The future of major third party Switch games will be mid-budget

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As you know, this generation is winding down in the spotlight, come next year, the 9th gen systems will make their debut. Sony's already blown the lid on specs for PS5, and everything they've listed sounds very impressive for next gen, and we're still waiting to see what Microsoft plans on doing with Scarlett. One common fear is that because next gen systems will be arriving, that means that the Switch will somehow suffer a mass exodus of third party support. Now it'll be a generation and a half behind the two main consoles, so it's most likely to receive even less AAA support than it was getting before, if it even gets any of those games at all. Now, that's most likely going to be true, the Switch is a tablet at the end of the day, and mobile technology still has limits as to what can realistically run on it. So no, Switch won't be the place to play the latest Call of Duty or Assassin's Creed titles with high end visuals.

But, I don't think that's bad. More specifically, I don't think not having the power for next-gen AAA games is really going to hurt the Switch that much for major publishers, because there is a market, for which games can be developed on a smaller, medium sized budget for all available consoles, and that's honestly, what I think the Switch's future will be in terms of major support, outside remasters and ports. We already started seeing seeds of this last year. Switch got games from Valkyria Chronicles 4, to Mega Man 11, to Starlink: Battle for Atlas same day as the other versions. Along with exclusives like Octopath Traveler, and even late ports like Crash and DBFZ. All of them did as well as, if not better than their PS4 and Xbox One counterparts, and they're games that are generally easier to downscale to Switch vs. the more AAA ones. This year, we have more games like Samurai Showdown, Crash Team Racing, Dauntless, Ninjala, Daemon X Machina, Oniaki, Ninja Box, Gods and Monsters, I'd even argue Mortal Kombat 11 to an extent that fill a niche between AAA and indie and as tired as the statement has become, are perfect for Switch.

That's where I think the future of the Switch will be for Major third parties. Sony and Microsoft have the AAA space locked down, but Capcom, Ubisoft, and the like can still make less demanding games that can run everywhere, and its more viable than its ever been. Game engines and graphical fidelity has progressed so much to the point where you can make a decent looking and solid game with about 30-40 people, run it on low end hardware, and still have it do pretty well. And with AAA games going to need even more resources and development time next gen now that 4k will be standard, the need to do less demanding projects will be greater. That, on top of remasters, Nintendo's own games, and the mountains of indies, the Switch should have more than enough support even going into next gen. And they wouldn't even need a "Pro" revision to do it, though it would certainly help.
 

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3rd Party games haven't mattered on a Nintendo console since what? N64?

Nintendo doesn't need 3rd Party support, and I wish people would stop thinking otherwise.

(They do need to not fuck up Pok?mon though as bad as they are headed for, now THAT might actually lead to some damage for them)
 

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Saelune said:
3rd Party games haven't mattered on a Nintendo console since what? N64?

Nintendo doesn't need 3rd Party support, and I wish people would stop thinking otherwise.

(They do need to not fuck up Pok?mon though as bad as they are headed for, now THAT might actually lead to some damage for them)
Third party support matters a lot. Nintendo puts out a lot of games, but there's only so much one company can release each year though. Thus, you need other publishers to come in and provide software when don't have a big title to release. Third party support is still very important, even for Nintendo systems. What some gamers don't get however, is that third party support can come in a variety of flavors. Be it ports, remasters, indie games, and AA titles. In that sense, the Switch doesn't need most of the more demanding AAA stuff, especially since it already nails everything else in this category. There just needs to be enough good stuff released each month.
 

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Saelune said:
3rd Party games haven't mattered on a Nintendo console since what? N64?

Nintendo doesn't need 3rd Party support, and I wish people would stop thinking otherwise.

(They do need to not fuck up Pok?mon though as bad as they are headed for, now THAT might actually lead to some damage for them)
Third party support matters a lot. Nintendo puts out a lot of games, but there's only so much one company can release each year though. Thus, you need other publishers to come in and provide software when don't have a big title to release. Third party support is still very important, even for Nintendo systems. What some gamers don't get however, is that third party support can come in a variety of flavors. Be it ports, remasters, indie games, and AA titles. In that sense, the Switch doesn't need most of the more demanding AAA stuff, especially since it already nails everything else in this category. There just needs to be enough good stuff released each month.
Except they can and they do. That 'one company' is a big one. The only real third party support they ever get is the other console's hand-me-downs. Smash Bros, Pok?mon, Animal Crossing, Zelda, Mario, these are the things that matter for Nintendo, and Switch got those.
 
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Sounds good. I'd like to see more from the place between AAA and Indie.
Saelune said:
Nintendo doesn't need 3rd Party support, and I wish people would stop thinking otherwise.
Yet Switch's third party library is one of the reasons this is the first major Nintendo console in... decades, i'd consider buying, and i doubt i'm alone in that thinking.
 

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Saelune said:
3rd Party games haven't mattered on a Nintendo console since what? N64?

Nintendo doesn't need 3rd Party support, and I wish people would stop thinking otherwise.

(They do need to not fuck up Pok?mon though as bad as they are headed for, now THAT might actually lead to some damage for them)
I think, if anything, third parties are now in a serious dilemma. They have done this "brute force, more power, shinier graphics!" dance for the past decade and they're looking to do the same with the next generation. However, now they're met by a question they had to face before: a Nintendo product is now the hot toy again, so can they afford to ignore it?

Short answer: Fuck. No. Ignoring it at this point is stupid regardless if you're AAA or whatever. The audience just keeps growing and said also makes it clear that they don't give two flying fucks about tech porn. To ignore the Switch at this point is dumb. What more companies should do is either A) start making games more accessible for the Switch and thus broadening the overall gaming audience (and this is what they SHOULD have been doing a long time ago) or B) start making more dedicated Switch games. To do neither is asinine. So if anything this is more on third parties than Nintendo
 

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Aiddon said:
What more companies should do is either A) start making games more accessible for the Switch and thus broadening the overall gaming audience (and this is what they SHOULD have been doing a long time ago) or B) start making more dedicated Switch games. To do neither is asinine. So if anything this is more on third parties than Nintendo
Not to mention, AAA games are already expensive and time consuming to make now, and it'll get even worse next gen, so the need for less demanding games that can run on lower end hardware in addition to the main AAA projects is more important than ever. If publishers realize this, then the Switch and its users will end up profiting greatly.
 

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The Switch has games, so no one could make that joke when 2018 came on to the scene. The Switch is getting more than XONE ever could. Third party games that interest me anyway.
 

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MrCalavera said:
Sounds good. I'd like to see more from the place between AAA and Indie.
Saelune said:
Nintendo doesn't need 3rd Party support, and I wish people would stop thinking otherwise.
Yet Switch's third party library is one of the reasons this is the first major Nintendo console in... decades, i'd consider buying, and i doubt i'm alone in that thinking.
Doesn't mean its worth Nintendo's time. I mean, Nintendo could do lots of things that would appeal to people they normally don't appeal to, doesn't mean they will want to or that it would be worth the effort.
 

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Saelune said:
3rd Party games haven't mattered on a Nintendo console since what? N64?

Nintendo doesn't need 3rd Party support, and I wish people would stop thinking otherwise.
I'd like to introduce you to the Wii U
 

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MrCalavera said:
Saelune said:
Nintendo doesn't need 3rd Party support, and I wish people would stop thinking otherwise.
Yet Switch's third party library is one of the reasons this is the first major Nintendo console in... decades, i'd consider buying, and i doubt i'm alone in that thinking.
You're not. I initially bought a Switch for Mario Odyssey, but with that game being thoroughly disappointing I was seriously bummed out buying an entire system for it. Two years later though it's pretty much my indie machine and I love it. The only Nintendo games I have for the system are Breath of the Wild and Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze (both of which I actually own for the Wii-U), the rest is 3rd party indie games and ports.
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Doesn't mean its worth Nintendo's time. I mean, Nintendo could do lots of things that would appeal to people they normally don't appeal to, doesn't mean they will want to or that it would be worth the effort.
So wait, having a wider variety of games on your system is not worth the effort now? When did that upside down logic come into effect?
 

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If AND ONLY IF, third party A and AA don't come out at a AAA price point, then i"ll buy them.

Octopath traveler is a glorified Indie game, i'm not paying 60$ for that.

Make a AA game, price it at 40$,then you'll have my attention, not before. p
 

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Elvis Starburst said:
Saelune said:
3rd Party games haven't mattered on a Nintendo console since what? N64?

Nintendo doesn't need 3rd Party support, and I wish people would stop thinking otherwise.
I'd like to introduce you to the Wii U
Gonna need some examples.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
MrCalavera said:
Saelune said:
Nintendo doesn't need 3rd Party support, and I wish people would stop thinking otherwise.
Yet Switch's third party library is one of the reasons this is the first major Nintendo console in... decades, i'd consider buying, and i doubt i'm alone in that thinking.
You're not. I initially bought a Switch for Mario Odyssey, but with that game being thoroughly disappointing I was seriously bummed out buying an entire system for it. Two years later though it's pretty much my indie machine and I love it. The only Nintendo games I have for the system are Breath of the Wild and Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze (both of which I actually own for the Wii-U), the rest is 3rd party indie games and ports.
Saelune said:
Doesn't mean its worth Nintendo's time. I mean, Nintendo could do lots of things that would appeal to people they normally don't appeal to, doesn't mean they will want to or that it would be worth the effort.
So wait, having a wider variety of games on your system is not worth the effort now? When did that upside down logic come into effect?
This is Nintendo. Nintendo is not Microsoft or Sony. Nintendo is a GAME DEVELOPER, and one of the few who has as dominating IPs. Zelda and Pok?mon, other Devs WISH they had even a fraction of their dominance. People need to stop doubting their power.
 

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Saelune said:
This is Nintendo. Nintendo is not Microsoft or Sony. Nintendo is a GAME DEVELOPER, and one of the few who has as dominating IPs. Zelda and Pok?mon, other Devs WISH they had even a fraction of their dominance. People need to stop doubting their power.
Does Nintendo even own Pok?mon? Because judging from the whole Pokemon Go situation, back when it exploded into popularity and Nintendo's stock rose and then fell when investors found out it wasn't actually their property, I don't think it is. Unless something has changed in the meantime.

You haven't actually answered the question other than saying you think Nintendo is the best therefor they don't need it, which obviously not everyone will argee to.

Saying things like 'people need to stop doubting their power'. What does that even mean? That people need to accept that Nintendo is the best? That when Nintendo doesn't succeed (like with the Wii-U and Gamecube) it's not on them, but on the people who "doubted their power"?
 

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Saelune said:
3rd Party games haven't mattered on a Nintendo console since what? N64?

Nintendo doesn't need 3rd Party support, and I wish people would stop thinking otherwise.

(They do need to not fuck up Pok?mon though as bad as they are headed for, now THAT might actually lead to some damage for them)
Still, having more good games to choose from is always a good thing. The Switch is a very convenient console for playing away from the TV, and I'd like to be able to play any good game on it.
 

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Lufia Erim said:
If AND ONLY IF, third party A and AA don't come out at a AAA price point, then i"ll buy them.

Octopath traveler is a glorified Indie game, i'm not paying 60$ for that.

Make a AA game, price it at 40$,then you'll have my attention, not before. p
I don't believe that a game's price should be based on its development budget. Octopath may not be AAA, but it's well worth the $60 for its sheer content and stories.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Saelune said:
This is Nintendo. Nintendo is not Microsoft or Sony. Nintendo is a GAME DEVELOPER, and one of the few who has as dominating IPs. Zelda and Pok?mon, other Devs WISH they had even a fraction of their dominance. People need to stop doubting their power.
Does Nintendo even own Pok?mon? Because judging from the whole Pokemon Go situation, back when it exploded into popularity and Nintendo's stock rose and then fell when investors found out it wasn't actually their property, I don't think it is. Unless something has changed in the meantime.

You haven't actually answered the question other than saying you think Nintendo is the best therefor they don't need it, which obviously not everyone will argee to.

Saying things like 'people need to stop doubting their power'. What does that even mean? That people need to accept that Nintendo is the best? That when Nintendo doesn't succeed (like with the Wii-U and Gamecube) it's not on them, but on the people who "doubted their power"?
It was like Marvel and X-Men movies. Nintendo owns the IP, but then they licensed it to the GO company, whatever it was.

What question did I not answer?

I am not saying third party games on Nintendo consoles is bad, I am saying people need to stop pretending its a requirement for Nintendo's success.

If you think the Wii U and Gamecube weren't successful, then you're one of the people I am talking about.

Or I guess Nintendo is just failing their way all the way to the bank. *shrug*
 

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Saelune said:
I am not saying third party games on Nintendo consoles is bad, I am saying people need to stop pretending its a requirement for Nintendo's success.
Without third parties & second parties, the Switch would have... very few games. Fewer than 20. No console would be a sane purchase if it had <20 games, regardless of what they are.

I say that as a happy owner of a Switch. I've just a few minutes ago stopped playing the (brilliant, Switch/PC-exclusive, third-party) Octopath Traveler.