The Future of Movies (Maybe)

J Tyran

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Personally I do not see streaming becoming a thing for movie theaters for some time yet, not without a massive jump in internet technology. The amount of data in 2k and 4k movies that no longer use film is huge, these movies are already transported on HDDs. It would be difficult for some theaters to download more than one at a time let alone stream them, 8k screen resolutions are the next step too shifting the goalposts even further.
 

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Like the post above me claims, I belive streaming is still far off, both because the data for the films will probably keep increasing and because they'll want to have the film before it starts showing. Don't know about you, but if the film pauzes to download more halfway through the movie because the dl rate was a bit slow for one reason or another, I wouldn't go to theaters anymore.
It's just so much safer to have a complete copy ready and then show it.
Downloading the films instead of transporting them by hard disc probably will happen.
 

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The only answer to a cell phone in a theater, whether live or movie. :D
 

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Nouw said:
chikusho said:
Silverspetz said:
People will still go to the theatre for the experience of it. There is just something massively different about seeing a movie in the theatre as opposed to your own living room or on your computer. The popcorn, the seats, the size of the room and the screen and even the presence of other people there watching it with you (for good or for ill) just creates this atmosphere that a home-theatre system just won't match...EVER.

Aside from that it just isn't practically feasible that home-entertainment systems will be able to replace theatres even if they could deliver the exact same experience. Not everyone has the money to buy one of those things, and far fewer has the extra space necessary to set it up. The size is a big part of the theatre experience so if home-entertainment is ever going to even have a chance of replicating it the space IS necessary.
You can emulate a huge theater screen just fine with an Oculus Rift. Buying one of those can get you infinite cinema experiences for $300, and it only takes up space that your head is already occupying.
I think it's more of a social-thing than a technical-thing. Sure we may be able to emulate a cinematic experience and -if you're fortunate enough- afford a better home-theatre system than your local theatre but it's still artificial compared to physically going outside the house with a bunch of mates/your family and having a good time. The two biggest markets for films, can't be bothered getting figures right now sorry, are teens and families as evident by emphasis on film-makers getting a PG-13 rating and for a recent example, the abundance of super-hero movies. This is for a reason, because they are the groups that are most likely to go out to watch a movie.

If you were to ask a group of teens what they'd do to 'hang-out' I guarantee going out to catch a movie would come up often. Ask the same for families and even couples.
I agree with what you're saying about the social aspect, but I'd like to add this to the home theater thing: it's not as expensive as you might think. I'd stack up the sound end of my system with even the local Liemax screen (real 70mm Imax is another story, as is the picture), let alone the average multiplex screen, and the whole system cost about what a new console would, except I spread it out of a period of five years or so. You can get amazing sound for a very low entry price, the trick is having the patience to find what you need inexpensively. My mains, for example, are an old set of towers I found in a thrift shop, $20 for the pair. Not high end by any means, but I can guarantee you they're better than what most people have in their "home theater," and they cost a lot less, to boot.
 

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the antithesis said:
Nouw said:
I think it's more of a social-thing than a technical-thing.
I don't know about that. How many people talk to strangers at a movie theater? A bunch of people in the same place at the same time isn't necessarily a social experience. Otherwise the theater is competing more with crowded buses than home theaters. It used to be that people would socialize with strangers at theaters, I suppose. But that isn't the case anymore.
Socializing isn't by any means restricted to strangers. It's with a group of people you know whether they be your family, friends, work colleagues and etc. Sure you could always strike up a conversation with a stranger at the cinema but that isn't really what I mean when I say socialize. To socialize in this context isn't to meet new people and befriend them but rather to talk, interact and have a good time.
Owyn_Merrilin said:
I agree with what you're saying about the social aspect, but I'd like to add this to the home theater thing: it's not as expensive as you might think. I'd stack up the sound end of my system with even the local Liemax screen (real 70mm Imax is another story, as is the picture), let alone the average multiplex screen, and the whole system cost about what a new console would, except I spread it out of a period of five years or so. You can get amazing sound for a very low entry price, the trick is having the patience to find what you need inexpensively. My mains, for example, are an old set of towers I found in a thrift shop, $20 for the pair. Not high end by any means, but I can guarantee you they're better than what most people have in their "home theater," and they cost a lot less, to boot.
Hmmm my only concern then is who, or rather how many people, could be bothered to put that much effort into making their own home theatre when the option of going out is cheaper and easier, in the short-run at least. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have my own home theatre system and I'd actively encourage it but I still think the market for people who believe otherwise is still quite strong.

I've always thought it was expensive and generally more trouble than its worth. Thanks for enlightening me ^_^.
 

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I'm kind of surprised Bob didn't mention the growing trend of movie theatre grills/restaurants. That is, movie theatres with table space in front of the rows of chairs and full food/drink menus available. I've seen places do it old-school style where you order your food and drinks outside the theatre and then bring them in and find a seat, and others (like Alamo Drafthouse and Studio Movie Grill) where you write your order down on a provided card or slip of paper (there are dim lights under the table-top so you can see the menu and your own order card once the movie actually starts) and waiters come by every now and then before and during the film to pickup orders, drop off food, re-fill beverages, and drop off/pick up bills.

It's a pretty great system that didn't exist in my area before the turn of the millennium, and I still run into people all of the time who have never heard of or consider going to a theatre that serves full meals (and alcohol!) during the showing.

*shrugs*
Iv'e never heard of that . But isn't it distracting to have people come a take orders/food during the movie?
 

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Nouw said:
Socializing isn't by any means restricted to strangers. It's with a group of people you know whether they be your family, friends, work colleagues and etc. Sure you could always strike up a conversation with a stranger at the cinema but that isn't really what I mean when I say socialize. To socialize in this context isn't to meet new people and befriend them but rather to talk, interact and have a good time.
And this is something you can easily do in your home. People do this all the time, actually. So I'm still not seeing the appeal of a movie theater.
 

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chikusho said:
Silverspetz said:
People will still go to the theatre for the experience of it. There is just something massively different about seeing a movie in the theatre as opposed to your own living room or on your computer. The popcorn, the seats, the size of the room and the screen and even the presence of other people there watching it with you (for good or for ill) just creates this atmosphere that a home-theatre system just won't match...EVER.

Aside from that it just isn't practically feasible that home-entertainment systems will be able to replace theatres even if they could deliver the exact same experience. Not everyone has the money to buy one of those things, and far fewer has the extra space necessary to set it up. The size is a big part of the theatre experience so if home-entertainment is ever going to even have a chance of replicating it the space IS necessary.
You can emulate a huge theater screen just fine with an Oculus Rift. Buying one of those can get you infinite cinema experiences for $300, and it only takes up space that your head is already occupying.
Still not at all the same. Part of the cinema experience is the size of the room as much as the screen, not to mention the people around you. Simply fooling your brain into thinking that it is looking at a bigger screen than it really is will never compare.

the antithesis said:
Nouw said:
I think it's more of a social-thing than a technical-thing.
I don't know about that. How many people talk to strangers at a movie theater? A bunch of people in the same place at the same time isn't necessarily a social experience. Otherwise the theater is competing more with crowded buses than home theaters. It used to be that people would socialize with strangers at theaters, I suppose. But that isn't the case anymore.
The social experience of moviegoing goes beyond simply socializing with people you know. It is the fact that there are other people AROUND you, watching the movie with you, sharing an interest in real-time that makes it a social experience, even if you don't talk with any other people at all. And yes, you can find new people to socialize with by going to the theatre too. It happens all the time.

Heck, just the fact that you have to get out of your house and GO somewhere makes the cinema a vastly different movie-experience than any kind of home-delivery system. And I'm not saying any of those are bad, just saying that it will never be the same as going to an actual theatre.
 

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Pyrian said:
chikusho said:
You can emulate a huge theater screen just fine with an Oculus Rift.
No, you can't. Even the consumer version simply doesn't have the resolution. You'll be looking at it through a screen door, as they say.
Actually they already have a working HD version, it just hasn't been released yet (even through the beta program).

But I still don't think a bunch of people sitting at home wearing oculuses (oculii?) is the same as a movie theatre experience.
 

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Steve the Pocket said:
Yeah, well, Swedes are probably just better people than Americans. One day I'd like to study the cultures that are Just Better than America, like Sweden and Canada, and figure out just what's up with that. Maybe it's the cold weather. People can't work up the energy to be an asshole when they're too cold all the time. That would also explain why people from the South are so much worse.
In all likelihood you'll just discover their assholery manifests in different ways.
 

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Nouw said:
chikusho said:
Silverspetz said:
People will still go to the theatre for the experience of it. There is just something massively different about seeing a movie in the theatre as opposed to your own living room or on your computer. The popcorn, the seats, the size of the room and the screen and even the presence of other people there watching it with you (for good or for ill) just creates this atmosphere that a home-theatre system just won't match...EVER.

Aside from that it just isn't practically feasible that home-entertainment systems will be able to replace theatres even if they could deliver the exact same experience. Not everyone has the money to buy one of those things, and far fewer has the extra space necessary to set it up. The size is a big part of the theatre experience so if home-entertainment is ever going to even have a chance of replicating it the space IS necessary.
You can emulate a huge theater screen just fine with an Oculus Rift. Buying one of those can get you infinite cinema experiences for $300, and it only takes up space that your head is already occupying.
I think it's more of a social-thing than a technical-thing. Sure we may be able to emulate a cinematic experience and -if you're fortunate enough- afford a better home-theatre system than your local theatre but it's still artificial compared to physically going outside the house with a bunch of mates/your family and having a good time. The two biggest markets for films, can't be bothered getting figures right now sorry, are teens and families as evident by emphasis on film-makers getting a PG-13 rating and for a recent example, the abundance of super-hero movies. This is for a reason, because they are the groups that are most likely to go out to watch a movie.

If you were to ask a group of teens what they'd do to 'hang-out' I guarantee going out to catch a movie would come up often. Ask the same for families and even couples.
That's the beauty of the occulus rift. It's just the start, an early prototype that already gives people the feeling they're in an open room looking at a large screen. It wouldn't take a ton to get people with realistic enough avatars and incorporating the ability to talk to each other to meet a lot of the requirements of a social event. Again, there are a lot of downsides to going to see a movie in a public place. But imagine if you and your group of friends were sitting on couches in your own house watching the movie? Is that significantly different from seeing a movie in theaters?

I'd say that a movie is nice when you actually want to get out of the house and do something when not much else is available. It's one of those safe bets where even if you didn't like the movie you at least feel like you did something with your time.
 

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SnowWookie said:
Pyrian said:
chikusho said:
You can emulate a huge theater screen just fine with an Oculus Rift.
No, you can't. Even the consumer version simply doesn't have the resolution. You'll be looking at it through a screen door, as they say.
Actually they already have a working HD version...
Yeah, the consumer version I mentioned. 1080p. That won't render the screen in fidelity, nevermind the theatre environment.
 

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Still not at all the same. Part of the cinema experience is the size of the room as much as the screen, not to mention the people around you. Simply fooling your brain into thinking that it is looking at a bigger screen than it really is will never compare.
An Oculus could just as easily emulate a larger room as well, but you're right. It will never compare. For some people it will be superior. Hell, part of the reason so many are investing in super huge TV's and massive surround sound systems is to get away from as much of the bullshit "movie experience" as possible with the actual movie still intact. Getting away from noisy, talking, phone fiddling people; dirty, sticky floors; poor view from seats at the edge of the theater; supporting lobby organization making the customer the villain; being forced to watch commercials even though you paid to see a movie and still getting shilled on the prices of tickets and popcorn.

Personally I hope that enough people will get fed up with the movie theater industry that it dies a slow terrible death.
 

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Lightknight said:
Nouw said:
I think it's more of a social-thing than a technical-thing. Sure we may be able to emulate a cinematic experience and -if you're fortunate enough- afford a better home-theatre system than your local theatre but it's still artificial compared to physically going outside the house with a bunch of mates/your family and having a good time. The two biggest markets for films, can't be bothered getting figures right now sorry, are teens and families as evident by emphasis on film-makers getting a PG-13 rating and for a recent example, the abundance of super-hero movies. This is for a reason, because they are the groups that are most likely to go out to watch a movie.

If you were to ask a group of teens what they'd do to 'hang-out' I guarantee going out to catch a movie would come up often. Ask the same for families and even couples.
That's the beauty of the occulus rift. It's just the start, an early prototype that already gives people the feeling they're in an open room looking at a large screen. It wouldn't take a ton to get people with realistic enough avatars and incorporating the ability to talk to each other to meet a lot of the requirements of a social event. Again, there are a lot of downsides to going to see a movie in a public place. But imagine if you and your group of friends were sitting on couches in your own house watching the movie? Is that significantly different from seeing a movie in theaters?

I'd say that a movie is nice when you actually want to get out of the house and do something when not much else is available. It's one of those safe bets where even if you didn't like the movie you at least feel like you did something with your time.
At this point I can't really explain it as well as say, a sociologist/psychologist could. I do find the prospect of a future where traditional social values is further challenged to be interesting however. It will be like when communication through calling, texting, e-mailing, IM'ing and face-timing was introduced. I think while it will have a market, most people will prefer to go for the real thing but I'm not qualified to say that :p. Perhaps one day we will never even leave the house and interact purely through the technology available to us *shrugs.* As a growing teen myself I would absolutely loathe that. It'd feel so fake and anti-social and considering my peers put even more emphasis on 'socializing' I really don't think it'll take off at least now for a long, long time.


the antithesis said:
Nouw said:
Socializing isn't by any means restricted to strangers. It's with a group of people you know whether they be your family, friends, work colleagues and etc. Sure you could always strike up a conversation with a stranger at the cinema but that isn't really what I mean when I say socialize. To socialize in this context isn't to meet new people and befriend them but rather to talk, interact and have a good time.
And this is something you can easily do in your home. People do this all the time, actually. So I'm still not seeing the appeal of a movie theater.
Refer to Silver's response which is pretty much what I would have written anyway. Going outside, being in the presence of others. You may not personally enjoy that or understand its appeal but as I said before, families and teens do and they're a massive movie market. Now whether or not society should leave behind these social values is an interesting question and with the introduction of the Occulus Rift it may soon become the next big controversy/challenge for us to overcome.
 

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The only reason I've ever heard that movie studios aren't already distributing movies digitally lies in the fact that they have to keep that artificial gulf between the theater release and the retail release. If all movies were just digital, why bother with releasing to theaters at all?
 

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So basically the horror show of Lucas fixing the "Han Shot First" debate is going to become the norm? Can't wait for that mess.
 

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CelestDaer said:
The only reason I've ever heard that movie studios aren't already distributing movies digitally lies in the fact that they have to keep that artificial gulf between the theater release and the retail release. If all movies were just digital, why bother with releasing to theaters at all?
Especially if you have decent hackers or someone swipes the disk - bootlegging will practically become pointless.
 

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Nouw said:
At this point I can't really explain it as well as say, a sociologist/psychologist could. I do find the prospect of a future where traditional social values is further challenged to be interesting however. It will be like when communication through calling, texting, e-mailing, IM'ing and face-timing was introduced. I think while it will have a market, most people will prefer to go for the real thing but I'm not qualified to say that :p. Perhaps one day we will never even leave the house and interact purely through the technology available to us *shrugs.* As a growing teen myself I would absolutely loathe that. It'd feel so fake and anti-social and considering my peers put even more emphasis on 'socializing' I really don't think it'll take off at least now for a long, long time.
I'm sure most of us would agree that direct interaction would be preferred. But this could even be done directly in your house sitting next to them and this is only one event. To be honest, going to the movies is one of the least social events you can do. A group of people sitting in mostly silence while watching a screen. Why not do this in the comfort of your own home if possible?