I was quoting in the part you quoted from me). Although, this time it was my way of saying things that was out of line, so I'll try to modify a bit.
First off: "forced immigration". Great Britain has had a quite different view and history on this than Norway, so I'll keep it to be about Norway. In Norway, we needed more hands in the late 70's, early 80's, and were happy to have people come and work, and settle. But these were people who we accepted in to work, and who had to adapt to our country. The problem didn't start until the 90's, when we suddenly got the idea that we needed to "save" all the poor people in the world by letting them come to us. But we did so without any proper concept of a sustainable progress, without any jobs to offer them, and we made ghettoes funded by welfare. And after 9/11, well, things didn't get better. Religious conflicts flamed up, and segregated the sides even more.
The reason I called it "forced immigration" was because it was a project started by a cultural elite on the "best west-side" as we call it in Oslo. It wasn't started to meet any needs, nor was it started after a proper public debate on the issue. It was started without any proper introduction, and now the problems have started to show.
And the Norwegian bureaucrats responsible for deciding who gets to stay were for a long time, and in a very large degree still are ideological extremists who has attempted to get in as many as possible. They accepted many members of a radical islamic group who are classified as terrorists in their home country, but because they fight for "their religious beliefs", which is to introduce sharia and create a totalitarian state. But because they face a death sentence for basically wanting to remove all civil rights from their people, they can stay. Not kidding. However, an African albino, who has to avoid being hunted down for having his organs prepared by a witch doctor, gets declined and "mysteriously leaked to the press", so that an image of strict immigration is preserved. I am not exaggerating, that has happened.
The sad fact is that very few people realize what these bureaucrats have been doing, and this misinformation has very bad side effects. One thing is that the integration effort has gone to hell. But what is worse is that racism is spreading like wildfire.
The problem, isn't what I think, it is what the people who see this from afar think. People who lack statistical understanding. People who don't see that what can be said of an average, is rarely applicable on an individual. I think an episode of Scrubs said it best: "You see patients who come in with a cold die on the spot, and you see people with 5% chance live to be 80. There's no use in believing that statistics will shape an individual." The problem is, that while medicine can be quite simple with just saying "bad luck I suppose" when answering to why someone died, when people ask for the reason why crime is sky high, the worst possible answer they can get is "you're racist!". All this does is give the impression that there isn't a good reason for it, and this thought leads to racism.
The correct answer is more of the lines of : "because integration has failed to some degree, and this has resulted in a stronger subculture much closer to the culture of their country of origin, which rejects many of the values of the modern democracy, and until we manage to break the evil cycle, the sad fact is that many boys will be drawn to such environments where they discard the respect for the law, and form their own norms."
I will admit, that your point of people being forced by their environments is a valid one, and quite often the case. But there are also those who because of their upbringing in such environments have become "crows" themselves. For every man walking out of a prison redeemed, there's at least one who has learned nothing but the fact that prisons suck.
R, but I'm disappointed by the Escapist's inability to provide an equal platform for armour wearing cats that deliver Italian food while being fired from a giant gun. Movie Bob should redress this issue I feel.