The Colbert Retort

[The Material Sheep]

...So basically this is another incident where everything can be summed up as "Twitter Is Bad For Communication"?

Well, looks like I gotta expand my "Why I Don't Use Twitter" list.

Where twitter is bad for communication, and tumblr/sjw's take advantage of the lack of context to fuel their pseudo outrage.

 

[Jingle Fett]

The real problem here is twitter.

If Park had read an article summarising the episode instead of a short quote taken out of context then there would be no misunderstanding about Stephen's feelings regarding Asian-Americans.

Really hope Colbert satirises this.

Never mind that, she knew exactly what he has saying and is just a typical sjw. Jesus, why the hell do these people exist. Now I really hope Colbert rips her apart.

Edit: For anyone like me that thought this was born out of a misunderstanding on Park's part, here's a video for you (I know, I know, HuffPost):

Oh wow after seeing that, I really hope Colbert tears her a new one. She's precisely the kind of person Colbert specializes in: someone completely oblivious to their own hypocrisy. Wouldn't surprise me if they invite her on the show at some point to let her completely speak her mind.

 

[Kameburger]

I think people like Park is why the term "SJW" exists at all. I remember listing to an episode of the Dismal Jesters with Escapist's Jim Sterling, and they talked quite a bit about the definition of this word and how they don't quite get how its supposed to be derogatory. Well it is people like Park that make me understand. This idea that we should grab our pitch forks and torches to protest every small gaff, or threaten boycotts and revolutions for problems that simple open and honest communication could solve. People who pull out the sword when the pen would suffice. These are the people that give that word power.

I support the Asian American movement, and I am friends with quite a few people who may be considered activists in this movement who I would gladly help in any way I could. Certainly that's not to imply that I agree with everything they say, but they are vocal about what they believe, and are always willing to discuss the best way to move forward. Park is not one of these people. I could never support a person who believes that hate a bigotry should be battled with vitriol and spiteful bigotry of her own; or more likely doesn't even have the sense to know that this is what she is doing.

 

[sleeky01]

I'm not as down on Tumblr-style activism as some are.

Oh be very thankful for that Bob.

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[The Material Sheep]

I'm not as down on Tumblr-style activism as some are.

Oh be very thankful for that Bob.


What's so funny about that is that Bob often goes along with the whole hyper sensitive, buzz word shilling crowd.

 

[martyrdrebel27]

The real problem here is twitter.

If Park had read an article summarising the episode instead of a short quote taken out of context then there would be no misunderstanding about Stephen's feelings regarding Asian-Americans.

Really hope Colbert satirises this.

Never mind that, she knew exactly what he has saying and is just a typical sjw. Jesus, why the hell do these people exist. Now I really hope Colbert rips her apart.

Edit: For anyone like me that thought this was born out of a misunderstanding on Park's part, here's a video for you (I know, I know, HuffPost):

i made it two minutes in before i had to stop. i can't wait til this girl returns the semi-anonymous status she came from. i mean, immediately she admits that her sensationalism is just that, not an actual call for action. she thinks that the only way to gather attention to a topic is to go as extremist as possible.

 

[Amir Kondori]

@suey_park is 22, people are allowed to be stupid at 22. It would be nice if she apologized, but I get the sense that she is someone who can never admit to being wrong.

 

[Aardvaarkman]

That's a reasonable point. I think it galls me more in left-wing culture because inclusion and tolerance are supposed to be something the left-leaning internalize in their philosophy; the right-leaning seem more likely to say that they never claimed to be looking out for anyone outside of their tribe, or trying to develop or change their traditions.

Well, they also tend to claim they are standing up for Freedom and the Constitution. So, there's plenty of hypocrisy to go around.

 

[Aardvaarkman]

". . .hijacking the conversation in order to make Park the latest subject of The Internet's favorite pastime: Beating Up Girls For Having Opinions."

That's incredibly sexist. To think that, if you disagree with a woman, you are beating her up, is pretty condescending.

No, I'm pretty sure it's not about disagreeing with her, and more about the harassing of her.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with her opinions, but why the need for the ridiculous abuse?

Alas, most people just think Suey Park is wrong and they disagree with her strongly. I bet that they would have done the same if she was a man. But then that victim card wouldn't be valid.

I disagree with her strongly, but that doesn't mean harassment is OK. If she was a man, it's highly unlikely that she would get the same kind of threats.

 

[martyrdrebel27]

5 minutes in and i love his response already. first, the dismissive joke dream sequence, then right into a separate racial story, showing that he isn't going to be stopped from being who he is.

EDIT: handled perfectly throughout the whole first act. i love that the Malkin lady cosigned the "Cancel Colbert" movement and also wrote a book called "In Defense of Internment" haha. brilliant.

 

[The Material Sheep]

". . .hijacking the conversation in order to make Park the latest subject of The Internet's favorite pastime: Beating Up Girls For Having Opinions."

That's incredibly sexist. To think that, if you disagree with a woman, you are beating her up, is pretty condescending.

No, I'm pretty sure it's not about disagreeing with her, and more about the harassing of her.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with her opinions, but why the need for the ridiculous abuse?

Alas, most people just think Suey Park is wrong and they disagree with her strongly. I bet that they would have done the same if she was a man. But then that victim card wouldn't be valid.

I disagree with her strongly, but that doesn't mean harassment is OK. If she was a man, it's highly unlikely that she would get the same kind of threats.

They would have absolutely done the same thing if she was a man, it just would have been death threats instead of rape threats. This myth that men on the internet who say unpopular things, are in anyway insulated from the Internet hate train is laughable. The guy who made Fez is a sterling example. The guy was a bit of a prick, but that didn't mean he deserved the death threats and harassment. It was so bad it drove him out of the industry. What makes this any different. It's a person with an unpopular perspective trying to draw attention to herself, and the internet acted in a typical fashion of hand crafted personal insults and harassment. Hardly anything substantive, but non the less it's condensed hate being flung at you meant to go for as many low blows as possible.

Let me be clear here. I hate the way internet culture seems to foster this kind of behavior. I hate that it can be considered a standard affair now a days. I do want this kind of behavior to be lessened in someway. However, internet harassment and threats of this nature, are not a gender issue. It's just easier in our society to circle the wagons around a woman being harassed then a man who is being harassed. Plain and simple.

 

[Aardvaarkman]

They would have absolutely done the same thing if she was a man, it just would have been death threats instead of rape threats.

Absolute nonsense. There are men in this very thread who have posted essentially the same thing, and they have not got death threats.

You are aware that these women get death threats in addition to rape threats, right? Why is it that the men don't get rape threats, while women have to deal with the threats of both rape and death?

However, internet harassment and threats of this nature, are not a gender issue. It's just easier in our society to circle the wagons around a woman being harassed then a man who is being harassed. Plain and simple.

Totally wrong and complex. This just does not happen to males in the same way. It has a lot to do with gender.

 

[The Material Sheep]

They would have absolutely done the same thing if she was a man, it just would have been death threats instead of rape threats.

Absolute nonsense. There are men in this very thread who have posted essentially the same thing, and they have not got death threats.

You are aware that these women get death threats in addition to rape threats, right? Why is it that the men don't get rape threats, while women have to deal with the threats of both rape and death?

However, internet harassment and threats of this nature, are not a gender issue. It's just easier in our society to circle the wagons around a woman being harassed then a man who is being harassed. Plain and simple.

Totally wrong and complex. This just does not happen to males in the same way. It has a lot to do with gender.

The the men in this forum aren't starting a campaign to cancel a TV show. It is in NO way equivalent in the slightest. I once again bring you to Phil Fish, who was 100% harassed by the internet out of the spot light with very little sympathy until he actually left.

At the end of it. What makes a rape threat worse then a death threat? Seriously. Men get death threats against them and their families all the time when they are unpopular and drawing a lot of attention to themselves. What is your justification for a difference?

 

[LetalisK]

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Oh my god, I about lost it with laughter at three and a half minutes in when, several times, she says, and I quote, "...especially as a white man, I don't expect you to understand..."

Just...wow. She's bitching about Colbert making a "racist" joke while she's actively displaying racism herself.

That's fucking gold.

Everyone knows that white people don't have the capacity for sympathy or cognitive reasoning. Disagreements must be because you're white.

/sarcasm

Seriously though, "As an X, I don't expect you to understand..." is quickly becoming racist short-hand akin to "I have a black friend". It probably had some value at some point in time, but now it's a racist go-to tagline for self-justification.

 

[Darth_Payn]

This right here is the problem: "influential/heavily-followed ... social-media activist" since all it is is a person that says "I dont like it so you shouldnt like it either" to its followers.

That sounds like Marge Simpson's philosophy on changing society (from Itchy & Scratchy to MMA Fighting). Except I don't think Marge knows Twitter's a thing, since one of her recurring gags is being behind on technology.

Well, one more reason to not join Twitter. It makes you sound like a goddamned idiot.

 

[Aardvaarkman]

The the men in this forum aren't starting a campaign to cancel a TV show.

Oh, I see. Because wanting to cancel a TV show totally justifies harassment.

I once again bring you to Phil Fish, who was 100% harassed by the internet out of the spot light with very little sympathy until he actually left.

Which was a terrible thing, but was very unusual (unlike the harassment of women both online and in-person). And also had nothing to do with his gender.

At the end of it. What makes a rape threat worse then a death threat? Seriously.

I never said it was worse. Did you read my post? I said that women get both death threats and rape threats. And I asked the question why it is the women who get the rape threats, but not usually the men. Do you have an explanation for that?

Men get death threats against them and their families all the time when they are unpopular and drawing a lot of attention to themselves.

No, they don't. There are lots of men with unpopular opinions who draw attention to themselves, and they rarely get death threats.

What is your justification for a difference?

I didn't justify anything. What's your justification for the way men and women are treated differently?

If you are so against this kind of behavior, then why do you want to make excuses for it when it happens to women? Why would you offer any of the responses you do above, where you seem to say that it's a perfectly normal thing? Why don't you just condemn the behavior, rather than trying to equivocate?

Does men being victims of harassment justify the harassment of women? If not, then what exactly are you trying to argue?

 

[Vigormortis]

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Even though the interviewer was being a bit of a dick throughout, I was a little disappointed he didn't immediately jump on her for her "as a white man" and "people of color" comments.

Though, props to the guy for not exploding into a torrent of unbridled laughter at the hypocrisy on display. I know I would have.

 

[The Material Sheep]

1. I never said it justified harassment in anyway shape or form. Cut out the straw men.

2. The funny thing about Phil Fish is that it he got attention for being harassed. Male Journalists and online personalities are heavily harassed with various messages from, accusations of sexual misconduct to death threats to family. This doesn't get addressed because unfortunately it's standard operating procedure for the interwebs.

3. Men don't get rape threats, because society doesn't tell men the greatest evil in the world has been done to you if you've been raped. It's just doesn't hold the same cultural weight to throw a rape threat at a man. It's why they get more death threats and threats to family, as it's more likely to get a rise out of a man then a rape threat would.

4. Rarely get death threats? Do you ever hear what journalists for online news sources get? Are you kidding me? Threats to person and family are standard business for males on the internet. They don't get publicized, but that's mainly because it's not marketable to show a man being harassed. It's a cultural perception that men don't need defending and women do, so when it happens to a woman it's publicized to a ridiculous degree.

5. I'm not making any excuses for anyone. I'm saying it's all horrible, it's just not a gender issue. Sweet Christ dude, I know your looking for an argument that's REALLY easy to beat and make you look like the smartest guy in the room, but I'm not playing on those terms. I'm not belittling anyone's harassment, I'm saying it's NOT a gender issue, it's just AN ISSUE. An issue we all have to deal with that effects everyone and doesn't target anyone one group specifically. It's just a horrid aspect of internet culture due to a lot of anonymity and wanting to get the cheapest and easiest rise out of people that put themselves out their looking for attention. How do we fix it? Fuck if I know, but I damn sure know that misdirecting attention from the issue to treat symptoms and not causes is not going to help.

 

[Grey Edwards]

Well all I see here is one cishet white male condescending to whitesplain and mansplain why what another cishet white male said isn't hateful and bigoted. Maybe they both just need to check their privilege and stop whining about their first world problems.

I can't believe the guy that told me about the unconventional racism of Halo, just how awful it is make a media product aimed at teenage boys, South Park as a gated community, and other similar gems is getting cold feet all of sudden.

Seriously though, #CancelColbert and #IStandWithSuey. I can't think of justice more poetic than for a white male minstrel show to be hoist on its own politically correct petard.

Sigh. Crap like this is just as racist and bigoted as the things you campaign against. For reference, hating on the "majority" makes you just as bad as people who hate on people in the "minorities".

 

[launchpadmcqwak]

I feel quite strongly that disliking something, even disliking something strongly, is not reason enough for that thing to cease to exist.

If all leftists like bob thought like you, this site and the internet in general would be bearable.