- Apr 1, 2012
I don't. So what? Are we going to sit here and argue about whose anecdotal evidence is more valid?Alek_the_Great said:I know people who have no friends.
So why is that change not actually a change, but Johnny Storm being black is? If he's still a hotheaded, smug little douche, then why is the superficial change of his skin color not okay to change, though the superficial change of radiation versus genetic manipulation in a spider is?Alek_the_Great said:They don't really "change" the origin, they just add some more techno babble to make it more believable.
"Just" because real black people are suffering in the real world, I am okay with turning an imaginary white person black. Yes. Until you can demonstrate that the harm being done is greater than that of actors who are out of work and viewers who don't see themselves represented among the ranks of the heroic, I am fine with the horrible, horrible crime of changing his fucking skin tone being perpetuated against imaginary people like Johnny Storm.Alek_the_Great said:So again, just because black people aren't as represented as white people, it makes it totally okay to make traditionally white characters black, but not vice versa?
You behave as if you have some kind of insider information into the production of this movie.Alek_the_Great said:In this context, I don't see how the movies would need Johnny Storm to be black, when there's no differences between the mediums to require such a change.
It's when you start making statements about what a good adaptation is required to be, as if your opinion is somehow objectively correct, without making any effort to own your statements as personal taste, that I get annoyed at your tone.Alek_the_Great said:I expect an adaption to be both true and recognizable to the source material. I don't see how that's so hard to understand.
Oh, so the similarities exist, but don't count as similarities because they aren't similar enough. Whatever.Alek_the_Great said:Like I said, the similarities are pretty much superficial and used in a completely separate context from the original.
You call it faithful; I call it shortsighted and condescending. Making every single detail exactly like a movie not only limits the audience who will appreciate the movie to existing comic fans, thereby acting to exclude non-comic fans, it also assumes we're so coddled and terrified of change that we can't handle tiny alterations to stuff and just want to be told the same stories over and over again.Alek_the_Great said:I'm just saying that if they want to be faithful to the fans they should be faithful to the source material.
No, you just have to prove that him being black won't work.Alek_the_Great said:So what, I have to prove that Johnny Storm being white won't work in a movie?
I assume this statement is based on your history of work and study in the field of filmmaking.Alek_the_Great said:The only problems a director comes across when adapting something that's written are pacing and the translating the format of the scenes.
That is completely insupportable crap. It's only possible to be a fan of something that can be translated to a movie?Alek_the_Great said:If the source material itself wouldn't work in movie form, then there wouldn't be fans of it in the first place.
No one has argued that it isn't.Alek_the_Great said:The main incarnation is still white.
Was. It was the default. It is provably not the default any longer.Alek_the_Great said:The vast majority of the alternate versions are still white. White is still the default for the character.