The Escapist's General Manager and Adam Baldwin support GG, attack the entire political left

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KokujinTensai

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Jonathan Hornsby said:
Zontar said:
Now this shows you know nothing of the movement. Unlike the Anti-GamerGate movement (which is dominated and almost exclusively radical left), GamerGate is supported by a health level of those both left, right and centre.
So was W. Bush; and he was still based fundamentally on a far right belief system. Was that not clear? Sorry, let me clarify. You can be manipulated by a right-leaning lunatic without yourself being right-leaning. Just shows he's a talented lunatic.
Honestly at this point I'd much rather align myself with the "Crazy Right wing lunatics" than whatever perverted political philosophy the "Anti-GG's" believe in.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
 

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That said, I also have serious issues with the way people are worked out about "social justice", because these people usually are so focused on this side-issue they stop caring about what really matters. They just don't give a shit about economic justice and about fixing or changing the current economic system. When this is, by far, the biggest issue of all, and the one that could sink any progress you might gain in any other field, if it isn't addressed.
In fact, I actually have serious trouble considering "social justice advocates" as "Left", since I definitely don't see them spending any time fighting economic liberalism - as if ignoring it and opting for the status quo could ensure any lasting progress on any other field. So, for all I know, they're objective allies of capitalism.
So, well, right-wing people attacking what they call "SJW" doesn't even look like an attack on the real Left, most of the time; just infighting between groups that aren't on my side.
I tend to agree. However, I would argue that the Johhny come lately crowd on both sides of the debate seem to be trying to redefine concepts such as social justice and feminism. Many don't bother to look up what these terms have meant historically. Social Justice is either essentially a means to control individuals or it is to give the LGBT population equal rights. I'm simplifying but I'm sure you understand my point - the former being a vocal section of GG and the latter being a vocal section of anti GG.
As you rightly point out the main point being missed is that neo liberal economics has crept in through the back door and is accepted by a large proportion of Americans, many of whom I doubt have anything more than a rudimentary knowledge of economics.
Social Justice for me is incompatible in a society where there is a huge and growing gap between rich and poor.
In my opinion we need to claim the term Social Justice back. I am a Social Justice Warrior!
 

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KokujinTensai said:
Jonathan Hornsby said:
Zontar said:
Now this shows you know nothing of the movement. Unlike the Anti-GamerGate movement (which is dominated and almost exclusively radical left), GamerGate is supported by a health level of those both left, right and centre.
So was W. Bush; and he was still based fundamentally on a far right belief system. Was that not clear? Sorry, let me clarify. You can be manipulated by a right-leaning lunatic without yourself being right-leaning. Just shows he's a talented lunatic.
Honestly at this point I'd much rather align myself with the "Crazy Right wing lunatics" than whatever perverted political philosophy the "Anti-GG's" believe in.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
So, you're going to align yourself with racists, bigots, and Birthers against those who want equality?

Bless your heart.
 

KokujinTensai

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AkaDad said:
KokujinTensai said:
Jonathan Hornsby said:
Zontar said:
Now this shows you know nothing of the movement. Unlike the Anti-GamerGate movement (which is dominated and almost exclusively radical left), GamerGate is supported by a health level of those both left, right and centre.
So was W. Bush; and he was still based fundamentally on a far right belief system. Was that not clear? Sorry, let me clarify. You can be manipulated by a right-leaning lunatic without yourself being right-leaning. Just shows he's a talented lunatic.
Honestly at this point I'd much rather align myself with the "Crazy Right wing lunatics" than whatever perverted political philosophy the "Anti-GG's" believe in.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
So, you're going to align yourself with racists, bigots, and Birthers against those who want equality?

Bless your heart.
Since we're playing the extreme game then yes I would prefer to align myself with "Racists, bigots, and Birthers" than "Racists, bigots, and those claiming to fight for inequality" As I black male I'm #notyourshield
 

AkaDad

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KokujinTensai said:
AkaDad said:
KokujinTensai said:
Jonathan Hornsby said:
Zontar said:
Now this shows you know nothing of the movement. Unlike the Anti-GamerGate movement (which is dominated and almost exclusively radical left), GamerGate is supported by a health level of those both left, right and centre.
So was W. Bush; and he was still based fundamentally on a far right belief system. Was that not clear? Sorry, let me clarify. You can be manipulated by a right-leaning lunatic without yourself being right-leaning. Just shows he's a talented lunatic.
Honestly at this point I'd much rather align myself with the "Crazy Right wing lunatics" than whatever perverted political philosophy the "Anti-GG's" believe in.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
So, you're going to align yourself with racists, bigots, and Birthers against those who want equality?

Bless your heart.
Since we're playing the extreme game then yes I would prefer to align myself with "Racists, bigots, and Birthers" than "Racists, bigots, and those claiming to fight for inequality" As I black male I'm #notyourshield
You think anti-gamergate people are racists and bigots and are fighting for inequality? You're adorable.

Btw, how much corruption in game journalism have you rooted out? Not much, huh? Good luck with that.
 

KokujinTensai

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AkaDad said:
KokujinTensai said:
AkaDad said:
KokujinTensai said:
Jonathan Hornsby said:
Zontar said:
Now this shows you know nothing of the movement. Unlike the Anti-GamerGate movement (which is dominated and almost exclusively radical left), GamerGate is supported by a health level of those both left, right and centre.
So was W. Bush; and he was still based fundamentally on a far right belief system. Was that not clear? Sorry, let me clarify. You can be manipulated by a right-leaning lunatic without yourself being right-leaning. Just shows he's a talented lunatic.
Honestly at this point I'd much rather align myself with the "Crazy Right wing lunatics" than whatever perverted political philosophy the "Anti-GG's" believe in.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
So, you're going to align yourself with racists, bigots, and Birthers against those who want equality?

Bless your heart.
Since we're playing the extreme game then yes I would prefer to align myself with "Racists, bigots, and Birthers" than "Racists, bigots, and those claiming to fight for inequality" As I black male I'm #notyourshield
You think anti-gamergate people are racists and bigots and are fighting for inequality? You're adorable.

Btw, how much corruption in game journalism have you rooted out? Not much, huh? Good luck with that.
I believe "they" believe they are, but actually fighting for "social justice" and tweeting about it are two different things.

Malala Yousafzi fights for equality. The Tumblrists simply type up pages of emotion and hit send. Look I'm sure you believe in social justice and probably take action for it, but there are those who don't just as there are those in gamergate who bash feminists and send death threats.
And I'm not naive to think I'll ever personally root out corruption. The most I can do is avoid certain sites, which I have done so.
 

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AkaDad said:
So, you're going to align yourself with racists, bigots, and Birthers against those who want equality?

Bless your heart.
When in the Shivering Isles AkaDad, the Madman is god. :)
 

KokujinTensai

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Jonathan Hornsby said:
KokujinTensai said:
As I black male I'm #notyourshield
No, but clearly you are someone's pawn.
Because I disagree with you? I don't care about "The Right" or "The Left". I don't care about Breibart at all. I don't care about politics honestly. I do like Milo as he is someone who has overcome their prejudice and immersed himself in a culture he used to despise. He also has glorious hair.

I always considered myself more of a Bishop btw.
 

AkaDad

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DC_78 said:
AkaDad said:
So, you're going to align yourself with racists, bigots, and Birthers against those who want equality?

Bless your heart.
When in the Shivering Isles AkaDad, the Madman is god. :)
I haven't played that DLC, so I'm totally ignorant about that reference.
 

Happiness Assassin

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Jonathan Hornsby said:
Here is a fine example of that moral event horizon crossing I was talking about. This is why your movement can't be redeemed, and why being associated with it is only hurting your cause. You can say this is just one lunatic if you want to, but he's a lunatic born of your ideals, and your camp is harboring him.

https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/520739878993420290/photo/1
About that...

https://twitter.com/GGfeminist/status/520754494313754624

There are assholes on both sides make no mistake. But at least we (as in gamergate) are honest about that. To suggest the Anti side doesn't engage in the same kind of tactics you condemn is intellectually dishonest.

[a href="http://gamergateharassment.tumblr.com/"]And there are plenty more examples of this.[/a]