The Big Picture: Untransformed

[ClanCrusher]

*Pauses the video right at the start.*

Okay, so since this is about transformers, Movie Bob is inevitably going to make some joke that a dozen or so people are going to take the wrong way, take personally, and complain about on the forum because they feel as though he attacked them personally. Usually a sure sign that what he said really hit a nerve.

*Pauses the video at 1:42*

Oh heck no, he just used the word nimrod. He is now officially given the forum all it needs to hate and slander his name again, although every single one of these people will likely come back to see his videos next week, the week after, and likely all the way up to his next transformers review where we can all do this same chant and dance one more time and I can make yet another forum post like this, one more time.

Let's see the lineup.

This was so snotty and condescending it makes me want to give Bob a swirly just on general principle.

Way to contradict yourself... again. *points to The Phantom Menace episode*

Oh, and nice one on insulting the fans of these movies... again.

Seriously, Bob; Grow up.

Wow, bob insulting people who happen to not agree with him.

If I didn't know better I would think he was an average forum goer!

Christ Bob, rein in the fucking elitism a bit would you?

Im hating Bob More and more every single episode he does.

I mean, god. Sucessful movies are sucessful for a reason, man.

And there you have it. I guess Movie Bob got it spot on when he said, "Sometimes you really can see these things coming."

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

I still do not know why he is harping on the green lantern it was not that bad all things considered.

Actually, it was. I don't think it was as terrible as Bob made it out to be, but it was pretty darn bad. I went into the movie fairly unbiased and had a friend with me that had never read a single comic and she hated it too. Yes, I knew who the Green Lanterns were, had a basic rundown of the story, and understood a lot of the lore, but I haven't gone through the entire history of the comics (yet) and was going to pick at them for not getting a character's hairstyle right.

And yes, it is understandable for different opinions, but there are times when a film can just be provably bad. This was one of them.

I tend to hate subpar films but I found GL to be ok at best the worest thing about it was it was draggy. It was hella better than Ghost rider/Batman 4(the one before bale)/Xmen 3/Spiderman 3(and reboot >> lulz),All the TF films,ect,ect,ect,ect,ect.

I just have seen far worse and far better.

I'd have to say in terms of terrible, it's much worse than Spiderman 3 (I liked it, I know the flaws and what was missed out on, but I hold it much higher than other "bad" superhero movies) and I'd put GL about on par with the 90s Captain America. See, the biggest problems I had with it were what they did to Parallax, they never expound upon the rings' weakness to yellow, the CGI is very sub-par, the entire movie looks like it has a green film over it, we never find out what happened to Amanda Waller, they let Hal keep the most powerful weapon in the universe after quitting the GL corps, Sinestro has NO REASON to take the yellow ring (you can't even say it's because he wants power, that is NEVER given any foreshadowing and reason), and as an added kick to the teeth the movie is way too loud at the "ABLOOGY WOOGY WOO" moments. I'm not even talking like the theatre was too loud, it had to be the sound in the movie itself because it was just as bad when I saw it at home.

I saw the both bad CA films and yet say that GL is simply not that bad, now the Xmen films treated the lore worse IMO but were a tad better paced but all in all I could stand GL more.

 

[Slaanax]

I dunno, if I cared for the content that much seeing how I have only seen the first Transformers movie, but anything linking Idiocracy and MIB is worth watching!

 

[Genixma]

Im hating Bob More and more every single episode he does.

I mean, god. Sucessful movies are sucessful for a reason, man.

I just go with it. Like he's said before, he now watches movies as a job rather than for fun. And for some reason I feel like he's becoming the type of critic he's hated. And for some reason I feel like him and Jim have switched places. Where the Jimquisition has become at least somewhat thoughtful. MovieBob is becoming a person who is beating a dead horse of "I disliked this movie, they did it wrong imo, so now I'm just going to keep beating the horse."

On the other side of the coin, Yahtzee said if you like something then nothing he (or anyone else) can say will remove you from your idea of if you liked the film or not. Unless there is a niggling little doubt in the back of your head that you do not like it as much as you think you do.

 

[WolfThomas]

Man that Captain America costume is meh. The one from First Avenger was great but that is pretty terrible.

 

[ZexionSephiroth]

As much as I find myself agreeing with Moviebob, I am dead tired of this "Marching Morons"/"Idiocracy"/"Brave New World" us versus them crap.
I know that it's easy to look at "the masses" and make these big lump generalizations.
I know that it makes the crap parts of society easier to explain and therefore easier to handle.
I know that it makes it feel better to have un-popular opinions or be a fan of a niche genre, or "someone with a brain" (however you choose to define that last one)
but the world is god-damn complicated and the explanations that DO exist aren't always the ones that leave you feeling like your a member of the Brotherhood of Evil God Damn Mutants.
Entertainment is subjective, and what you get is what you get.
Can entertainment be criticized then? Yes, and as well it should be, but that doesn't mean you get to create some kind of BS narrative about "leaders" and "followers" or "idiot nation" or whatever.
The only real reason to do it, is because it FEELS good and it makes things easier to swallow, when the real problem isn't figuring out how to swallow something, but to figure how to not swallow it in the first place.

"Steppenwolf" > "Brave New World"
Any day

While the masses might not nessacarily be an idiocracy, the fact remains that big movie companies are now choosing the safe route of "Let's appeal to everybody". All while completely forgeting the words of wisdom: "those that try to pander to all, satisfy none"... or something to that effect, wherever I heard that line has probably twisted it a few times first.

And so... We're back where we started. And now caught up in a serious line of thought, I must propose a real 'solution'.

Hollywood should go back and take their media class again. It probably comes under "Audience", as in "know your audience" or "specific audience". In which my high school media teacher would say "the more specific the audience the better".

If it's not under "Audience", then I think there's probably something called "Targeted Marketing"; And wether that exists or not, Hollywood seems to ignore it.

 

[Evil Alpaca]

Moviebob, can we please get away from movies you don't like.

The real interesting part of this segment was the idea that Michael Bay is working on Transformers to help green light another movie idea. I never knew future movies were traded like commodities between a director's wants and what companies want.

Everything else about why people who like such movies are idiots is just childish and doesn't actually make an argument. Look at the Green Lantern review, you talked about what about the film was bad, i.e. bad actors selection, bad special effects, and so on. Now listen to your review of Transformers. You're calling the moviegoers of such films idiots. I think you never should have reviewed Transformers 2 and 3 because your complaints are the same for both movies and they devolve into ad-hominums toward the audience without really addressing the film.

If you don't like the film, REVIEW SOMETHING ELSE!

Your Star Wars review asked fans to move on and quick making such a big deal over the films-
physician, heal thyself.

If you think there are better movies coming out than Transformers then review those movies. Not everyone follows movie premiers and big budget movies like Transformers have the revenue to flood advertising.

 

[OZITOMAI]

i get what your saying bob, but i have to rage abit against you, the spiderman reboot is looking way! better than toby mcquaries one, the actor fits the more witty and geeky peter parker, its following the actual comics this time and by the looks of it, it shows an interesting twist, i dont get you sometimes.

marvel now has control over spiderman movies and wants to create a new one that everyone will enjoy, toby as spiderman wasn't witty or geeky really, just more serious and this new guy does the opposite but has an serious side to him aswell, so just drop the stupid idea of this reboot being bad

 

[Racecarlock]

Bob, I like your stuff. You usually state your opinions so well. You usually have good reasoning. But here, you basically said "This movie is going to suck and anyone who likes it is dumb". I mean, dude. I liked thor. I liked captain america. I liked the hulk. But I also like 2 fast 2 furious. Does my enjoyment of that one movie make me dumb? I like explosions and car chases, but I don't think that's anything to base my IQ or knowledge on. You don't have to be mad anymore. It's over. You might have to sit through one more transformers. I'm sorry. But, taking it out on a huge rant against the mainstream audience and calling everyone who likes explosions dumb just was not the way to go here. There's being an intellectual with opinions, and then there's being a dick. You crossed the dick line with this episode here, bob. There was no reason whatsoever to stereotype and insult the entire mainstream movie audience. Yes, the loss of transformers to the mainstream audience is sad. But you know what? You still have the Avengers to look forward to. So stop whining and insulting people for no reason.

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

I've been saying "people are stupid" since before it was cool.

I guess I'm what you call an "Old School Pessimist".

 

[MovieBob]

marvel now has control over spiderman movies and wants to create a new one that everyone will enjoy, toby as spiderman wasn't witty or geeky really, just more serious and this new guy does the opposite but has an serious side to him aswell, so just drop the stupid idea of this reboot being bad

Small correction: The OPPOSITE is actually true of most of that - Marvel DOESN'T have control over Spider-Man, and the point of making this movie is to ensure that they don't get to.

Prior to operating their own studio (and that studio becoming part of Disney) Marvel primarily "licensed" the movie-rights their properties to other studios - Sony owns the rights to Spider-Man, Fox owns the X-Men, etc.

Now that Marvel DOES have their own outfit working (which produces the Avengers-affiliated movies) they have also been exercising their contractual-ability to reclaim movie-rights to certain characters if the studios who initially licensed them are not willing or able to produce NEW movies with them within a certain timeframe, which is how they got The Hulk "back" from Universal. Part of the reason that Sony pressed ahead with a lower-budget/cheaper-actors remake of Spider-Man rather than keeping the original series going somehow is to make sure it happened quickly (and could spawn sequels quickly) enough to prevent Marvel Studios from taking the character back.

 

[jmarquiso]

"Bad Boys" is, hands down, the best Michael Bay Movie Ever Made. It's a dark comedy with a lot of heart. I think most of that is the restriction of budget made the people making it believe in what they were making. Bad Boys 2, on the other hand, is what happens when they had all the options in the world.

Now, this isn't saying a lot, looking at Michael Bay's repertoire.

Okay, actually, that Got Milk commercial is the Best Michael Bay Movie Ever Made.

 

[anthony87]

*Pauses the video right at the start.*

Okay, so since this is about transformers, Movie Bob is inevitably going to make some joke that a dozen or so people are going to take the wrong way, take personally, and complain about on the forum because they feel as though he attacked them personally. Usually a sure sign that what he said really hit a nerve.

*Pauses the video at 1:42*

Oh heck no, he just used the word nimrod. He is now officially given the forum all it needs to hate and slander his name again, although every single one of these people will likely come back to see his videos next week, the week after, and likely all the way up to his next transformers review where we can all do this same chant and dance one more time and I can make yet another forum post like this, one more time.

Let's see the lineup.

This was so snotty and condescending it makes me want to give Bob a swirly just on general principle.

Way to contradict yourself... again. *points to The Phantom Menace episode*

Oh, and nice one on insulting the fans of these movies... again.

Seriously, Bob; Grow up.

Wow, bob insulting people who happen to not agree with him.

If I didn't know better I would think he was an average forum goer!

Christ Bob, rein in the fucking elitism a bit would you?

Im hating Bob More and more every single episode he does.

I mean, god. Sucessful movies are sucessful for a reason, man.

And there you have it. I guess Movie Bob got it spot on when he said, "Sometimes you really can see these things coming."

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! I'm included! ^_^

Although I fail to see how what I said or what any of the other people shows any impression of taking it personally. I'm not actually what someone would consider a fan of the Transformers movies, sure I've seen the first two but if someone was to bring them up it'd just be thinking "Meh" the whole time so I have no reason to take what he said personally.

I just happen to think that taking every opportunity you can to say degrading things about people just for liking a certain movie is the wrong way to go about discussing things. While watching the video I couldn't shake this vibe of "we don't take kindly to you folk around here" which I think is elitist as hell which is shame because Bob is very good at what he does when he's not using a video just to rant about how stupid people are.

Yes, I'll watch his videos next week because I'm a big fan of his videos. Just because I'm a fan doesn't mean I have to agree with and hang onto every single word he says. Hell, not agreeing with him on a particular point/video usually leads to good discussion in the forums with the people who do agree.

And on that note I'll bid you adieu. Perhaps next time you should try contributing to the thread instead of just rushing to the online defense of someone who really doesn't need it. Not that I see any problem with something like that, in fact I think it's kinda cute ^_^

 

[Strain42]

Im hating Bob More and more every single episode he does.

I mean, god. Sucessful movies are sucessful for a reason, man.

Because they're POPULAR, which does not necessarily mean they're GOOD. Did you love the popular kids when you were in high school? Did you say "Wow, those kids are popular for a reason. They deserve it."

By your logic, Jersey Shore is at least 5 times better than Firefly because it's been renewed for so many more seasons, and Justin Bieber is probably better than your favorite band.

 

[maninahat]

Im hating Bob More and more every single episode he does.

I mean, god. Sucessful movies are sucessful for a reason, man.

Because they're POPULAR, which does not necessarily mean they're GOOD. Did you love the popular kids when you were in high school? Did you say "Wow, those kids are popular for a reason. They deserve it."

By your logic, Jersey Shore is at least 5 times better than Firefly because it's been renewed for so many more seasons, and Justin Bieber is probably better than your favorite band.

They're popular for a reason, mr circular logic.

Popular, successful movies often have a broader appeal, are easier to understand, and have a grand scale that can be appreciated on a universal level. Transformers, Avatar, Star Wars, Titanic, all those movies have simple plots, a huge cast of characters, at least one of which is likely to appeal to you, and massive settings with huge stakes. Some cleverdicks may find these stories clichéd, mawkish, or possessing reprehensible messages, but they are still likely to have paid to watch the movie anyway.

 

[Carl The Manicorn]

Good episode. A little rant-y, but I leaned.

Also, the "Idoacracy" stills made me laugh everytime they were shown. Love that movie.

 

[Alandoril]

Michael Bay doesn't do anything to get people to show up to the films. It's the Transformers name itself that does all the leg work.

 

[Jimmybobjr]

Im hating Bob More and more every single episode he does.

I mean, god. Sucessful movies are sucessful for a reason, man.

Because they're POPULAR, which does not necessarily mean they're GOOD. Did you love the popular kids when you were in high school? Did you say "Wow, those kids are popular for a reason. They deserve it."

By your logic, Jersey Shore is at least 5 times better than Firefly because it's been renewed for so many more seasons, and Justin Bieber is probably better than your favorite band.

Uhh, no shit?

I mean, i was under the assumption that Beiber and Jersey were hates Because They were popular.

Why is beiber popular? Because girls all around the world live his singing. Just because the part of the internet that hates him and his music exists, doesnt mean that his music is bad. I know that, quite litteraly, almost every single girl that was in my Highschool science class loved bieber, loved twilight and loved the flaunt both of them around.

Yes, i hate them. But just because i hate them doesnt mean that they arent good to someone.

Let me put it this way; My favorite books?? Matthew Reilly's. (Look it up) Why arent they popular? Because not a whole bunch of people like reading longer books written by an Australian who writes about American conspiracies. Why is twilight popular? Because Millions of girls all around the world Want to read a book about a strong romance book.
The same thing applies to music; The Beiber is more popular than my favourite band, Korpiklaani, because the genre of music is more enjoyable to the greater masses. Folk/Metal just doesnt resonate with either the Lovey-Pop music crowd, or the Rap/Dubstep crowd, for what i presume are obvious reasons.

Taking it one step further; Popular people are popular for a reason.

I wasnt popular in school. Why? Cause im probably that fattest person in Western Australia. Have been for years. Why was someone else popular? Becuase they were
a) Rich, therefore able to squander cash and invite people over to the no doubt rich homes, b) Good at sports, therefore (In a sporty country; where sports are a massive part of school life) people would automatically try and join the (Litteral) Winning team, and
c) Were a much better alternative to being friends with the obese short guy who was only known for enjoying "Video Games" Such as "Kingdom Hearts".

So yes, popular people are popular for a reason, and, whether by fate or design, they deserve it.

Now i would love to debunk that Jersey shore/FireFly thing, but i cant. Mainly because Jersey shore isnt a Australian thing, and i have no idea what it is, and i saw FireFly, but Didnt like it.

(FakeEdit: Upon some quick googling, i cant find a single mention of Jersey Shore airing in Australia, the only direct reference was someone called Snooki "Comming to Australia" at some point. The only knowledge i have of this show is off Memebase, so im not even including that in my responce)

 

[Something Amyss]

And Hawkeye looks like...Like you can't win 'em all I guess.

I honestly don't think that anyone who was disappointed by the last three movies is going to be hopeful for this one.

They were hopeful for the last one, and the one before that.

Pattern recognition is not strong in fanboys. Beyond that, it furthers the cycle by generating even more outrage. What's worse than a shitty Transformers movie? A shitty Transformers movie when you're expecting a good one. Or at least a decent one.

Same happened with Star Wars and Spider-Man (More with the former, because the number of people who hated it were higher).

Rocky and Bullwinkle were before my time, but they ran like crazy in syndication when I was young. You could see 'em on like ten channels. This is going somewhere, trust me.

So there was this bit that served as a bumper between segments, where Bullwinkle would say he was going to pull a Rabbit out of his hat. There were four variants, none of which produced a rabbit. One features Rocky saying "that trick never works," and another Bullwinkle says "This time for sure."

I think people in general tend to suffer from this, from politics to entertainment. We Tip Our Hats to the New Revolution, Pick Up Our Guitars and Play, and Get Down On Our Knees and Pray....We Don't Get Fooled Again. It's like, a natural human tendency. But it's always worse with the fanatics, be they comic fanatics or religious zealots.

And in all cases, it usually ends up being "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

"This time, for sure!"

A lot of the people who hate the movies go back for just this reason. A lot of people who bitched about Transformers: Another Brick in the Wall will be back for this "Reboot." Just like pretty much everyone I knew who hated Star Wars: Episode 1 went back to see Attack of the Clones.

I love the whole us and them aspect to this. The nimrdo nation compared to Bob's sophisticated lovers of cinema who enjoy the fine film of G.I Joe and engage in intelligent discussions of the perkiness of an actress breasts while stating their opposition to misogyny.

XD. Yeah, love the contradiction of going crazy over Transformers but loving GI Joe.

Because action movies with a lot of explosions are for dumb people...Unless Snake Eyes is in it.

 

[minuialear]

When has it become the general assumtion that someone's taste is in direct connection to their inteligence? Bob himself is a rather smart fellow, yet he likes movies such as Sucker Punch. Does that mean he's an idiot who shouldn't be allowed to operate vehicles? No, it means he's a guy who likes the occasional crap film. He's no different from the people who happen to like the Transformers movies.

Alright, responding to this is probably a mistake on my part but I've had about enough of this particular point - the Sucker Punch thing, I mean.

Firstly, there is a difference between a movie (or any other piece of art) being smart/stupid/meaningful/shallow and being GOOD or BAD (or "well-executed" or poorly-executed) in any one person's opinion. I don't "expect" everyone to call, "Sucker Punch" GOOD; but that it's NOT a "stupid" film - that it's actually slightly over-stuffed with IDEAS, meaning, layers of symbolism both thematic and visual, genuine imagination and actually attempts (with mixed results, to be sure) to actual SAY something is objectively provable simply by watching it... which I'll give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you did. It is, in as measurable a way as possible, a smarter movie than any of the Transformers films (which are OPENLY "about" as little as possible); to the point that there's really no discernable reason to compare them.

However, if you're looking for the "difference" between appreciating these two nothing-to-do-with-eachother films, it comes down to where the appreciation comes from. I can find you other legitimate reviews - positive and negative - of "Sucker Punch" aside from mine that found something intellectually engaging about the film. This is NOT as true for the "Transformers" films (though I'm sure a few can be found) whose most passionate defenders tend to come down on the side of "I just want to turn off my brain and watch the fireworks!" "not every movie has to be high-art!" or some variation thereof.

Just because Sucker Punch tried to be clever, doesn't mean it was actually all that clever. I personally don't understand the rationale that trying to seem intelligent and failing makes a movie a whole lot better than another movie that doesn't bother to try and seem intelligent.

I also don't see how, regardless of whether either movie actually has intellectual merit, how you can say that being willing to appreciate a non-intellectual film is an indication of a lack of intelligence in comparison to those who don't like the non-intellectual film. Just because you don't see merit in a movie, doesn't mean that those who can see merit in it are brainwashed members of the masses who can't think for themselves.