You can abuse any fallacy you'd like at any time you'd like, but it won't reflect well on you. It would be one thing if you weren't seriously engaging in the argument, and were just making jokes, but nothing you've said has been particularly funny or incisive. Someone hates Felicia Day, so she must have turned him down for a date? Doesn't work as humor, since it's an easy, cliched place to go; and doesn't make sense, unless we assume all of Day's detractors are spurned lovers. So you're either making jokes no one's laughing at, arguing badly, or just breaking the forum's rules by trolling. No matter what, you don't look very good at the moment.everythingbeeps said:
The Felicia Day/Destructoid situation
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I can't agree with you that it's a double standard in this case. Perez' question carries undercurrents of sexism because it implies that he thinks any woman who works on the public/promotional side of the games industry is nothing more than a pretty face and an empty smile handing out cheap swag to drooling men and boys. It doesn't question the quality of any specific part of Day's work in the manner of a professional critic. Instead, it completely discounts Day as a professional actor and writer because she is a woman whose work promotes games.SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
It was clumsy and ill-advised, but instead of trying to save the situation with a mild apology and a more pertinent question, Perez made it worse with a string of public insults directed at anyone who criticized his remarks. That's thoroughly unprofessional, and that's where the problem for Destructoid ultimately lies.
"Psh! Felicia Day doesn't mean anything to video games!"
*posted in 14-page thread in a video game forum*
*posted in 14-page thread in a video game forum*
She's an actress and a game enthusiast. What did he expect her to contribute to the medium besides either her voice or her affection for the medium?
Personal opinions aside, let me own him with logic;
If she brings nothing to gaming, why are you wasting your time questioning her?
Felicia day is an actress and has acted in Internet serials, the majority being of Video Game topic.
Despite this, I don't consider her connected to video games. In fact I consider no-one to be. They're people. They do what ever they want. In this case this dude I never have heardof decides to voice an unprovoked vocal attack on someone. He's done what he wants and now suffers the wrath of being rude.
If she brings nothing to gaming, why are you wasting your time questioning her?
Felicia day is an actress and has acted in Internet serials, the majority being of Video Game topic.
Despite this, I don't consider her connected to video games. In fact I consider no-one to be. They're people. They do what ever they want. In this case this dude I never have heardof decides to voice an unprovoked vocal attack on someone. He's done what he wants and now suffers the wrath of being rude.
You know people, its this simple:
A lynch mob is still a lynch mob even if said mob is made up of angels (and this mob certainly wasn't).
The White Knighting/harassment that went on is fucking despicable. Yes, Perez is an idiot. I think he's learned his lesson though.
Also, insulting someone of the opposite gender is sexist now? Wow.
A lynch mob is still a lynch mob even if said mob is made up of angels (and this mob certainly wasn't).
The White Knighting/harassment that went on is fucking despicable. Yes, Perez is an idiot. I think he's learned his lesson though.
Also, insulting someone of the opposite gender is sexist now? Wow.
And what is this thing you're doing? What critical function of debate are you serving? You say nobody's laughing, but you know what else nobody is doing? Bitching about me not following proper debate etiquette. No, that's just you.Heliote said:
Nobody asks a question like that expecting an answer. It's rhetorical, a concept you don't seem to understand. The only reason he posted that was to either piss of Felicia Day or to rile up fanboys. He did both, but he also pissed off a lot more people than just fanboys.Nomanslander said:
Some of the white-knighting has gotten out of hand, but the guy deserves to be fired if he can't understand the consequences of his actions and/or do a little freaking research.
If you're going to insult someone publicly on the internet, you're going to have to face the consequences regardless of the politics/pseudo-politics.
It's like if you pretty much on the street and shout at a woman "What do you bring to society you slag!". You're going to anger a lot of people. And if your boss watches you do that, they aren't going to be impressed.
I'm sick of people claiming that the internet =/= real life. The difference is the majority are anonymous. But there are figures who are not anonymous, the people involved.
It's like if you pretty much on the street and shout at a woman "What do you bring to society you slag!". You're going to anger a lot of people. And if your boss watches you do that, they aren't going to be impressed.
I'm sick of people claiming that the internet =/= real life. The difference is the majority are anonymous. But there are figures who are not anonymous, the people involved.
Here's what Felicia Day has added to the creative aspect of gaming: She's a talented voice actress who works primarily in a medium that, a few short years ago, had some of the worst voice acting imaginable. She's also a very good writer (The Guild speaks for that), and she is known for being a gamer and taking the medium seriously. She has also (through The Guild) sung a few game-themed songs (Now I'm the One That's Cool, Game On, etc.).
Whether or not you like her acting or any of her work is besides the point: anecdotal evidence is not sufficient when you all you are asking is what she PRODUCES. She produces quite a lot, and most if not all of it is creatively focused.
As for the sexism aspect...yes, it is sexist. No, he is not overtly insulting ALL WOMENS ERRYWUR (which seems to be some peoples criterion for 'sexist'), but there is more than one way to be sexist. Gendered insults, even if only directed at a single individual, are still sexist. Calling an actress and games-spokesperson a 'booth-babe' (who exist only for sex appeal and marketing) is very much a gendered insult --Wil Wheaton exists in a very similar capacity to Felicia in the gaming world, but I really doubt anyone would accuse him of only existing for sex appeal.
Whether or not you like her acting or any of her work is besides the point: anecdotal evidence is not sufficient when you all you are asking is what she PRODUCES. She produces quite a lot, and most if not all of it is creatively focused.
As for the sexism aspect...yes, it is sexist. No, he is not overtly insulting ALL WOMENS ERRYWUR (which seems to be some peoples criterion for 'sexist'), but there is more than one way to be sexist. Gendered insults, even if only directed at a single individual, are still sexist. Calling an actress and games-spokesperson a 'booth-babe' (who exist only for sex appeal and marketing) is very much a gendered insult --Wil Wheaton exists in a very similar capacity to Felicia in the gaming world, but I really doubt anyone would accuse him of only existing for sex appeal.
To me, it appears the situation turned sexist when he decided to compare her to a "glorified booth babe".. Had he stopped before before that line, he would have just had a bad foot in the mount taste for the week and mostly nothing else worse for wear.
But by crossing that line, he turned a generally harmless rant into the shit storm we have now.
But by crossing that line, he turned a generally harmless rant into the shit storm we have now.
Why exactly is she obligated to contribute to the video game industry? Sure, she bases a large part of her success on nerd appeal, but I've never thought of her as a "contributor" to videogaming. I watch her web show on Youtube and it's only occasionally video game related, but it's still entertaining.
If she's doing her own thing, but people ask her to show up on occasion to public events like E3 or whatever, I really don't see the problem.
(also, she's a decent voice actor for games, so there's something I guess)
If she's doing her own thing, but people ask her to show up on occasion to public events like E3 or whatever, I really don't see the problem.
(also, she's a decent voice actor for games, so there's something I guess)
