The Blades are idiots (MASSIVE Skyrim main quest spoilers)

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Chiasm

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I killed Parthanax out of curiosity and the whole battle just felt so anti-cliamtic and wrong and unepic; by the time you get Parthanax's attack flag to trigger he is around 10% health. So with one strong swing he just collapses and dies, it really feels like you just clubbed grandpa. Not even voting for Udina felt as dirty as killing that poor old dragon.
 

Insanum

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I decided not to fight Parth, but to be honest the blades kind of took a back seat after that part of the story. They said 'Kill Parth' and I just said 'ill think about it' and walked away from them.

Has anyone actually killed Parth?
 

DracoSuave

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Kopikatsu said:
I think the fact that there are still hostile Dragons after you beat the game is more of a gameplay and story segregation kind of thing. Otherwise, it would be 'You beat the game but don't have enough souls to get all the Shouts? Sucks for you!'

Not really sure about the whole power vaccum thing...did it say that anywhere? Because...
Paarthurnax was instrumental in Alduin's defeat the first time around. And after Alduin was beaten, Paarth just kind of...didn't do anything at all.
P. pretty much tells you that he's got a lot of taking over to do. One reason P. didn't take over is because he knew Alduin was trapped in time, not dead or defeated. Dragons are the children of the god of time; so 'eventually the big bad overlord will return' is enough for said overlord to keep his power.

He helped the three heroes figure out Dragonrend, but Dragonrend can't be used by a dragon; the three words are antithetical to the essence of the dragon. But Paarthunax's motives are not benevolent, nor malevolent; they just happen to coincide with the Dovahkiin's.
 

Kyogissun

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As unfortunate as it is, if one is playing a 'corrupted' empire playthrough (I.E. one wherein their character is directly manipulating the outcome of the empire's reign over, killing a certain significant figure, working through the blades, establishing a 'secure' comfort over skyrim allowing a false sense of security for said corrupt PC to thief and murder their way through, like my first PC) the Blades are a PERFECT choice.

It's those inconsistent shades of grey that result in players like myself being unsure of who to support. I STILL haven't finished New Vegas because there is 'literally' no one I feel comfortable backing entirely. The legion supports a blind faith to their cause, the NCR is an almost military state functioning, Mr. House is an arrogant dick and the independent approach ends up making me feel like if my character isn't a genius or an idealist, they're not fit to run vegas.

For non-roleplayers, a faction system like new vegas is more ideal, because it lets the player make a toss of the coin as to how they'll handle the story. For Skyrim though, it definetly makes them feel more 'constricted' whereas roleplayers can set up a branching layout for how they wish to have the state of Skyrim unfold.

And let me tell you, playing a Khajit who's sort of pulling the empire's strings (in a non-obvious way) makes for a lot of fun.
 

kebab4you

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Fuck the blades, murdered every single one of them(including the ones I had just recruited) when they told me this. A-holes everyone of them.
 

Syzygy23

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suitepee7 said:
i'm not at that point yet, but i had a looksies at the spoiler anyway. is there any way you can say no to them and continue the main quest?
yes, you have to the option of talking to paarthurnax and getting help from him instead. In fact, before I even read this topic, I didn't know you COULDN'T only help paarthurnax. Paarthurnax is cool, he's like a bro to the dovakhiin. I guess you could say he is a... BROvakhiin?
 

DasDestroyer

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Honestly, it took me a few seconds to remember who the blades are. And now I realized that I left them in that crypt with Alduin's wall and went on to learn Dragonrend and defeat Alduin. I'm gonna have to pay them a visit... and promptly cut them up when they offer to kill P.
 

DEAD34345

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Kopikatsu said:
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I don't remember if they explained why Ulfric can use Shouts, but I imagine the reason the Greybeards don't just teach people willy nilly is because it has the chance to backfire horrifically (Like someone walking up to the High King and Shouting him to death for instance). Also, it takes a really, REALLY long time to learn them if you aren't Dragonborn.
Ulfric was selected to become a Greybeard (and received years of training), but didn't like how "disconnected" they were from Skyrim's troubles, so he left them to fight in the great war when it happened.

OT: DAMN YOU! The warning and spoiler box were not enough..

Still, it sounds like the main quest gets more interesting later, so I may actually start up on it again. It might be the first TES main quest I ever complete...
 

Eggsnham

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MiracleOfSound said:
Because I know someone is going to neglect to read the title, I shall spoiler box the following.

Refusing to help me anymore until I kill Parrthurnax? Really?

I can completely understand why they would bear a grudge against him due to his history. But to suddenly turn around and alienate Dovahkiin unless he kills him is just flat out retarded.

I thought the Blades were about honour and morals, not petty revenge that, in its short sightedness, potentially endangers the entire world by way of their inaction - alienating and wishing destruction on what is probably their greatest ally and asset in the struggle.

There really should have been another choice here. Dovahkiin should have been able to explain to Delphine and Old Wrinkly Neck how it is wrong to judge a beast on its primal nature, especially one who has spent thousands of years overcoming its nature in order to transcend it and improve itself ethically. The moral question is there, I'm not attempting to answer it here, just suggesting that Delphine is an idiot for posing it at the time she did.

What did you guys think? were the Blades right here or was it a really dumb request?
Yeah, I thought it was really dumb. I at least felt like there should have been an option to try and explain to them how they were really wrong.
 

Supertask

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I've completed the main quest and this never came up, as I recall the moment I met Parrthurnax I stopped contacting the Blades completely, and haven't gone back to that temple they reside in yet.
 

ZeZZZZevy

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Ah yes, I thought this was really retarded and short-sighted as well. I mean wow really? It's so entirely childish. So I just ignored them for the rest of the game, because they weren't worth my time.
 

mr_major

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In response to the fact that the dovakhiin has a dragon soul. With the Blades "serving" the dragonborn, it may just be a cover to make sure that he doesn't go mad with power and if he starts to they are right behind him/her to put a sword in his/her back. They just know that the only way to kill a dragon is using the dragonborn to absorb the soul so they may just be using him as a tool and Delphine was just a little too forward about it.
 

snagli

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But... that old dragon is one of my favorite characters in the game. Why on earth would I trust the retards who didn't do anything useful for the last 200 years, or the old chaps who didn't get out of their castle since they were 12? I didn't even hesitate when I had to choose between Paarthurnax, Arngeir and The Blades.
 

seraphy

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They didn't think things through indeed. Only reason humans beat alduins dragon cult in the first place was because Parth sided with humans and taught them how to use shouts.

So only reason Alduin isn't still ruling everyone is Parth and those morons want us to kill him. Great job.
 

The Abhorrent

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Spoiler tags everywhere in this topic, so may as well follow suit:

The Blades' request to kill Parrthurnax (or however you spell it) seems to be motivated by three key issues:

Justice
Regardless of the fact Parrthurnax defected from Alduin the first time and was instrumental to his defeat in Skyrim, the Blades (probably) do have a point here. Parrthurnax (is said to have) committed countless atrocities before he changed sides, some of which have not been forgotten (and may never be). Perhaps Parrthurnax has atoned for this by being instrumental in Alduin's defeat, perhaps not... or was it even atonement at all?

You can NEVER trust a dovah [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MasterRace]
As said by Parrthurnax himself (if questioned about the Blades' request to kill him), all dragons have an inherent desire to dominate and rule... including the Dragonborn. He says he has managed to go against his instincts through centuries (if not millenia) of meditation, but not a single day goes by without being tempted; he's done well to keep it up for so long, but it's something which will probably never go away. Nevertheless, he even says it's wise to never trust a dovah for this reason; though he does declare you can trust him, which makes for a curious predicament. There's also the implication that he used the Dragonborn to remove Alduin so that he could take over, and whether it was for a noble or selfish reasons; and if it's the former, will he succumb to the later?

Paranoia [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProperlyParanoid]
The two surviving members of the Blades call themselves paranoid (or at least Delphine does), and it's for good reason; the Thalmor have been hunting them for almost three decades, something which would make anyone paranoid. This means they're quick to jump to conclusions, particularly when distrusting people; they've been that way because they had to be in order to survive. They distrust Parrthurnax because he's a dragon, and it's wise to distrust any dovah as a matter of principle. With the implication that he could either become a dangerous enemy to all with his newfound position as leader of the dovah after Alduin's defeat, or that he was always working towards that.... well, there's plenty of reason for their distrust. As for why they've asked the Dragonborn to kill him, that's fairly obvious; only a Dragonborn can kill a dragon and make it stay dead.

So yes, the Blades have their reasons. I don't really agree with them, nor am I going to comply with their demands (not until it proves to be justified, if ever at all). But their seemingly outrageous demand does make (some) sense.
 

Frost27

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I stole my blades Katana off the wall in Delphine's secret room, my business with them is done.