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I am going to see this. I've been really looking forward to it.
But...
My favorite movie of the Summer so far, has been The Lone Ranger. A movie I feel people have been too hard on. Now before you pull the whole "That movie was terrible" and other such stuff on me let me just explain this, I loved The Lone Ranger because I was able to have fun. I don't judge movies on the quality of their scripts, the quality of the acting and such. I judge them on how much I enjoyed them. And I was gripped in The Lone Ranger. I was laughing and on the edge of my seat in the action. I can overlook the movies flaws simply because I enjoyed it in spite of those flaws. So I'll probably love Pacific Rim. And I'll probably love The Wolverine unless it somehow manages to bore me to death.
But...
My favorite movie of the Summer so far, has been The Lone Ranger. A movie I feel people have been too hard on. Now before you pull the whole "That movie was terrible" and other such stuff on me let me just explain this, I loved The Lone Ranger because I was able to have fun. I don't judge movies on the quality of their scripts, the quality of the acting and such. I judge them on how much I enjoyed them. And I was gripped in The Lone Ranger. I was laughing and on the edge of my seat in the action. I can overlook the movies flaws simply because I enjoyed it in spite of those flaws. So I'll probably love Pacific Rim. And I'll probably love The Wolverine unless it somehow manages to bore me to death.
I agree with him on every aspect here except the "Del Toro is a living God" part. I don't think he's a particularly good film maker. He just happened to make decent films that people liked and ended up riding that wave. While I hesitate to compare him to Shamalan (I don't hate him that much) I think his career got started in very much the same way.
That scene in the poster is older then EVA, scenes like that were used in the original Gundam series.Drauger said:I'm not paying to see this movie, I don't know if the movie is good or bad, but just watching the trailers makes me scream "EVANGELION RIP OFF!!!!" and well I can't see it , I won't enjoy it.
It bothers me A LOT that movie bob is calling this thing a new ip, something "fresh" I mean, probably for hollywood movies is "kind of new" but come on .... it is ripping Evangelion even in the poster
And as I saw the trailer it keeps ripping more and more, sorry I just ugh .... it's not original ok?
Then the fact that del toro is directing it makes it even worse, the only movie in wich I have fallen sleep in a cinema is hellboy, yeah i know a lot of people liked it, but I just don care for del toro directing.
EVA wasn't all that original either. Giant robots fighting monsters has been around for ages, the themes involved in EVA seem vastly different to Pacific Rim as well, such as all the religious themes etc.
The movie is not even out yet, so how can you call it a ripoff. Due to one image that seems like a similar image to EVA that wasn't even the first to do it? That seems silly, especially since anyone can tell this movie is an homage to big monster fighting robot stuff in general.
Relax, watch it or don't, but do not claim ripoff when it is not. Because there are a lot of differences you can tell by the trailers alone.
Okay I don't know how many people have said this already because I don't want to read the whole thread, but here I go:
Yes indeed; 'new IPs' are not what we are looking for when we ask for originality. Super Mario Bros was a sequel to two arcade games. And it, along with Super Mario Bros 3, Super Mario 64, Super Mario Galaxy, Luigi's Mansion, Mario Party, Paper Mario Thousand Year Door, and three Mario & Luigi games are some of the most original games possible.
BUT, at the same time, yeah, IPs carry with them the potential drag known as 'brand name recognition'. EG: if Disneytoon studios were making an original cartoon movie about an original cast of characters, they may be able to make it interesting, but since they were making 101 Dalmations 2, they were required by mandate to do absolutely nothing creative at risk of harming the brand.
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And people saying that Pacific Rim is really pretty unoriginal, come on! It has Ellen McLain doing a somewhat-scary artificial intelligence voice!
Yes indeed; 'new IPs' are not what we are looking for when we ask for originality. Super Mario Bros was a sequel to two arcade games. And it, along with Super Mario Bros 3, Super Mario 64, Super Mario Galaxy, Luigi's Mansion, Mario Party, Paper Mario Thousand Year Door, and three Mario & Luigi games are some of the most original games possible.
BUT, at the same time, yeah, IPs carry with them the potential drag known as 'brand name recognition'. EG: if Disneytoon studios were making an original cartoon movie about an original cast of characters, they may be able to make it interesting, but since they were making 101 Dalmations 2, they were required by mandate to do absolutely nothing creative at risk of harming the brand.
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And people saying that Pacific Rim is really pretty unoriginal, come on! It has Ellen McLain doing a somewhat-scary artificial intelligence voice!
Exactly, Evangelion is a deconstruction of the genre, Pacific Rim is a homage to it. Seriously, Pacific Rim has more in common with Gurren Lagann than it does Evangelion. Even the design of Gipsy Danger looks more like Tetsujin 28 than Evangelion.chozo_hybrid said:
I couldn't disagree more with this video, the trailer makes it look utterly unoriginal and derivative. A movie about big monsters/robots hitting each other and destroying the scenery is hardly new, when did the Godzilla sequels do that? Whether it rips off or pays homage to other IPs such as Godzilla, Neon Genesis, Portal is irrelevant to me, i don't want to see a movie where that is made out to be a big part of it. Scott Pilgrim and Wreck-It Ralph worked because they used homage to embellish great stories and characters but this movie portrays itself as being about the action and that is nowhere near enough for me to want to go and see it. I could be wrong, i hope i'm wrong but going by what i've seen and heard it looks boring.
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I agree with the sentiment. I agree that Del Toro is a fantastic filmmaker, and I'll almost certainly go see it. Heck, I may drag friends along.
But I have to confess that part of me says, "If mecha robots fighting Godzilla-style monsters is what qualifies as 'original' in this day and age, from the point of view of all that pioneering-cultural-exploration thing, aren't we kind of f@#$ed?"
I mean, yeah, it's not actually based on Voltron or Robotech or any of the other anime mecha series, or on Godzilla or Mothra or one of their kin. But that nagging voice says that it takes a pretty sad wasteland of reboots and Twilight wannabes to make us say that giant robots fighting sea monsters is something fresh and pioneering.
I agree with the sentiment. I agree that Del Toro is a fantastic filmmaker, and I'll almost certainly go see it. Heck, I may drag friends along.
But I have to confess that part of me says, "If mecha robots fighting Godzilla-style monsters is what qualifies as 'original' in this day and age, from the point of view of all that pioneering-cultural-exploration thing, aren't we kind of f@#$ed?"
I mean, yeah, it's not actually based on Voltron or Robotech or any of the other anime mecha series, or on Godzilla or Mothra or one of their kin. But that nagging voice says that it takes a pretty sad wasteland of reboots and Twilight wannabes to make us say that giant robots fighting sea monsters is something fresh and pioneering.
Movie Bob goes on to like pretty much every super heroe movie of the last few years, to the point where he sounded like he was trying his hardest to force himself to like the Green Lantern (he made at least 2 videos on that film), but then goes on to tell us he isn't biased, and is now trying to sell himself as an advocate for original ideas?
Sorry, I don't buy it.
Bob has always been heavily biased towards certain movies, and whilst I don't always have a problem with this, I do have a problem with him coming this far down the line, and trying to argue the toss that he isn't.
I will confirm I do agree with his opinion of supporting original ideas. But, I'm not doing so because Bob said so.
Sorry, I don't buy it.
Bob has always been heavily biased towards certain movies, and whilst I don't always have a problem with this, I do have a problem with him coming this far down the line, and trying to argue the toss that he isn't.
I will confirm I do agree with his opinion of supporting original ideas. But, I'm not doing so because Bob said so.
Mimic. There, now stop claiming del Toro is perfect. Actually, it was not until Pan's Labyrinth that he really started pulling ratings higher than 7 on IMDB (and that site is well know for being generous). He has been on quite a run over the last few years, and considering the kind of money poured into Pacific Rim ($180M+), it *should* be great. This premise of synchronized movement controls through a neural interface at first (and second) glance seems contrived, highly implausible, and ultimately a hindrance to immersion. If that is the only flaw, then this will probably be a 8.5/10.
One other aspect to consider - the main production company is Legendary Pictures (MoS, Hangover Pt 3, Wrath/Clash of the Titans, Sucker Punch, and it keeps going on and on). They have some hits, but for every one there are two or three stinkers that were all billed as 'blockbusters' with heavy ad campaigns dumping Millions into ad space, before the reviewers set us straight. Now, del Toro should have been more than just the director on this, so he probably kept Legendary from messing it up. But it is like seeing the logo for Lionsgate appear on a movie you were not even sure you wanted to see in the first place. It is a really good indication that if the movie sucks at the start, it will only get worse. You only have 30 minutes to leave the cinema to get a refund, so always wear a watch and if you even look at it in the first 30 minutes, then it is not going well for that movie. I have left 9/10 Lionsgate movies in the last 8 years, all within the first 15 - 20 minutes, and none were ever a mistake. I consider Legendary to be a much better funded version of Lionsgate, but they tend to spend it all on CG instead of all the other ingredients that make good movie. I have only left 3 Legendary pictures, but for some reason I tend to avoid their releases based on their premises alone (or I am just lucky).
So rush out and see it on opening weekend? It will depend on what my favorite and trusted critics say. There is no point in flipping coins when we have reliable sources.
One other aspect to consider - the main production company is Legendary Pictures (MoS, Hangover Pt 3, Wrath/Clash of the Titans, Sucker Punch, and it keeps going on and on). They have some hits, but for every one there are two or three stinkers that were all billed as 'blockbusters' with heavy ad campaigns dumping Millions into ad space, before the reviewers set us straight. Now, del Toro should have been more than just the director on this, so he probably kept Legendary from messing it up. But it is like seeing the logo for Lionsgate appear on a movie you were not even sure you wanted to see in the first place. It is a really good indication that if the movie sucks at the start, it will only get worse. You only have 30 minutes to leave the cinema to get a refund, so always wear a watch and if you even look at it in the first 30 minutes, then it is not going well for that movie. I have left 9/10 Lionsgate movies in the last 8 years, all within the first 15 - 20 minutes, and none were ever a mistake. I consider Legendary to be a much better funded version of Lionsgate, but they tend to spend it all on CG instead of all the other ingredients that make good movie. I have only left 3 Legendary pictures, but for some reason I tend to avoid their releases based on their premises alone (or I am just lucky).
So rush out and see it on opening weekend? It will depend on what my favorite and trusted critics say. There is no point in flipping coins when we have reliable sources.
I know this has been said before, but the idea of Giant Robots fighting giant godzilla style monsters isn't exactly the most original thing in the world. After all, there was this little show called Neon Genesis Evangelion......
Also, the GLaDOS voice is in it. Hell yeah.
I'm still going to go see it unless it ends up being awful.
Also, the GLaDOS voice is in it. Hell yeah.
I'm still going to go see it unless it ends up being awful.
I went into this video ready to disagree with Bob, but I mostly agree. However, the only reason that matters for me with Pacific Rim is it looks awesome.
Another class disparity movie by the guy who did District 9.Funcakes said:
I'm going to go see it, not only because it's going to be a damn fine movie, but so Blomkamp can finally get to doing Halo justice.
Pacific Rim has more in common with Big O, Gundam, or Robotech, then EVA.Drauger said:
Sheesh!
No, I will not see Pacific Rim. I only support low budget films with practical effects, mostly the stuff that never makes it to theater, the kind of cheesy unintentionally hilarious shit with questionable acting that Obscurus Lupa, Phelous, Welshy, the Cinema Snob, & Diamanda Hagen review.
Seen here: Only the best movie ever made.
Seen here: Only the best movie ever made.
I know I'm late to post but...
Original? Really? One word: Ultraman.
More than one word: Seriously, how did you not see this?
Original? Really? One word: Ultraman.
More than one word: Seriously, how did you not see this?
The Rotten Tomatoes reviews are already up. 84%.
By all accounts this movie is great fun so I'm definitely watching it.
By all accounts this movie is great fun so I'm definitely watching it.