The devils greatest trick.....

[sms_117b]

.....Is convincing the world he doesn't exist, well that's the saying anyway.

But what if, his greatest trick isn't that, but convincing everyone that he's God and the one we now refer to as God doesn't exist at all.

OK, keep reading this bit, but the bulk of the next paragraph is most important, I'm atheist and don't believe any of this anyway, I just thought this would be a interesting idea. So to the nitty gritty!

What if the devil created everything, not for the same reason as god, but because he wanted to see and manipulate a universe to his whim and laugh. Actions from the old testament perhaps Cain was manipulated to kill Abel to break the family, perhaps the Earth was flooded just for the hell of it, the saving of animals and man was just to continue his fun after wards in the drenched remains. Perhaps languages and the destruction of the Tower of Babel was to help keep his secret. Perhaps the weekly worship is to feed his ever growing ego. Use your imagination to manipulate the other stories and aspects.

Now, this is a thought, don't know where it came from, but I thought it was interesting. What do you all think?

In fact I also encourage you all to manipulate the stories to make the Devil the guy in charge.

Final note, promise, lets not descend this into a flame war, I'm not trying to belittle Christianity or anything, Escapians, we're better than religious flame wars.

 

[Kiutu]

Well, my theory is that God is evil, weak, not real, or a neutral mindless force simply keeping existance..existing. So the God is Satan thing could work, or rather, Christianity if any right, is polytheistic and both 'God' and Satan are its deities of equal power. Ofcourse, this still means God is not ALL powerful.

 

[lewism247]

.....Is convincing the world he doesn't exist, well that's the saying anyway.

But what if, his greatest trick isn't that, but convincing everyone that he's God and the one we now refer to as God doesn't exist at all.

OK, keep reading this bit, but the bulk of the next paragraph is most important, I'm atheist and don't believe any of this anyway, I just thought this would be a interesting idea. So to the nitty gritty!

What if the devil created everything, not for the same reason as god, but because he wanted to see and manipulate a universe to his whim and laugh. Actions from the old testament perhaps Cain was manipulated to kill Abel to break the family, perhaps the Earth was flooded just for the hell of it, the saving of animals and man was just to continue his fun after wards in the drenched remains. Perhaps languages and the destruction of the Tower of Babel was to help keep his secret. Perhaps the weekly worship is to feed his ever growing ego. Use your imagination to manipulate the other stories and aspects.

Now, this is a thought, don't know where it came from, but I thought it was interesting. What do you all think?


In fact I also encourage you all to manipulate the stories to make the Devil the guy in charge.

Final note, promise, lets not descend this into a flame war, I'm not trying to belittle Christianity or anything, Escapians, we're better than religious flame wars.

sounds like a branch of freemasonry

 

[RetiarySword]

Soo.. your putting a spin on religious stories.. I see. That is interesting, I was going to post a demotivational poster but I want to see where this heads.

 

[Amnestic]

Escapians.

I think you mean "Escapists".

As for your idea~~~ meh. I'm not convinced. I'm not much convinced by the original stories either, but still, if the devil's meant to be this super cunning, intelligent, manipulative bastard, there's gotta be an easier way. It just seems so...roundabout and long winded.

 

[El Poncho]

The would make a better god anyway he wouldn't kill as many people.

The snake was actually the real god imprisoned in his own creation and if Adam and Eve ate a certain amount of apples in the tree it would release him and take his revenge on the devil, then the devil threw Adam and Eve out to prevent this.

 

[Casual Shinji]

For an atheist you sure seem to ponder a lot about religion.

 

[SaunaKalja]

There would be no way to tell the difference between a benevolent god and a malevolent devil posing as a benevolent god. And there's absolutely no reason to believe either one exists.

 

[sms_117b]

For an atheist you sure seem to ponder a lot about religion.

I ponder many things, I'd make about 2 threads every day if I posted them all, so try to limit it to the ones that may inspire the most conversation.

The snake was actually the real god imprisoned in his own creation and if Adam and Eve ate a certain amount of apples in the tree it would release him and take his revenge on the devil, then the devil threw Adam and Eve out to prevent this.

I like that.

I think we should get you a lass if I'm completely honest, then again I'm atheist. But looking at this through the eyes of someone who isn't, I'd say it wouldn't bloody surprise me. Its just what we need to end with, when this world eventually does come to an end.

A lass, as in a misses? Sad thing is I currently have one if you do.

 

[JoshGod]

all this time my god was the devil noooooooooooooooooooooooo

anyway im athiest so dont believe that either but yes its a very interesting thing and ill remember it if religious people get onto me. jehovas witnesses are gunna be ennoyed. infact im gunna save it.

thatll learn em for trying to make me religious how about i try to convince them there is no god but there is a devil.

what? they're trying to give me false hope so im gunna give em false fear.

infact perhaps some devil icons around the house to ward the buggers of lol. and when they nock start speaking in a devil voice. YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY. so how can i help you today. the homeowner, well mr E(evil) Devil isnt back until later ill give him a leaflet though.HAHAHAHA(slowly close door)HAHAHAHA

 

[ottenni]

Ahhh you all forget something very important. The Devil was in a prison in china, and then he got the shit kicked out of him by Bruce Wayne. So remember, there is no devil, only Batman.

But really. If were going on this path of alternate possibilities we could just say that we are all just brains in a vat matrix style.

 

[StarStruckStrumpets]

I could offer my opinion, but I don't wish to contribute to a thread that could spiral out of control...I'm not sure what to do.

I must consult with the oracle.

 

[LooK iTz Jinjo]

I'm an atheist. I'm not going to believe in a Devil rather than God, same principle. I've heard this before and explored it, as I also explored the other ideas and religions, and it's not something that appealed to me.

For an atheist you sure seem to ponder a lot about religion.

One cannot dismiss something one does not understand without simply being ignorant.

I could offer my opinion, but I don't wish to contribute to a thread that could spiral out of control...I'm not sure what to do.

I must consult with the oracle.

Your opinion would have been more help in keeping such a thread on track than posting about how you don't want to contribute. Guess what? You just contributed to de-railing this thread.

 

[T5seconds]

Well, my theory is that God is evil, weak, not real, or a neutral mindless force simply keeping existance..existing. So the God is Satan thing could work, or rather, Christianity if any right, is polytheistic and both 'God' and Satan are its deities of equal power. Ofcourse, this still means God is not ALL powerful.

Yep... We have to remember that Chuck Norris the only one who is almighty...

 

[Casual Shinji]

For an atheist you sure seem to ponder a lot about religion.

I ponder many things, I'd make about 2 threads every day if I posted them all, so try to limit it to the ones that may inspire the most conversation.

There are actually a handfull of pre-biblical stories that claim that God isn't the one in charge.

One of them being that God Himself was born from the Mother Goddess. But that He proclaimed Himself as the one true God and disregarded the Mother who created Him.

Another story is that Eve is actually the creator of the Heavens and Earth and that she's acompanied by the snake wich she has choosen as her partner.

 

[sms_117b]

Well fantastic then! The thing is, stuff like this is immaterial, theres no point in pondering questions with no answers. We won't find all this out until we die. And by that time it'll be too late, we're better off spending time doing more important and gratuitous things with our lives, such as you spending with your girl or something. I think you'll find you'll benefit greatly from that then this.

Hmmm, you raise a good point, but philosophy is, simply put, debating questions with no answers, part of my University course (which is science based) comes with questions that have no right answer. Questions like these make you think in a different way, so later when posed with another question one could intemperate that in a different way.

As for the misses, I've practically been quarantined for the next few days, and previous few months, we do see each other but not often because I'm frequently ill, it's not the best scenario, but, she's very clingy and sappy.

There are actually a handfull of pre-biblical stories that claim that God isn't the one in charge.

One of them being that God Himself was born from the Mother Goddess. But that He proclaimed Himself as the one true God and disregarded the Mother who created Him.

Another story is that Eve is actually the creator of the Heavens and Earth and that she's acompanied by the snake wich she has choosen as her partner.

I've not read that, very interesting.

 

[The_ModeRazor]

Well, my theory is that God is evil, weak, not real, or a neutral mindless force simply keeping existance..existing. So the God is Satan thing could work, or rather, Christianity if any right, is polytheistic and both 'God' and Satan are its deities of equal power. Ofcourse, this still means God is not ALL powerful.

So Christians are basically Zoroastrians.
AHRIMAAAAAN!!!

 

[Signa]

I've actually considered something similar. As religion depicts God, he is supposed to be all-loving 'n' stuff. However, the Bible shows otherwise, as does the religious fanatics that supposedly should be closest to God. If everything religion teaches us is true, then God is quite a bastard. In fact, it seems like the kind of thing the Devil would do in a battle of Good Vs. Evil, including painting the opposition as a mirror of himself. If that was the case then, the "devil" certainly promotes a lot of things that make people happy while "God" likes to restrict things.

I did hear another interesting take on the Devil. Some one theorized that the Devil is just a metaphysical scapegoat. So when you do something bad, you can just blame it on the devil making you do it. It would make sense then why God hasn't done anything about him after all this time.

I hold a lot of interest in the idea of another realm. If there is a God and angels and ghosts and demons and devils and spirits, souls, and a Heaven and Hell, I'd like to know how it affects physical beings like us. The obvious problem is that every story is infinitely more likely to be explained by something much more realistic than something that no one can physically sense or scientifically prove exists.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Problem is:

If you put the Devil as God, and God as non-existant, then the Devil actually is God.

Which means Hell is here and now (and if this is Hell, he's really lost his touch), but then where do we go when we die? Just reincarnated? That's an awfully messy view of Hell.

Ultimately, it doesn't make any difference to how we see the world. Whether that's scary or not depends on your perspective, but the atheists are going to get their asses kicked even more at Judgement Day.

 

[Inverse Skies]

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I quite like the original concept behind this... it sounds like it would make for an excellent story. Is it your idea originally or have you taken it from somewhere else? Because if you thought this up then I really think you could take this places, imagine the story you could make out of it? I like it!