I'd love to hear Bob's thoughts on the currently running 2012 Nickelodeon series. Like Superflick, I think it's the most fun and well made version of the series so far.
The Big Picture: Turtle Power - The Older, Better TMNT Movie
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I really did prefer this version of the turtles to the 80s cartoon. It would have been nice if they could have kept it up, but the next movie got even slapstickier, and sillier, and lost some of the charm (though I still enjoyed it) and then III was....Well, let's not go there.
I also really liked the 2007 movie despite its many flaws for sort of similar reasons. I just wish they hadn't thrown in the "getting the band back together" cliché, added the 13 ghosts of Scooby Doo, and made Raph a vigilante who needs to learn the same tired lesson. I mean, it's funny. In a franchise full of cliché and repeated elements, this one stands out enough to annoy me.
What I'm saying is that expecting different is like expecting to not get fast food at Burger King. We all know what's going on in the kitchen and what we're getting into. I mean, yeah, it's sometimes tiresome to see the same pot shot inserted into every video and that's unavoidable without simply avoiding Moviebob, but this is a little more specific. You "knew" a turtles video would be up next. You knew he didn't like the new movie. And the video's title even indicates the subject matter. If it's that much of an issue, why watch at all? Why not just give it a pass?
I also really liked the 2007 movie despite its many flaws for sort of similar reasons. I just wish they hadn't thrown in the "getting the band back together" cliché, added the 13 ghosts of Scooby Doo, and made Raph a vigilante who needs to learn the same tired lesson. I mean, it's funny. In a franchise full of cliché and repeated elements, this one stands out enough to annoy me.
Well, since you asked nicely, okay! Though I usually only discuss things of consequence on the internet, like whether or not the new Ninja Turtles movie was good, or whether or not Critical Miss is funny....An Ceannaire said:
I won't go too far into the "is Bob TEH BIAS" territory, but I have to say: Bob is pretty much an "as advertised" product. You've watched him long enough to know that he's going to keep harping on TMNT, so this should be fairly obvious. It's also The Big Picture, a show which weekly delves into nerd and nostalgia territory specifically.Strain42 said:
What I'm saying is that expecting different is like expecting to not get fast food at Burger King. We all know what's going on in the kitchen and what we're getting into. I mean, yeah, it's sometimes tiresome to see the same pot shot inserted into every video and that's unavoidable without simply avoiding Moviebob, but this is a little more specific. You "knew" a turtles video would be up next. You knew he didn't like the new movie. And the video's title even indicates the subject matter. If it's that much of an issue, why watch at all? Why not just give it a pass?
Because even though I admit I'm slightly tired of Bob doing some of those pot shots gratuitously, I still like the show. I still liked watching this episode. I'm merely offering some constructive criticism. If someone complains about the sun being in their eyes, I would suggest they try a hat or sunglasses. If Bob complains about people claiming bias at him because he focuses a bit too much on taking digs at things he hates in unrelated videos, I would suggest a way to maybe get that to come up slightly less.Zachary Amaranth said:
As I said, I don't think Bob is biased. I've seen plenty of his videos where he's said he hated something he expected to love and loved something he expected to hate, which kind of goes against the definition of being biased.
Okay, Bob. You don't like the horror and distraught that is caused by the menace that is "the Bias". So I want you to do something. Not for me, but for yourself since you seem pretty riled over this. Something very simple that you really shouldn't have any problem doing: Act like Greg Tito.
Yes, Escapist editor in chief Greg Tito. Act like him. Specifically, act like how he acted when he released his review for Dragon Age II back in 2011. A glowing review for a game that is most hated by nearly everyone on the Escapist. After he released that review, it became a running gag for Escapist members to bring it up as a representation of Greg's credibility whenever he wrote anything related to Bioware, RPGs in general, or even giving a slightly controversial opinion on a game.
Hell, for a while, anytime he wrote a review, it was guaranteed that there would be at least one person in the comments section that would write, "So is it better or worse than Dragon Age II?"
So... How did he address all this talk of bias and questionable judgement?
... He maintained his stance on the game and never talked about it otherwise. In fact, the only time he mentioned his opinion on Dragon Age II was when directly asked about it. And those smug people who constantly questioned his credibility as a reviewer and left snarky comments on all the content he contributed? They went away and did other things. You barely ever read "So is it better or worse than Dragon Age II?" on the Escapist anymore, save for perhaps a handful of the most persistent bastards.
Greg didn't take it personally that everyone disagreed with him and called him bias. He didn't make a crusade out of Dragon Age II, bringing it up nearly every goddamn time he posted content for the Escapist. He didn't constantly address his dissenters to tell them how much he just doesn't care about what they say to him. And those dissenters? They withered away with time. Only now seen as the most desperate of people who don't know how to let something go.
I mean, look at me. I wouldn't have even written this multi-paragraphed post if you hadn't made yet another reference to "the Bias".
I dunno, maybe being a video maker takes a higher level of ego compared to someone who only writes, and a larger ego is always more easily bruised. Maybe it's not your fault. But I fucking guarantee you won't hear about the Amazing Spider-man as much as you do now if you just stop bringing it up so goddamn much. Point is, once you stop caring, everyone will stop caring.
Yes, Escapist editor in chief Greg Tito. Act like him. Specifically, act like how he acted when he released his review for Dragon Age II back in 2011. A glowing review for a game that is most hated by nearly everyone on the Escapist. After he released that review, it became a running gag for Escapist members to bring it up as a representation of Greg's credibility whenever he wrote anything related to Bioware, RPGs in general, or even giving a slightly controversial opinion on a game.
Hell, for a while, anytime he wrote a review, it was guaranteed that there would be at least one person in the comments section that would write, "So is it better or worse than Dragon Age II?"
So... How did he address all this talk of bias and questionable judgement?
... He maintained his stance on the game and never talked about it otherwise. In fact, the only time he mentioned his opinion on Dragon Age II was when directly asked about it. And those smug people who constantly questioned his credibility as a reviewer and left snarky comments on all the content he contributed? They went away and did other things. You barely ever read "So is it better or worse than Dragon Age II?" on the Escapist anymore, save for perhaps a handful of the most persistent bastards.
Greg didn't take it personally that everyone disagreed with him and called him bias. He didn't make a crusade out of Dragon Age II, bringing it up nearly every goddamn time he posted content for the Escapist. He didn't constantly address his dissenters to tell them how much he just doesn't care about what they say to him. And those dissenters? They withered away with time. Only now seen as the most desperate of people who don't know how to let something go.
I mean, look at me. I wouldn't have even written this multi-paragraphed post if you hadn't made yet another reference to "the Bias".
I dunno, maybe being a video maker takes a higher level of ego compared to someone who only writes, and a larger ego is always more easily bruised. Maybe it's not your fault. But I fucking guarantee you won't hear about the Amazing Spider-man as much as you do now if you just stop bringing it up so goddamn much. Point is, once you stop caring, everyone will stop caring.
I had a full reply typed up, and my computer decided to crash. So here's the short version.Strain42 said:
"liking something I expected him to hate" isn't so much bias or lack of as it is surprising you. That doesn't particularly mean he's unbiased, it could simply mean you failed to call his bias. I can't honestly think of the last time Bob's opinion on something surprised me, does that mean I do get to call him biased? Hell, he's ignored facts or misrepresented them both on The Escapist and in his Game Overthinker series, something that would get other people crucified around these parts.
Now, to the meat: Bob is biased. I'm not sure what definition of "bias" would excuse him except for the internet/Fox News version of "people who disagree with me." He's biased, and that's okay. Because we're talking about shows where he offers his personal or critical opinion, and in both, one expects bias. He's not reporting on Gaza or Ferguson or Robin Williams, he's talking about movies and stuff he liked as a kid. The idea that a critic or a media personality should be unbiased is patently absurd. As such, the response to bias claims shouldn't be "no he isn't," but rather "so what?"
http://www.destructoid.com/100-objective-review-final-fantasy-xiii-179178.phtml
He cranks it up to the absurd, but the point is, we want bias in reviews. Well, we want bias in our favour. That's the kind of bias we tend not to talk about. Bias happens all the time, but because people complain only when it's negative, we take a negative connotation to it and thus feel the need to rebuke claims of bias and defend the personalities we like as "unbiased."
Bias matters in news. It matters in consumer safety. It matters in technical specs. It doesn't matter in criticism (barring the aforementioned or similar) or opinion (also barring the aforementioned). Accusations of bias should meet scorn not because they're incorrect or bias is automatically evil, but because they're the equivalent of "well that's, like, your opinion, man!"
I'm hoping this is the last I have to say on bias for a while. I've said bias so often it feels as meaningless as whether people throw it around as a criticism within subjective commentary.
I'm in the UK and the dvd was released over here quite some time ago.It wasn't censored at all and it shouldn't be too hard to find it still and even when it released it didn't cost too much. *Takes a look* ....okay, its shot up in price to 19.95 on amazon...I only paid about 7 quid when it came out back in 2005. Its pretty nice its getting a re-release thoughScarim Coral said:
I remember when my older brother (16 years difference) rented this out on vhs back in the day and it was awesome! Still my fave out of the original 3 movies and it still kicks as much ass today as it did back then! 
Nope. Sequels, sure, but not the original.Chester Rabbit said:
If that were the case, why doesn't anybody put the Power Rangers movie on the same pedestal? ...or Three Ninjas? ...or the Super Mario movie? ...or any other random shitty kids movie from the early 90's that we liked back then cuz we were dumb?
Nostalgia's not strong enough to hold any of those movies together, TMNT 1990 should be no exception... and it isn't, really, because nostalgia isn't the culprit. People still enjoy it because it's legit good. Too legit to quit.