The Big Picture: The Fall of Kevin Smith, Part III
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While 16 episodes would be a bit much, I think a 1 or two episodes about Jack Black's career would be interesting.
Jack Black's best movies? Kung Fu Panda. Kung Fu Panda 2, and hopefully soon to be added to that, Kung Fu Panda 3. Do those count though, since they are animated and just does a voiceover?
Jack Black's best movies? Kung Fu Panda. Kung Fu Panda 2, and hopefully soon to be added to that, Kung Fu Panda 3. Do those count though, since they are animated and just does a voiceover?
I think I remember in one of the reviews of Rodriguez' films Moviebob mentioned that he's stayed pretty much the same.Burnouts3s3 said:
I get the impression that it is:
Kevin Smith - Wasted potential.
Robert Rodriguez - Stayed the same but is still pretty good.
Tarentino - Lived up to his potential.
Ah well, we conclude another part series on The Big Picture, and they're usually fun. I'll just sit by and wait for the next one.
Hm. I'm ambivalent about most of Kevin Smith's stuff but honestly thought Jack and Miri Make a Porno was pretty funny? I also had pretty much figured it was done by Apatow.
Again, I don't get the title of "fall". He really just seems to have changed his career in large portions.
And of course, while this look back has been usual in understanding your views on the man, it actually makes your previous jab all the more odd considering you have a reasonable view behind what came off at times as petty pot shots.
Ah well, at least we're done, time for some new niche yet interesting media for another episode.
And of course, while this look back has been usual in understanding your views on the man, it actually makes your previous jab all the more odd considering you have a reasonable view behind what came off at times as petty pot shots.
Ah well, at least we're done, time for some new niche yet interesting media for another episode.
Totally up for the Jack Black retrospective. Not 16 episodes mind. And not for a while. Need a few episodes about 80s cartoons to cleanse the palate first. Sharky & George or something.
As for KS, seems the issue is that he didn't live up to Bob's unrealistic expectations. I'm not convinced I saw anything in those videos that justified what he said originally to kick all this off, and I think he'll probably rethink it eventually in the same way he did with Michael Bay.
As for KS, seems the issue is that he didn't live up to Bob's unrealistic expectations. I'm not convinced I saw anything in those videos that justified what he said originally to kick all this off, and I think he'll probably rethink it eventually in the same way he did with Michael Bay.
Yeah... I know some people have already said this, but totally do the Jack Black Saga next, that could be interesting.
Still, all said, good trilogy.
Also, if you are looking for shows to do an episode on next: David The Gnome.
Still, all said, good trilogy.
Also, if you are looking for shows to do an episode on next: David The Gnome.
The only thing I remember about Jersey Girl is the time they filmed a scene at my local diner. It was a pretty big thing for the community; the school let out early because pretty much everyone wanted to go over and see the filming, even though most of the shots were interior and we couldn't see anything. They did film one exterior shot of someone walking into the diner, but they did something like 20 takes of that shot and I can't even remember if it made it into the final film.
The last shot of Clerks 2 is probably the most intelligent and emotionally charged move of Kevin Smith's career. Glad you mentioned it.
Well yes... but that also might be a bit more interesting to dig through than Kevin Smith. After watching part 3 I'm still trying to figure out what all the fuss is about? Where is the big fall? Smith makes good little odd comedies that speak to his generation, and has had a few bad experiences when he goes too far outside his comfort zone (Cop Out, Red State). Honestly could the same not be said about Woody Allen? he has made a career out of doing the exact same thing that people are complaining about Smith doing for what 50 years now. He remains a beloved darling of Hollywood in spite (or because) of being a child molester. I think the worst we can accuse Smith of is his apparent 12 pack a day French Fry addiction.SpcyhknBC said:
Smith could have been so much more, but it does seem like he took the coward's way out with his later films and retreated into himself as having to grow up was too much effort. What a waste
And yet in all three cases none of their actual product changed. Tarantino is still making the same over the top violence fests with snappy dialogue that he started. if anything he has regressed a bit from Reservoir Dogs. Rodriguez remains a bit all over the map but mainly sticking with his Grindhouse style and Smith movies remain Smith movies. There are not any surprises, any great moments of art from any of them. They make entertaining movies that may or may not appeal to certain specific niche bases.Evonisia said:
I'm with you on this one. The shrine was built by people who tend to view things in absolute and over analyze everything (movie critics, mostly).Uriel_Hayabusa said:
Kevin Smith is actually very critical of his own work and I've never seen him saying or doing anything in a pretentious or arrogant tone like, let's say, movie bob does (I understand movie bob is a persona, but still...).
The guy is not what a generation of critics wanted him to be. Get over it.
People like him because Smith is actually very honest in his shortcomings and fun to talk to. His geekness is also very sincere, which always scores bonus points. As it happens he ended up being more cool than most of his movies, but I see no problem with that.
Movie Bob deconstructions are very cool, but sometimes very disproportionate to the reality of things. Like most critics he likes to have a thesis about everything - this is obvious an invite for exaggeration.
Clerks Animated was an under appreciated hit for me, and should have kept on going! I honestly thought Appatow did "Zack & Miri Make a Porno", since Seth Rogen's the male lead and it's his style of dumb, gross-out comedy.
-Jack Black: I don't really have a complete understand of his work (i.e. did he hold more promise and potential, like he was Oscar material or something?) but I have found out that he's been around for a LONG time and had a lot of minor or supporting parts before he hit his stride with Tenacious D and his bigger stuff in the early 2000's. Seriously, looking over his stuff, he's kind've the "Where's Waldo" of modern film.
-Affleck and McConaughey: the only question is, who really succeeded? Yeah, an Oscar's fine but....c'mon.
-Affleck and McConaughey: the only question is, who really succeeded? Yeah, an Oscar's fine but....c'mon.
Bob's such a hack! The second part of a trilogy is supposed to be the best one! How come he made this third entry of the Kevin Smith retrospective the best one of them all!
I saw myself disagreeing for the first two episodes, but this final third feels more balanced, less vitriolic and backed up by facts. Tarantino is a beast, thank god I hitched my movie-making-escapism wagon to him and not Smith.
I saw myself disagreeing for the first two episodes, but this final third feels more balanced, less vitriolic and backed up by facts. Tarantino is a beast, thank god I hitched my movie-making-escapism wagon to him and not Smith.
