I think they also got Blade back at the same time, or maybe it is considered inevitable that Marvel will get the rights back since the actor will be in jail for longer then the expiration of the contract.TheEnglishman said:From what I heard, The Punisher has gone back to Marvel. Movies didn't make that much money (second one was okay though) and there are no plans for another one by other studios.
Not sure how or if they'll use him considering the deal with Disney is that the movies must be PG-13.
Hahahahaa! LOL!Pat Hulse said:Basically, yes. If ASM sucks and does poorly in the box office, it's plausible that Sony will scrap its plans for a sequel and try and sell the license back to Disney while it's still worth something.
And unfortunately, Disney could get a potential huge income from a collaborative work, or they could just get a small income from a failed work done by Fox or Sony (since Marvel still makes money from those movies) and then get the rights back and make an even bigger income from an in-house production that doesn't suck. The only thing they risk going the latter route is whether audiences will get sick of the properties themselves or just sick of studios other than Marvel making Marvel movies. They potentially stand to gain a lot more if they let the other studios fail. And if the other studios don't fail, they still make money off of it. There's not a lot of incentive for them to collaborate with competing studios that they already make money off of through the licensing deal. It's not so much evil as a rational business decision (though those two things are often hard to distinguish).
That's mostly because Fox is still making money from the X-Men franchise, and frankly, X-Men doesn't need to be a part of the MCU continuity to have continuity-based films because X-Men already includes a massive roster to choose from. For example, if they decide to move forward with the Deadpool movie, they could involve Colossus (this was a part of the original leaked draft from a couple years ago).medv4380 said:Hahahahaa! LOL!Pat Hulse said:Basically, yes. If ASM sucks and does poorly in the box office, it's plausible that Sony will scrap its plans for a sequel and try and sell the license back to Disney while it's still worth something.
And unfortunately, Disney could get a potential huge income from a collaborative work, or they could just get a small income from a failed work done by Fox or Sony (since Marvel still makes money from those movies) and then get the rights back and make an even bigger income from an in-house production that doesn't suck. The only thing they risk going the latter route is whether audiences will get sick of the properties themselves or just sick of studios other than Marvel making Marvel movies. They potentially stand to gain a lot more if they let the other studios fail. And if the other studios don't fail, they still make money off of it. There's not a lot of incentive for them to collaborate with competing studios that they already make money off of through the licensing deal. It's not so much evil as a rational business decision (though those two things are often hard to distinguish).
To Paraphrase Fox
We'll Make Strait to DVD movies before we let Disney and Marvel have the rights back! They'll have to rip them out of our cold dead hands.
That would be AWESOME! But... Movie executives, like music executives, aren't much for rational and creative behavior. They are more the petty and short-term vision type, that would rather not see the others make money when they can stop them from making it, even if it means letting an investment opportunity go, such as that one. It would just be too smart a move for them.Xanadu84 said:Also, here's a consideration that might switch around the math in terms of buying IP rights. I bet that The Hulk movies, Captain America, Thor, and even Iron Man are all seeing a resurgence in DVD sales, rentals and the like. I think Hollywood might discover that realistically, the owners of something like Spiderman, Daredevil or the like might as well offer to pay for the right to have there characters put in the next Avengers movie. Wanna bet that more people would see a new, say, Daredevil movie if people recognized him from Avengers? Instead of making a new Fantastic Four movie that tanks to keep the rights, perhaps they pay a small sum of money to put Fantastic Four in the next Avengers, and release THEIR movie a month or so later, and watch as legions of Avengers fans flock to their movie, even if it sucks, to eek a little more out of the universe they have come to love? Like bob said, this movie continuity is an experiment, and I suspect that changing dynamics in the business end might be an unintended consequence.
I'm probably not alone on thinking that Black Widow, Hawkeye, or Black Widow and Hawkeye would make a pretty awesome movie. I'm probably pretty close to alone when I say that I think the new Spiderman looks like it could actually be pretty decent. I mean, it kind of looks like it goes back to the web slinger being a technological invention, not a mutant power. That's something, right? Right guy? Guys...?
A bad movie can be turned out in a couple weeks for far less, and it would keep the right in their hands. These people Hate Disney, and apart from Marvel changing the Comic Movie landscape with Avengers so that Fox and Friends can never many any money off of them. Most of the licences Marvel got back were due to Studio Collapses like MGM. Though, they may forget some of the more obscure titles, but the more Marvel reminds people that they can make money they get reminded of what they bought.Pat Hulse said:That's mostly because Fox is still making money from the X-Men franchise, and frankly, X-Men doesn't need to be a part of the MCU continuity to have continuity-based films because X-Men already includes a massive roster to choose from. For example, if they decide to move forward with the Deadpool movie, they could involve Colossus (this was a part of the original leaked draft from a couple years ago).medv4380 said:Hahahahaa! LOL!
To Paraphrase Fox
We'll Make Strait to DVD movies before we let Disney and Marvel have the rights back! They'll have to rip them out of our cold dead hands.
They might still be able to pull off a decent Fantastic Four movie now that Josh Trank is involved. Don't know if they'll try to fit it in with the X-Men continuity, though.
They might be close to running out the clock on Daredevil. It's been about 7 years since "Elektra" and the word is that they're having a lot of trouble pulling another DD movie together as quickly as they planned. They might churn out a stinker just for the sake of keeping the license, but it becomes a question of "is it really worth the production costs to keep a license that isn't making us any money?"
Daredevil and Fantastic Four could still possibly revert back, but X-Men probably never will.
And to be quite honest, that's not so bad. If you follow Marvel Comics, you'd know that all the X-Men do is make the continuity really really confusing. It might be best that they be kept separate.
If the movies have to be PG-13 then they may just have to sit on Castle. It's too bad because I really loved War Zone but I'd rather they sit him out until Avengers: Civil War than try to soften his image.TheEnglishman said:From what I heard, The Punisher has gone back to Marvel. Movies didn't make that much money (second one was okay though) and there are no plans for another one by other studios.
Not sure how or if they'll use him considering the deal with Disney is that the movies must be PG-13.
But doesn't it seem like "brother voodoo" is a little bit... stereotypical? If he's black, he must go by "brother." If he's black and into magic, it must be "voodoo." In trying to make culturally-relevant references, the primarily-white writers of these stories almost can't help boiling them down into caricatures...bahumat42 said:Marvel already has a magic man who isn't white, i give you brother voodoo , who is a bit of a badass.
That's a big problem, actually. A lot of these characters come from a time when that kind of thing still flew under the radar. The world wasn't ready for a minority hero, but we felt they'd be thrilled with minority villains...Unfortunately a lot of the other international character for marvel are villains
Interesting to me, though, that it'd be okay (and hilarious) for Michael Cera to play Shaft. You could play that for laughs, because "haha, fish out of water!" But if you tried to play, say, a black Spiderman for laughs, that would likely cause mass outrage. The treatment of these things is so all-over-the-map...Shotgun Guy said:Not sure how true it is but I think Dr. Strange is a very likely candidate, however I don't think they'd risk making him a different ethnicity, I'll let Donald Glover tell you why (starts at about 1:00).
It's hard to know precisely what Fox might do considering we do not know the exact terms of the licensing agreement, but it just may be the case that Fox cannot do a direct-to-video release. After all, there have been a few direct-to-video releases for animated features involving X-Men characters, so I don't know if Fox's movie rights extends to direct-to-video stuff. If that's the case, a theatrical release has to meet certain standards. Even crappy movies still need to have a cast and crew, and if the project is obviously terrible, you'd have to pay people quite a bit to get them interested. No matter what, you'd have to spend millions of dollars. Let's use the laziest comic book movie in recent memory as an example: Jonah Hex.medv4380 said:A bad movie can be turned out in a couple weeks for far less, and it would keep the right in their hands. These people Hate Disney, and apart from Marvel changing the Comic Movie landscape with Avengers so that Fox and Friends can never many any money off of them. Most of the licences Marvel got back were due to Studio Collapses like MGM. Though, they may forget some of the more obscure titles, but the more Marvel reminds people that they can make money they get reminded of what they bought.Pat Hulse said:That's mostly because Fox is still making money from the X-Men franchise, and frankly, X-Men doesn't need to be a part of the MCU continuity to have continuity-based films because X-Men already includes a massive roster to choose from. For example, if they decide to move forward with the Deadpool movie, they could involve Colossus (this was a part of the original leaked draft from a couple years ago).medv4380 said:Hahahahaa! LOL!
To Paraphrase Fox
We'll Make Strait to DVD movies before we let Disney and Marvel have the rights back! They'll have to rip them out of our cold dead hands.
They might still be able to pull off a decent Fantastic Four movie now that Josh Trank is involved. Don't know if they'll try to fit it in with the X-Men continuity, though.
They might be close to running out the clock on Daredevil. It's been about 7 years since "Elektra" and the word is that they're having a lot of trouble pulling another DD movie together as quickly as they planned. They might churn out a stinker just for the sake of keeping the license, but it becomes a question of "is it really worth the production costs to keep a license that isn't making us any money?"
Daredevil and Fantastic Four could still possibly revert back, but X-Men probably never will.
And to be quite honest, that's not so bad. If you follow Marvel Comics, you'd know that all the X-Men do is make the continuity really really confusing. It might be best that they be kept separate.