The Big Picture: The Numbers
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At least Del Toro can go back to his Disney Double Dare You label... right? Seems such a waste to have someone such as Del Toro working on things like a Haunted Mansion remake. Such is this world we live in, however, and money makes this world go round.
I will actually reiterate something one of the posters said already:
go and read "Mountains of Madness" - there is nothing there to make a movie about. One of the bag guys is literally an amorphous blob of black, for God's sake. You want to know how this movie would have looked - find Solaris (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069293/ - though it's a russian film, try to find subtitles) You will see how hard it is to make a good movie with so little action happening.
Lovecraft was a gifted horror writer, but his primary gift was to inspire horror by suspense, by building up an atmosphere, by hinting at the untold horrors just behind your closet door without actually revealing them.
You don't need tens if million dollar budgets to do that, it can be made on a art-house budget. It can be done on artistic work and camera work, NO CG WHAT-SO-EVER!
And Scott Pilgrim... was ok'ish. Wink-wink'ing about retro-gaming culture (just to separate SP from the bigger gaming culture, which is CoD, WoW and Farmville) got old 15 minutes in the movie, and the moral got really mixed. The comic (I believe - never read the original thing) should be actually leaps and bounds better in story, because it has volume to explain the characters enough, but with the movie - it didn't work.
go and read "Mountains of Madness" - there is nothing there to make a movie about. One of the bag guys is literally an amorphous blob of black, for God's sake. You want to know how this movie would have looked - find Solaris (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069293/ - though it's a russian film, try to find subtitles) You will see how hard it is to make a good movie with so little action happening.
Lovecraft was a gifted horror writer, but his primary gift was to inspire horror by suspense, by building up an atmosphere, by hinting at the untold horrors just behind your closet door without actually revealing them.
You don't need tens if million dollar budgets to do that, it can be made on a art-house budget. It can be done on artistic work and camera work, NO CG WHAT-SO-EVER!
And Scott Pilgrim... was ok'ish. Wink-wink'ing about retro-gaming culture (just to separate SP from the bigger gaming culture, which is CoD, WoW and Farmville) got old 15 minutes in the movie, and the moral got really mixed. The comic (I believe - never read the original thing) should be actually leaps and bounds better in story, because it has volume to explain the characters enough, but with the movie - it didn't work.
I'm a game enthusiast but I just can't bring myself to watch Scott Pilgrim. It just seems way too... Iunno. Weird?
I just don't like the big text and effects that pop up, it seems almost like the videogame references are forced because of stuff like that.
I just don't like the big text and effects that pop up, it seems almost like the videogame references are forced because of stuff like that.
Bob is half-right, but he's also half-wrong, too. As has been pointed out previously, ATMOM was cancelled more for budgetary reasons than over concerns about its rating. That and Del Toro had commitment issues as he had a lot of other irons in the fire, ATMOM being just one of them.
Also, I find it hard to believe still that studios would balk at making an R-rated movie, claiming they "don't make money." Bullshit. The Matrix made money. 300 made money. Watchmen made money (at least on its first weekend) And yes, even The Expendables - which Bob hates - made money. I don't want to hear that it's because "Teenagers can't see them." That's bullshit too. Teenagers have always been getting into R-rated movies and still are. Last time I checked, there weren't security guards at the ticket stand.
The only time studios were gun-shy about making R-rated movies was in the wake of Columbine, as movie studios were being closely scrutinized over marketing violent entertainment to children. But it's been over a decade since then, and I don't think that excuse carries as much weight as it once did. Or else why do they keep making Saw movies? Or even Scre4m? So while you can blame ATMOM for not being made for a variety of reasons, the rating was the least of it.
Also, I find it hard to believe still that studios would balk at making an R-rated movie, claiming they "don't make money." Bullshit. The Matrix made money. 300 made money. Watchmen made money (at least on its first weekend) And yes, even The Expendables - which Bob hates - made money. I don't want to hear that it's because "Teenagers can't see them." That's bullshit too. Teenagers have always been getting into R-rated movies and still are. Last time I checked, there weren't security guards at the ticket stand.
The only time studios were gun-shy about making R-rated movies was in the wake of Columbine, as movie studios were being closely scrutinized over marketing violent entertainment to children. But it's been over a decade since then, and I don't think that excuse carries as much weight as it once did. Or else why do they keep making Saw movies? Or even Scre4m? So while you can blame ATMOM for not being made for a variety of reasons, the rating was the least of it.
Wow that lovecraft movie would have been amazing! Maybe one day it will be made, lets all hope.
This is also the reason the Bioshock movie. Almost to a "T." Verbinski wanted a R rating, but Universal eventually decided that was too expensive to support.
I was extremely saddened by this episode.
I was extremely saddened by this episode.
Scott Pilgrim was awsome, I normaly don't go out to the movies as much as I should, but I made sure to watch in the theators and I got my money's worth. Expendables I was draged out to see, and eah, had alot of places where it coulda been alot better, but there's worse movies that made you want to claw your eyes out.
So... it's Scott Pilgrim's fault that we don't get a Lovecraft movie?
Joking aside, what grinds me the most about the film industry is the whole "ratings" bullspit. Screw teenagers; R movies are where the entertainment's at because they don't have such absurd restrictions for content that has become status quo years ago. Not that the FCC or any pro-censorship types would understand, of course. If teens have the cash, let 'em in to an R film. It's not pornography for crying out loud, it's a few f's above a PG-13 flick, maybe some more graphic gore, and, OH GEEZ!!! maybe some, some nudity. Get a grip, society. Chances are these same teens being "sheltered" from "mature" content have that same crap on their phones while taking the bus.
I see it as truly pathetic that whether or not a movie is PG-13 or R rated plays such a determining role in its box office performance. We are essentially handing over the reigns of what could or could not be fully realized artistic expression to the same damn group who makes Justin Beiber rich (13 year olds, as they are the minimum age).
*Just to be clear, I'm definitely not saying that all 13 year olds have created Justin Beiber. That would be terrible.
Joking aside, what grinds me the most about the film industry is the whole "ratings" bullspit. Screw teenagers; R movies are where the entertainment's at because they don't have such absurd restrictions for content that has become status quo years ago. Not that the FCC or any pro-censorship types would understand, of course. If teens have the cash, let 'em in to an R film. It's not pornography for crying out loud, it's a few f's above a PG-13 flick, maybe some more graphic gore, and, OH GEEZ!!! maybe some, some nudity. Get a grip, society. Chances are these same teens being "sheltered" from "mature" content have that same crap on their phones while taking the bus.
I see it as truly pathetic that whether or not a movie is PG-13 or R rated plays such a determining role in its box office performance. We are essentially handing over the reigns of what could or could not be fully realized artistic expression to the same damn group who makes Justin Beiber rich (13 year olds, as they are the minimum age).
*Just to be clear, I'm definitely not saying that all 13 year olds have created Justin Beiber. That would be terrible.
Where was that other article, about how 20% of Americans consider themselves proud geeks? I guess the flipside (glass half empty) to that, unfortunately, is that the other 80% are all those pop culture fans, jocks, sports guys and people who watch Fast and Furious films. Aghhh!
Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope someone goes in on At the Mountains of Madness....I am dead certain it would be an amazing movie under del Toro.
Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope someone goes in on At the Mountains of Madness....I am dead certain it would be an amazing movie under del Toro.
Just because you don't like a movie/ genre doesn't make it bad. Looking at it from a totally neutral perspective, the twilight series is genuinely good, the expendables not so much. The expendables did things that had been done before, better than they had been done before, but it still felt stagnant.MacNille said:
The only reason i watched that movies was because of Jason Statham.
I thought it was good, but god damn, people need to start taking higher risks in that industry, if I see one more samey action flick, or a love story thats been done before, or even a drama that has no tension, I'm going to flip kick the producers of each movie in the head.
um.... shit, sorry I cut a sentence or two out, they were rather pointless for this response, but you can get that shit from Google, anywhere praticually without an age requirement, its really retarteded that we can't just let them jump in to horror movies when they reach, I don't know, 12 or something, and praticually all 9-15 year old girls created Justin Bieber. And I bet without ratings, we would have less cookie cutter shit crowding, well, everything, they would still be there in small hints or nibbles that if your not mentally sound enough to see *list of things* then don't see this movie, that would probably work, people could get in at anytime if they just fork up the cashSelectivelyEvil13 said:
Geek culture is not the antithesis to the pop-culture. Geek culture is a sub-genre of pop culture.camazotz said:
It was correctly stated that in essence Scott Pilgrim is Twilight for nerdy boys.
The antithesis to the pop-culture would be art-house productions and contemporary art. Stuff that hipsters watch.
Like that movie "Beyond silence" (Jenseits der Stille)
But then again... *puts on hipster glasses*
you probably never heard of it.
YEAHH!!!
Damn good video, I'm crushed there's no At the Mountains of Madness, I really really want it to happen
Keep flogging Expendables, Bob.
Oh well, at least this Big Picture was about the thing Moviebob actually knows: movies. Ergo, it was actually pretty decent for this show.
Oh well, at least this Big Picture was about the thing Moviebob actually knows: movies. Ergo, it was actually pretty decent for this show.
Defend your points immediately, or be forever branded a troll.baconsarnie said:
On the topic of the episode, I think that was the most bitter-sounding "I'm Bob, and that's the Big Picture" I've ever heard.