The Big Picture: Wrongs & Rights

[Pat Hulse]

The rights for both Punisher AND Blade have already reverted to Marvel Studios. http://www.comicbookmovie.com/blade_movies/news/?a=42706

I am now imagining an Avengers film with both Punisher and Blade in it.

Woah.
The money they would make.

Blade could be fun. I think he teamed up with Doctor Strange and S.H.I.E.L.D. a few times, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for him to at least have some degree of involvement, though I don't know if he'd really be all that interested in being an Avenger.

As for Punisher, well, if you've read "Civil War", you'd know how the rest of the superhero community feels about him and what would happen if he ever did team up with them.

Short version: Superheroes don't much like Punisher because he kills people. And when they did try to team up with him during a lapse of desperation? Surprise, surprise, he killed people!

But if they ever do a Civil War-based movie, I think you can bet on Punisher being a part of it.

 

[Bloodstain]

black panther was around for ages before he got married to storm, there isn't even a question that he's not an x-character. And i don't see what's controversial about naming yourself after a powerful animal,(see phoenix).

...do you not know who the Black Panther Party was/is?

I do but i fail to see why their acts should influence what the world gets to watch in its movies

I agree. Sadly, that does not stop people from causing an outrage, which is bad for a film's publicity and thus the money its creators make.

 

[Dasick]

So to recap, we have lawyers, briefcases, suits and all, sitting around, arguing whether Submariner is a mutant or not, what technically is a mutant, which continuity is the cannon one etc etc.

Am I the only one that wants to see a case like this make to court?

Judge: "This is Baloney, Spider-Man is totaly a mutant, as demonstrated in the 1994 Animated Series Season 2, Episode 17: The Mutant Agenda. Fox really shouldn't worry about loosing the license and should really stop making that unnecessary re-boot."

Lawyer: "Your honor, Fox film 'X-men First Class' demonstrates in the scene 'Xavier the douchbro', conversation of 'Xavior v. Easily Impressed College Girl', the broadness of the 'mutant' label used within the Marvel Universe. However, it was established in the 2003 4chan thread of 'Pedo1337 v. WilSux4Hax' that the term 'Mutant' fully applies only to named characters first introduced as a full-fledged memeber of the 'Xavier Institute for Higher Learning' or 'Brotherhood of Mutants'"

 

[WolfThomas]

Not having the FF, Spiderman, Wolverine or Daredevil isn't really a problem for the Avengers (it is more for Disney making shitloads more money). Most of them haven't been Avengers until recently. You've still got a lot of great classic avengers and other marvel characters like:
Black Panther
Ant-man, Wasp
Vision (with Utlron as villain)
Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Jessica Jones
Spiderwoman (wouldn't that piss Sony off)
Captain Marvel, Ms Marvel, Noh-varr/Protector
Doctor Strange
Black Knight, Captain Britain and non-mutant Excalibur/MI13
Nova, Guardians of the Galaxy
Runaways

If I'm not mistaken, isn't Apokolips the first mutant technically??

Namor is the first mutant, in the sense he was the mutant invented by Marvel, back in the thirties. And he is generally considered the first modern mutant of the 20th century, a herald for the huge population boom that was to occur. Previously people like Apocalypse were just rare flukes of nature.

 

[loa]

Why is the "IP" a finite resource?
Why can't a movie studio just go to marvel and buy some paperwork limited contract whateverthehell to make 1 movie about the hulk or whatever other marvel character/universe?
Why can they sit on it, preventing other, less shit movie makers from making a movie by cranking out more movies that are shit?

Why is this so goddamn clunky?

 

[JoelChenFA]

So, here's a question: Why can't the studios collaborate? Y'know, like they all go "Okay we'll make the movie and divide the gross 3 ways and split the budget 3 ways. Each of us invests 60 to 100 million, each of us is almost guaranteed to get that back and then some".

Oversimplification is now done, let's see how I'm out of touch!

Maybe in Communist Russia that the way they do it. But capitalism fueled by greed? That's why "rights" and lawyers exist no?

 

[JoelChenFA]

I keep praying that Fox backs down on the next Daredevil. That way we can get a Heroes For Hire movie with him, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist. Sad that the Iron Fist movie Marvel was rumored to be working on years ago never got anywhere, Ray Parks would have been the lead.

To Marvel: The Avengers just made piles of money, put it to use buying your rights back

Unfortunately in Business (and Pawn Stars) you don't make money paying more than market value for something. Even if you paid more you better hope you earn it back. Anyone holding the rights is going to leverage the current hype of Avengers to ask for insane prices. As they should.

 

[JoelChenFA]

If we wanted to get Spider man, x-men, et cetera back under Marvel's roof does that mean we should boycott the new Spider-man film?

I have thus decided to boycott just in case it works

 

[JoelChenFA]

Great video, Bob, very much taps into the questions that are circulating in the wake of the movie, and clears up a fair bit of stuff.

Also, Marvel are going to need to get their game on and release quite a few more new hero movies because ...

Spoiler

... otherwise Thanos will absolutely obliterate The Avengers in the second film.

Spoiler

Avengers 2. Roll Intro Marvel comic book flipping scene. Thanos flicks fingers. Fade to black. Avengers eat shwarma.

We will watch it anyways.

 

[Vausch]

So, here's a question: Why can't the studios collaborate? Y'know, like they all go "Okay we'll make the movie and divide the gross 3 ways and split the budget 3 ways. Each of us invests 60 to 100 million, each of us is almost guaranteed to get that back and then some".

Oversimplification is now done, let's see how I'm out of touch!

Maybe in Communist Russia that the way they do it. But capitalism fueled by greed? That's why "rights" and lawyers exist no?

So you're saying capitalism, the system that says you can make money by any means possible, is preventing them of doing something that would probably guarantee a billion-dollar movie because they're too interested in money.

My head hurts.

 

[Shirokurou]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but i heard that in DC, supposedly each writer/creator owns their character, and that's why they can't make a Justice League movie, cause they'd need all of the writers to agree and that's too expensive or something...
Again, can't remember where I heard this, so... yeah.

 

[trust Milo]

Marvel got the rights back for Punisher and Blade

 

[Britisheagle]

How confusing - such a shame that Marvel sold off their rights before becoming a movie brand themselves. I would love to see members of the X-Men and Spiderman or even the Fantastic 4 working with the Avengers. Even if it just to finish the Illuminati should they want to include them in a film.

That beng said there are a lot of other heroes they could still use - Black Panther, Luke Cage, Dr Strange etc. Also could Juggernaught be used? In some stories lines I thought he wasn't classed as a mutant but gets his power from some God (recently read World War Hulk).

If all this fails I say we boycott all other films to make them wanna sell their rights back to Marvel!! Yeah that's not gonna happen...

 

[murdeoc]

what really gets me is that i had to read this whole damn thread without anyone asking about juggernaut, he isnt a mutant right? does he belong with the x-men because of his relation to the xaviers?
i mean, let spidey have a rumble with him... jugger was wrongly portraid as a mutant already in the xmen last stand movie, as a punishment he should be free for all now!