The End of Sony?
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Sega (mostly) develops for Sony systems, no?
In other words, they're losing money on the PSN outage, and definitely do not stand to benefit from it. For Sega to get back into the console market, they would need massive profits from Sony. Otherwise there's no way they would have that kind of money. Right now the closest thing to a console they can afford to make is that game that can be installed in a urinal (I am not making that up, unfortunately).
Anyway, this isn't going to bring Sony down either. I'll be surprised if even a hundredth of the consumer base leaves because of it. The PS4 launch will maybe, maybe be postponed, but I doubt there will be any far-reaching consequences. I'm sticking to Sony's products as long as they keep publishing the games I like, and I'll do so with a smile on my face if they stay region-free.
[sub]Also fuck Apple.[/sub]
In other words, they're losing money on the PSN outage, and definitely do not stand to benefit from it. For Sega to get back into the console market, they would need massive profits from Sony. Otherwise there's no way they would have that kind of money. Right now the closest thing to a console they can afford to make is that game that can be installed in a urinal (I am not making that up, unfortunately).
Anyway, this isn't going to bring Sony down either. I'll be surprised if even a hundredth of the consumer base leaves because of it. The PS4 launch will maybe, maybe be postponed, but I doubt there will be any far-reaching consequences. I'm sticking to Sony's products as long as they keep publishing the games I like, and I'll do so with a smile on my face if they stay region-free.
[sub]Also fuck Apple.[/sub]
They just need to pull off something big like a complete re-imagining of the PSN. Who knows. I wish them luck.
There's no law specifically saying I can't kill stupid people either. But.. it's beside the point - you're required to do such and such to prevent fraud, along with reporting details if it happens. And Sony has been less than forthcoming with the information, and apparently kept banks and so on out of the loop just as much as the rest of us.Abandon4093 said:
Why is that? Then they even go out and ask customers specifically to pay attention to their bank-statements? What sort of backalley outfit do they run? Are they even based in a nation where businesses are not run by the mafia?
It's ridiculous - and what happens? "Leave Sony allloooooonneeee!!! *WWWAAAAAHHHAHA*". Seriously..
Exaggeration much? Sure this will cause them to have a big break down in sales and PR but they will come back from this eventually and rebuild as any smart business will do.
Right now there are other console manufacturers so I doubt even the collapse of Sony would have much of an impact on the genre. No differant than say the SEGA or Nintendo systems having gone from juggernauts to fading into obscurity. The only thing that is going to change the way gaming works is the progression of technology.ThongBonerstorm said:
A lot of people also don't seem to realize that gaming is actually a pretty small part of Sony's portfolio, they are primarily an electronics manufaturer. The bread and butter of Sony is in things like their TVs and appliances. They also have their fingers in everything from movies to music, to mechanical hardware and heavy machinery, to apparently military manufacturing and robotics. Sony is one of the major inspirations for those "evil Japanacorps" from fiction, especially the ones that were big back inte 1980s, very few people know how big Sony actually is, or all of what they own and where since it's a huge mazelike entity.
Consider that despite the success of the PS-2 one of the big reasons why The PS-3 got off to such a rocky launch was simply because Sony's attention was focused on winning the next-gen video format wars. While powerful their resources are not limitless and they were up against other mega-corperations backing alternative formats like HDDVD. You'll notice that one of the things they did was cut back the PS-3 production so they could use the lasers to make dedicated Blu-Ray players as that was a bigger deal to them than the gaming industry. Of course I think the shortages were exagerrated beyond reality, with the low number of units out there being used to try and generate hype for the product.
A 24 billion dollar hit is a lot of money, but I think Sony can take that easily. Also despite a lack of consumer confidence when it comes to video game consoles, I don't think it's going to influance things like their TVs, movie and music production, and similar things.
While Sony could cut it's losses and get out of video gaming, I don't see that happening though. If anything I'd think that this might cause them to try and rush out another console to try and recoup the losses through an initial sale period (and truthfully I've never believed they took a loss per unit).
By breaching the Playstation network they interrupted interstate and international trade, which is a federal offense. If they had just got into the network and reported the flaw in the network TO Sony they wouldn't have broken any laws, technically. Unfortunately they fucked with the flow of money and the government doesn't like that.
Enjoy the Big Pokey hacker kids.
Enjoy the Big Pokey hacker kids.
I ain't saying it's right. But you're saying a security breach don't mean nothing, and I'm saying it does. Now look, I've given a million companies a million credit card purchases, and they all meant something. We act like they don't, but they do, and that's what's so fucking cool about them. There's a trust thing going on where you don't talk about it, but you know it, they know it, fucking hackers knew it, and Sony should have fucking better known better. I mean, that's our private information, man. We can't be expected to have a sense of humor about that shit. You know what I'm saying?
It is highly unlikely that Sony will waddle away out of the console market due to this, though they probably have sustained a lot of damage.
But I'll bite into your hypothetical anyway. If Sony were to go under, either specifically the gaming division or the entire company (I'll go with the former), then it would have drastic consequences for the gaming industry, not to mention a blow to the economy as well.
If Sony Computer Entertainment (the gaming division) were to go down, thousands, and I mean thousands would lose their jobs. Engineers, coders, PR, QA, marketing, executives, all that good stuff, would be thrown out of the streets without a job. I don't care if you think each of these people are nothing but the bottom scum in the work barrel, thousands would be out of a job, and that's only if SCE goes down not Sony in it's entirety.
Not only that, but dozens of studios would be left without a publisher. Say goodbye to Team ICO, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, a big branch of Insomniac (they went 3rd party), thatgamecompany, all the little indie studios relying on PSN. Good bye SOE, Sony Santa Monica, Capybara Games, what have you. I don't care if you think each of these companies put out shit on a regular basis, losing these companies, and subsequently jobs in those companies as they would need to cut costs to accommodate for a lack of a publisher, would supremely suck at the minimum. Depending on their contracts, it would even be hell just to switch to EA or Microsoft or whatever with publishing rights and copyright whateverhtefuck lawyers want to use to gain a few extra bucks.
If this were to happen I wouldn't know how quickly the industry would be able to adjust, but I'd imagine that it would take a long time.
I don't care what side of the "console wars" you're on. I don't care if you absolutely despise Sony, or any electronic manufacturer in existence, or if you rally on under the Xbox/Wii/PC flag, whatever. You cannot possibly deny the impact it would have if Sony had to back out on this.
Obviously, this is all drastic speculation, but Sony is going to be hurt by all of this. I highly doubt that Sony will have to back out of the gaming industry because of this, but it certainly has caused a pretty big dent in their wallets, resources, reputation, and consumers.
But I'll bite into your hypothetical anyway. If Sony were to go under, either specifically the gaming division or the entire company (I'll go with the former), then it would have drastic consequences for the gaming industry, not to mention a blow to the economy as well.
If Sony Computer Entertainment (the gaming division) were to go down, thousands, and I mean thousands would lose their jobs. Engineers, coders, PR, QA, marketing, executives, all that good stuff, would be thrown out of the streets without a job. I don't care if you think each of these people are nothing but the bottom scum in the work barrel, thousands would be out of a job, and that's only if SCE goes down not Sony in it's entirety.
Not only that, but dozens of studios would be left without a publisher. Say goodbye to Team ICO, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, a big branch of Insomniac (they went 3rd party), thatgamecompany, all the little indie studios relying on PSN. Good bye SOE, Sony Santa Monica, Capybara Games, what have you. I don't care if you think each of these companies put out shit on a regular basis, losing these companies, and subsequently jobs in those companies as they would need to cut costs to accommodate for a lack of a publisher, would supremely suck at the minimum. Depending on their contracts, it would even be hell just to switch to EA or Microsoft or whatever with publishing rights and copyright whateverhtefuck lawyers want to use to gain a few extra bucks.
If this were to happen I wouldn't know how quickly the industry would be able to adjust, but I'd imagine that it would take a long time.
I don't care what side of the "console wars" you're on. I don't care if you absolutely despise Sony, or any electronic manufacturer in existence, or if you rally on under the Xbox/Wii/PC flag, whatever. You cannot possibly deny the impact it would have if Sony had to back out on this.
Obviously, this is all drastic speculation, but Sony is going to be hurt by all of this. I highly doubt that Sony will have to back out of the gaming industry because of this, but it certainly has caused a pretty big dent in their wallets, resources, reputation, and consumers.
Being a microsoft fanboy, i can only hope they dont. Atleast this puts the xbox 360 ahead of the competition
You offend me, sir! The contracts my firm provides clearly state we are dealing with "pest control". And I swear we're trying to make the world a better place for everyone. And I swear my intentions are good. Surely this means I'm not breaking any laws?Abandon4093 said:
True. The point is that what they're required to do is specific, and gives us a guarantee that losing the info isn't necessarily a huge problem. Or at least possible to control afterwards.
Sony has been unable to actually find out after nearly two weeks what the extent of the problem is.. I'm not usually extremely positive, I'll admit that. But this is not a good sign. Anyone, even the smallest online store would have been able to figure out what they had lost, and what cards and info would be affected just about right away - why doesn't Sony even know? "Potentially lost everything" isn't ..helpful, to put it like that.
This will put a big dent in Sony Playstation operations but no, it is not the end of Sony as a company or their game dev branch. It's one of the biggest international companies in the world; a company like that does not simply disappear over night. Also, Wal-Mart gets class action lawsuits on regular basis every year and you don't see them going belly up anytime soon.
Y'know, if this had happenned to Microsoft or Apple, people wouldn't have conversations or even thoughts like this. They would either just grumble amongst themselves while they wait for something new to buy from said companies or they'd be sending get well cards and flowers in droves.
The recent situation with Sony is a big deal but honestly I think its being hyped up because of all the attention the industry has been getting over the past year. Examples: Supreme Court case, the axed Battle of Fallujah game, Fox News talking about games too much, EA being, well...EA; and idiotic statements/sissy arguments from game company representatives(those guys are starting to sound as bad as politicians).
Y'know, if this had happenned to Microsoft or Apple, people wouldn't have conversations or even thoughts like this. They would either just grumble amongst themselves while they wait for something new to buy from said companies or they'd be sending get well cards and flowers in droves.
The recent situation with Sony is a big deal but honestly I think its being hyped up because of all the attention the industry has been getting over the past year. Examples: Supreme Court case, the axed Battle of Fallujah game, Fox News talking about games too much, EA being, well...EA; and idiotic statements/sissy arguments from game company representatives(those guys are starting to sound as bad as politicians).
