The devils greatest trick.....

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I see only one solution: To war against God/The Devil!!

 

[sms_117b]

Problem is:

If you put the Devil as God, and God as non-existant, then the Devil actually is God.

Which means Hell is here and now (and if this is Hell, he's really lost his touch), but then where do we go when we die? Just reincarnated? That's an awfully messy view of Hell.

Ultimately, it doesn't make any difference to how we see the world. Whether that's scary or not depends on your perspective, but the atheists are going to get their asses kicked even more at Judgement Day.

This is true, I meant more personality wise, instead of a benevolent creator, we just have a sadistic, intelligent evil bugger creator. It doesn't change my perspective, and I imagine my original post will change no-ones perspective on life, the universe and everything, it's just a thought to ponder over. Which it seems to be. Yay me!

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I quite like the original concept behind this... it sounds like it would make for an excellent story. Is it your idea originally or have you taken it from somewhere else? Because if you thought this up then I really think you could take this places, imagine the story you could make out of it? I like it!

As far as I'm aware it's an original concept, unfortunately I've no grasp of creative writing so there will be no story for you, sorry Although, I quite like it to, alas I already have 3 projects going on top of Uni.

Granted, it is a good debatable subject, however, there are, again, more important things to think about in my honest opinion, like for example, the controversy over today's events, firing rockets into the moon, Gordon Brown creating havoc in parliament, to name a few. However, giving the benefit of the doubt, if we are Satan's play things, we might be able to rest easy in the knowledge that we won't be dieing off soon, Satan needs something to do.

As to the misses, I'm sorry to hear about the current state your in and what effect this has on the relationship, I hope this is remedied soon. and in all honesty, "Clingy and Sappy" girls are in my opinion, one of the best aspects of a woman. It shows a lot of care and love in my eyes.

Haha, good attitude, and more good points raised, but another one from me is, sometimes its good to escape reality and think about random things, keeps you sane and stops you being overwhelmed with the constant barrage of negative news.

As for the misses, she's alright really, I get the feeling that she browses this site, the labradoodle she is (that's for her benefit just in case), she's a gamer and does enjoy ZP so she might, and saying she's clingy and sappy was also for her, haha, I'm so cruel to her.

 

[SomethingUnrelated]

This is pretty hard to believe, and i'm an athiest. The religion is built around the idea of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being (God), and a renegade angel (Lucifer). I don't think Satan actually being God would work.

 

[fletch_talon]

But if he created everything just to laugh at suffering... Why he'd be the greatest troll of all time...
In fact I think this belief may already have its presence in the world. The less savoury members of anonymous, 4chan, and eve here clearly have formed a religion around this potential deity.

 

[Valate_v1legacy]

God? Don't make me quote Riddick now... Because I will. Its too perfect for this time right now.

 

[Sovvolf]

But if he created everything just to laugh at suffering... Why he'd be the greatest troll of all time...
In fact I think this belief may already have its presence in the world. The less savoury members of anonymous, 4chan, and eve here clearly have formed a religion around this potential deity.

Well that's okay then, we just have to do what people do to all trolls... Ignore him and wait for a Moderator to give him a permaban.

 

[Arkhangelsk]

I don't really believe in the Devil. I'm a deist. I do believe that there is some sort of higher power, a guiding force if you may. But the idea of a bearded red man with a pitch fork is just weird. But if the God and the Devil do exist, I think the Devil is actually more good than God. God kills people, has very strict rules, and doesn't seem to have much tolerance for humans. And Lucifer is a fallen angel, who questioned God's regime over Heaven.

 

[sms_117b]

This is pretty hard to believe, and i'm an athiest. The religion is built around the idea of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being (God), and a renegade angel (Lucifer). I don't think Satan actually being God would work.

What you're saying is true, but, what I'm trying to do is make you think what if God had Lucifers personality rather than what everyone considers Gods, all his actions are to his own ends rather than the good of humanity.

But if he created everything just to laugh at suffering... Why he'd be the greatest troll of all time...
In fact I think this belief may already have its presence in the world. The less savoury members of anonymous, 4chan, and eve here clearly have formed a religion around this potential deity.

He would be indeed, and everyone on Earth would be keeping up the flame war on a secondly basis.

But if he created everything just to laugh at suffering... Why he'd be the greatest troll of all time...
In fact I think this belief may already have its presence in the world. The less savoury members of anonymous, 4chan, and eve here clearly have formed a religion around this potential deity.

Well that's okay then, we just have to do what people do to all trolls... Ignore him and wait for a Moderator to give him a permaban.

That was a brilliant response, but, what if he IS the moderator?

 

[Sovvolf]

But if he created everything just to laugh at suffering... Why he'd be the greatest troll of all time...
In fact I think this belief may already have its presence in the world. The less savoury members of anonymous, 4chan, and eve here clearly have formed a religion around this potential deity.

Well that's okay then, we just have to do what people do to all trolls... Ignore him and wait for a Moderator to give him a permaban.

That was a brilliant response, but, what if he IS the moderator?

Then simply move to another forum.

 

[nerdsamwich]

I never liked the god of Abraham. He always seemed too much like my bitter, petulant, alcoholc dad than any sort of supreme being.

There are actually a handfull of pre-biblical stories that claim that God isn't the one in charge.

One of them being that God Himself was born from the Mother Goddess. But that He proclaimed Himself as the one true God and disregarded the Mother who created Him.

Another story is that Eve is actually the creator of the Heavens and Earth and that she's acompanied by the snake wich she has choosen as her partner.

You'll notice that in the book of Exodus, Yahweh never tell Moses that there are no other gods, just that he is to be worshipped above all others.
Which is why I prefer Norse mythology to Hebrew. The Norse gods were just everyday folks who had seen some crazy shit and had some magic at their command. Thor had his enchanted hammer, but he also needed a magic back brace and steel oven mitts to use it. Odin hanged himself to gain knowledge and kept a pair of ravens to tell him the world's secrets. Neither of them ever killed anyone except in a fair fight, as opposed to Yahweh, who never once fought fair since the beginning of time. If you had to choose one as worthy of respect, which would you pick?

 

[fletch_talon]

But if he created everything just to laugh at suffering... Why he'd be the greatest troll of all time...
In fact I think this belief may already have its presence in the world. The less savoury members of anonymous, 4chan, and eve here clearly have formed a religion around this potential deity.

Well that's okay then, we just have to do what people do to all trolls... Ignore him and wait for a Moderator to give him a permaban.

That was a brilliant response, but, what if he IS the moderator?

My thoughts exactly. We're talking about God here, forget the moderators, he's admin.

 

[bigolbear]

ok Ill go with this...

MAYBE. he started good?

every hear the idea 'power corupts' and ultimate power corupts ultimately.

I find it far more likely that the guy in charge is gona be a scum bag. (as earth as it is in heavan)

Of course that would mean that the demons are actualy brave freedom fighters - imprisoned for defending their childeren( humans) and more importantly giving us freewill, education us, taking away our basic inocence of the universe and opening our minds to a larger perspective.

I guess the main reason i never 'bought' mainstream religion was the fact that god is suposed to be this all powerful good guy but when i look around at the world all i see is pain and suffering.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

This is true, I meant more personality wise, instead of a benevolent creator, we just have a sadistic, intelligent evil bugger creator.

So, basically the Old Testament then.

 

[sms_117b]

My thoughts exactly. We're talking about God here, forget the moderators, he's admin.

I trolling Admin? That place would be doomed!

You'll notice that in the book of Exodus, Yahweh never tell Moses that there are no other gods, just that he is to be worshipped above all others.
Which is why I prefer Norse mythology to Hebrew. The Norse gods were just everyday folks who had seen some crazy shit and had some magic at their command. Thor had his enchanted hammer, but he also needed a magic back brace and steel oven mitts to use it. Odin hanged himself to gain knowledge and kept a pair of ravens to tell him the world's secrets. Neither of them ever killed anyone except in a fair fight, as opposed to Yahweh, who never once fought fair since the beginning of time. If you had to choose one as worthy of respect, which would you pick?

I thought it was he is God, take/create no false Idol before him, then I checked, that's a Christianity update, well played, like finding new things out.

ok Ill go with this...

MAYBE. he started good?

every hear the idea 'power corupts' and ultimate power corupts ultimately.

I find it far more likely that the guy in charge is gona be a scum bag. (as earth as it is in heavan)

Of course that would mean that the demons are actualy brave freedom fighters - imprisoned for defending their childeren( humans) and more importantly giving us freewill, education us, taking away our basic inocence of the universe and opening our minds to a larger perspective.

That's a very nice interpretation. On a side note I prefer the saying "Power corrupts, Ultimate Power is a whole lot of fun" haha, too much Overlord 2

 

[kahlzun]

God -is- the universe, if anything at all

 

[the1ultimate]

Gee the devil isn't as evil as he seems if this is all he could- *thinks for a second*
Well it's not the most direct route, but I guess he's doing pretty good with all these politicians and lawyers.

Also, I thought of this:

Spoiler: comic

To the OP: This isn't a revolutionary idea, but it's certainly more original than saying god is dead.

 

[Textbook Bobcat]

I think the biggest thing to bear in mind is that the whole of religion is based on texts. The faith in writing so to speak.

It would be perfectly viable for Satan to indeed have "God" as the face of his desires and true ideals.

It is also perfectly viable that a group invented these religious texts as a means of taxing in the olden days, as people believed being true to "God" would ensure them a place at his side after they enter the void. The Church tells them that one method of being true is to make donations... You can fill in the blanks.

Before I get shouted down; I'll make it clear I'm very much an Agnostic. To me, the most logical religious explanation is Buddhism's, but I still feel it is far away from what is the truth.

After all, why would we know the truth? In work I keep small things from my "inferiors", so why would higher powers, if they indeed exist, share everything they know with mortals?

 

[ace_of_something]

I thought the devil's greatest trick was [a href=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDm_ZHyYTrg] playing a fiddle[/a] made of gold.

 

[Skeleon]

Of course that would mean that the demons are actualy brave freedom fighters - imprisoned for defending their childeren( humans) and more importantly giving us freewill, education us, taking away our basic inocence of the universe and opening our minds to a larger perspective.

Remember Paradise Lost.
Lucifer, the ultimate rebel and tragic hero.

 

[sms_117b]

I think the biggest thing to bear in mind is that the whole of religion is based on texts. The faith in writing so to speak.

It would be perfectly viable for Satan to indeed have "God" as the face of his desires and true ideals.

It is also perfectly viable that a group invented these religious texts as a means of taxing in the olden days, as people believed being true to "God" would ensure them a place at his side after they enter the void. The Church tells them that one method of being true is to make donations... You can fill in the blanks.

Before I get shouted down; I'll make it clear I'm very much an Agnostic. To me, the most logical religious explanation is Buddhism's, but I still feel it is far away from what is the truth.

After all, why would we know the truth? In work I keep small things from my "inferiors", so why would higher powers, if they indeed exist, share everything they know with mortals?

For a religious thread there is a distinct lack of flaming, doing well so far! That is a good point you raise at the end, I know a load of stuff is kept away from me by my superiors, mainly because they know I ask why to practically everything, and the human race being as curious as it is would only be the same.

Remember Paradise Lost.
Lucifer, the ultimate rebel and tragic hero.

Good point, although I've never had the chance to read the whole thing, it's one of the few pieces of literature in my to do list.