Drivers?Woodsey said:
You mean, the things you download off most manufacturer sites with a "click here to auto-detect" button, install and restart?
The things that take five minutes to update?
THAT'S why people are avoiding PCs?
Uh.
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Um.
The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race
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You mean, the things you download off most manufacturer sites with a "click here to auto-detect" button, install and restart?
The things that take five minutes to update?
THAT'S why people are avoiding PCs?
Uh.
...
Um.
I think you need to see what this guy said;Hyakunin Isshu said:
im sure the Commodore C64 titles could play on the C128. if you want to add that top the listAnti-Robot Man said:
I know you're probably going to get banned, but this is now one of my favourite posts on the Escapist forums. Thank you.ms401 said:
How does one platform change ruin his Assassin's Creed example?Hyakunin Isshu said:
Like... at all?
It's unfortunate that Mass Effect only has 3 on a Nintendo console, but's it's equally as unfortunate that Assassin's Creed DOES have the previous games on the previous console but they can't be played on the new one.
And of those two situations, guess which is easier to fix?
Also, about the new ideas that consoles would allow... so far, I hate all of them. That's a bad sign, don't you think?
I agree strongly with you, Ben, in that I was really hesitant about joining the PC gaming community due to the seemingly insurmountable obstacle of the, well, "community". But it seems in the last handful of years or so (with the rise of games that can play exactly like their console counterparts with an xbox 360 controller on PC and local co-op on PC) a new generation of PC gamers is rising that's friendly and accessible.
I am part of that generation and soon you will be too. While the tired stereotype of the guy who HAS to have a Core I7 (overclocked to 90000 thz or something) with 3 GTX Titans (also overclocked) so he can get 100+ FPS on Crysis 3 running on 9 monitors at 4k resolution each and will undoubtedly complain LOUDLY if it ever drops below 60 FPS may still be here (I already see one in this thread, not naming any names), it seems those of us who are perfectly willing and happy to handhold newcomers to help our community grow and be a positive one is growing.
I'm in it.
My friends are in it.
My brother's in it (just converted him in a nice, friendly way as opposed to yelling "NOOB" and calling him a console-scrub).
Soon you will be in it. Let's overpower the old generation and usher in an era of happy, helping PC Gamers as opposed to the kind that will laugh at you if you're running anything less than the aforementioned rig.
I am part of that generation and soon you will be too. While the tired stereotype of the guy who HAS to have a Core I7 (overclocked to 90000 thz or something) with 3 GTX Titans (also overclocked) so he can get 100+ FPS on Crysis 3 running on 9 monitors at 4k resolution each and will undoubtedly complain LOUDLY if it ever drops below 60 FPS may still be here (I already see one in this thread, not naming any names), it seems those of us who are perfectly willing and happy to handhold newcomers to help our community grow and be a positive one is growing.
I'm in it.
My friends are in it.
My brother's in it (just converted him in a nice, friendly way as opposed to yelling "NOOB" and calling him a console-scrub).
Soon you will be in it. Let's overpower the old generation and usher in an era of happy, helping PC Gamers as opposed to the kind that will laugh at you if you're running anything less than the aforementioned rig.
Actually I would say Steam sales make PC gaming MORE expensive XD you end up spending more than you would've cuz you keep thinking "BUT I CAN'T PASS UP THIS DEAL!"rofltehcat said:
this is only partially exaggerated
Yeah, exactly. Pops up 4 or 5 times in any given thread on the subject. Saw someone list the process of installing a game as a problem the other day. Not the time it takes to install, but the process of clicking 'next' a few times. Then there's the stuff where people seem to think they break down every 5 minutes.lacktheknack said:
And the funny thing is that ever since I heard the term (I think it was on 4chan) I've agreed with it - unironically, since I didn't know the origin of the term.
I've always seen consoles as silly. Pay extra just to be able to play online? What? I already pay for my internet connection, why pay double? Plus I could never figure those controlers out - give me a mouse and keyboard any day. Wait up to ten years for a hardware upgrade that doesn't even really catch up to modern standards? Sure...
I've always seen consoles as silly. Pay extra just to be able to play online? What? I already pay for my internet connection, why pay double? Plus I could never figure those controlers out - give me a mouse and keyboard any day. Wait up to ten years for a hardware upgrade that doesn't even really catch up to modern standards? Sure...
"Who actually prefer games that are temperamental to get running and that have complicated keyboard interfaces, just because it discourages new or 'casual' players who will in some way taint the entire community with their presence."
That has got to be a VERY small number of PC gamers. Many PC gamers are actually multi-platform gamers, who also own at least one console. I grew up on console but now prefer the PC b/c I am adult with only so much time for games and I don't want to have to buy a separate device just for games. I already do everything else on PC so doing my gaming there is a natural fit.
I also don't think there are nearly as many issues getting games to run, especially today with services like Steam, GOG.com installers, and Windows 7 as a platform. It is very rare that I run into any kind of issue getting something to run, provided I meet the stated requirements.
In any case I have always been open to the idea of getting a console again but nothing I saw the PS4 of Xbox One tempted me in the slightest.
So part of the Glorious PC Gaming Master race I shall stay.
EDIT: The whole "complicated keyboard interface" thing is just what you are used to. I have seen console only gamers become at least competent on keyboard and mouse controls, having never used them, in a matter of a couple hours. Like so many things it is just a matter of getting used to it.
That has got to be a VERY small number of PC gamers. Many PC gamers are actually multi-platform gamers, who also own at least one console. I grew up on console but now prefer the PC b/c I am adult with only so much time for games and I don't want to have to buy a separate device just for games. I already do everything else on PC so doing my gaming there is a natural fit.
I also don't think there are nearly as many issues getting games to run, especially today with services like Steam, GOG.com installers, and Windows 7 as a platform. It is very rare that I run into any kind of issue getting something to run, provided I meet the stated requirements.
In any case I have always been open to the idea of getting a console again but nothing I saw the PS4 of Xbox One tempted me in the slightest.
So part of the Glorious PC Gaming Master race I shall stay.
EDIT: The whole "complicated keyboard interface" thing is just what you are used to. I have seen console only gamers become at least competent on keyboard and mouse controls, having never used them, in a matter of a couple hours. Like so many things it is just a matter of getting used to it.
A decent $1000 rig should, with a little care and TLC, outlast a console gen by far.Yellowbeard said:
Woodsey said:
Fun fact: In the last five years, I've had to troubleshoot THREE games, and one was for problems that were present on the console version (Dammit Fable 3!). Dark Souls fixed ITSELF by letting it sit for an hour. My other PC gaming frineds have had to fix NO games in the last while.
Not to mention that Steam reduces the clicking to "would you like to install this?" -> "yes".
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When was it that you used that picutre Yahtzee? Was it 2007 or 2008? Whatever year it was, arguing over who is "smarter" or more "intelligent" for using a different platform is just as retarded now is it was then.
Microsoft isn't really doing a goob job with the Xbox One, but then again that's just good for Sony and Nintendo. Free market and all that jazz.
Microsoft isn't really doing a goob job with the Xbox One, but then again that's just good for Sony and Nintendo. Free market and all that jazz.
I will say that while you can build a gaming machine for relatively cheap, you'd be talking about a machine that would quickly become outdated after a few years as well as one that would not typically allow for peak settings in today's game. But, it could absolutely play today's games as well as tomorrows games for a few years on lower settings.
If you want to do it right and have a pc that will last as long as the consoles do, I'd recommend putting in the extra hundred bucks. If you know computers well enough to put them together (beware, it is a steep learning curve but worth knowing) then you can put a high-range pc together for around $1,000 if you wait for deals on components. The $700 machine is more of a mid-range but is all you really need if you're not a graphiophile.
If you want to do it right and have a pc that will last as long as the consoles do, I'd recommend putting in the extra hundred bucks. If you know computers well enough to put them together (beware, it is a steep learning curve but worth knowing) then you can put a high-range pc together for around $1,000 if you wait for deals on components. The $700 machine is more of a mid-range but is all you really need if you're not a graphiophile.
My views on gaming platforms are identical to Yahtzees, as described in the article. I've been an XBox 360 man since launch for the convenience of the games working out of the box (among other reasons), while using my definitely-in-no-way-a-gaming-laptop laptop for indies on Steam and oldies from GoG. The past few days, reading up on the frothing mass of disappointment and doom that has been the Xbone reveal so far, there came a point (pretty early on, actually) where a switch was flipped and I mentally threw my hands up and declared "Fuck that noise". I can get a gaming rig- an upgrade from my almost decade-old laptop that will be like night and day- and have my ninety-two-strong Steam library, as well as my future buying options, intact. Besides, I don't even like sports.
Those kind of people have a pc in the same with other have cars. They want to mod it up, make it faster, louder etc My thoughts are, whats the point in spending all that money just to play the handful of games that need a rig that powerful? An even when they port those games to the 360, like Crysis 2 and Far Cry 3 - the gameplay is still the same. FC3 was good fun, but C2 was crap.....but certain people seem to take graphics over game play.
Also even when a developer brings out a shitty game like Aliens CM, gamers will mod it to make it look better. But why? Now i think modders do some amazing stuff, but they shouldnt need to patch games. I would rather just not buy the game than have to look and hope modders have fixed it. Isnt that just allowing developers to release buggy games?
I like Steam, its great for gaming, i just use it for older games like xcom. I wish they would have worked with MS. Cheaper games are good for every body and i guess there sales are like console gamers buying used. I know there is a steambox in the works, but i dont know who they are aiming to sell it to. PC gamers wont buy it, console gamers will get those games anyway and i doubt non gamers will waste money on it. Unless Steam box is something like an app on a smart tv?
But as ive said to many people. Consoles are for gamers who enjoy playing games. PC's are for people that want top of the range graphic, high def and 60fps (as in gaming isnt the primary reason).
It is interesting reading people talking about cost of parts and what parts to get. But for me personally, building a pc just for gaming isnt worth it as i mostly rent games. But for those that like buying, collecting and building up a huge catalogue of titles that they will replay in 10 years time. Then PC is the way to go as its BC. Especially now as console exclusives are getting very thin on the ground when you compare it to the exclusives the PS2 had.
Also even when a developer brings out a shitty game like Aliens CM, gamers will mod it to make it look better. But why? Now i think modders do some amazing stuff, but they shouldnt need to patch games. I would rather just not buy the game than have to look and hope modders have fixed it. Isnt that just allowing developers to release buggy games?
I like Steam, its great for gaming, i just use it for older games like xcom. I wish they would have worked with MS. Cheaper games are good for every body and i guess there sales are like console gamers buying used. I know there is a steambox in the works, but i dont know who they are aiming to sell it to. PC gamers wont buy it, console gamers will get those games anyway and i doubt non gamers will waste money on it. Unless Steam box is something like an app on a smart tv?
But as ive said to many people. Consoles are for gamers who enjoy playing games. PC's are for people that want top of the range graphic, high def and 60fps (as in gaming isnt the primary reason).
It is interesting reading people talking about cost of parts and what parts to get. But for me personally, building a pc just for gaming isnt worth it as i mostly rent games. But for those that like buying, collecting and building up a huge catalogue of titles that they will replay in 10 years time. Then PC is the way to go as its BC. Especially now as console exclusives are getting very thin on the ground when you compare it to the exclusives the PS2 had.
I can't play console games anymore. The shitty 30FPS and below are horrible. I see flickering, lines, and it makes me nauseous. I need the FPS to be at least 40 for my eyes and brain.SonOfVoorhees said:
So games at 60FPS are awesome, and smooth. Plus I dont feel like throwing up
Y'know, maybe it's a tech enthusiast thing, but I've never understood why crowing about what your PC can do with it's hardware is important.
Surely there's much, much more to PC gaming than just the shiniest graphics?
The massive back catalogue, the ease of independent development and distribution - and therefore the flourishing of creativity and innovation, the easy availability of technical support, the relative user-friendliness compared to even five years ago, the multi-purpose nature of the thing?
Hearing gamers repeating the (true) industry problem of focusing on high-end shiny graphics and how such things are unnecessary, and then in the same breath crowing about how their PC can handle these high-end shiny graphics so well seems a little, well, hypocritical. These probably aren't the same people speaking, but that's how it seems to me.
Much as I can admit, as both a console and PC gamer, that PC is objectively the better platform by now; having the obnoxious 'elitist' attitude that implies 'you shouldn't be permitted to play vidyagaems unless it's on a PC' is a poisonous and unnecessary attitude to have. I think that's what we mean when we refer to 'PC elitists'.
Surely there's much, much more to PC gaming than just the shiniest graphics?
The massive back catalogue, the ease of independent development and distribution - and therefore the flourishing of creativity and innovation, the easy availability of technical support, the relative user-friendliness compared to even five years ago, the multi-purpose nature of the thing?
Hearing gamers repeating the (true) industry problem of focusing on high-end shiny graphics and how such things are unnecessary, and then in the same breath crowing about how their PC can handle these high-end shiny graphics so well seems a little, well, hypocritical. These probably aren't the same people speaking, but that's how it seems to me.
Much as I can admit, as both a console and PC gamer, that PC is objectively the better platform by now; having the obnoxious 'elitist' attitude that implies 'you shouldn't be permitted to play vidyagaems unless it's on a PC' is a poisonous and unnecessary attitude to have. I think that's what we mean when we refer to 'PC elitists'.
Yeah, I had already come to this conclusion not long before this article. I have been a console gamer all my life. I was always of the mindset that it would be far too expensive, complicated, and invasive. I held on because PC's lacked local multiplayer. Now all of those things are applying to consoles anyway. With my recent introduction to steam, I'm starting to think gaming is going to have to go back to where it all began: PC.
The important metric here is how PC's and consoles stack up against one another, now how well PC's and their games scale. That "mid-range" desktop PC nowadays will put you on rough parity with the next-generation consoles' graphical capability -- take a look at how little RAM these next-generation consoles have, for example, and tell me they're going to be a serious competitor.Lightknight said:
If you care about graphics, load times, and responsiveness.