The Half-Naked Elf Problem

[Kahunaburger]

So now it's "entitled" to not want pedo shit in vidya gaems?

You seem pretty darn entitled to have your opinion heard and accepted as the norm.
Why else would you repeatedly proclaim it?
My condolences but yours isn't the only view on this world no matter how much you keep kicking and screaming about it.

Ah but to answer your question, while it isn't that far off, there is in fact a more fitting term for such behavior than "entitled". It starts with a "b".

"Being a decent human being?"

As I said before, I'm honestly shocked that "pedophilia is bad, and character designs should not sexualize children" is apparently a controversial opinion for some folks around here. Because it's certainly not controversial in the real world.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

I'm curious; does the presence of this race that somehow slipped under the article's author's indignation radar, present a problem with selling the game in places like the UK and the USA? On store shelves I mean.

Captcha: bigger in texas. Least appropriate one for this question it was likely to get.

 

[Kahunaburger]

I'm curious; does the presence of this race that somehow slipped under the article's author's indignation radar, present a problem with selling the game in places like the UK and the USA? On store shelves I mean.

Apparently they changed some stuff with that in mind. The "hello, bluehole, why don't you have a seat over there" race has pants in some of the export versions.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

I'm curious; does the presence of this race that somehow slipped under the article's author's indignation radar, present a problem with selling the game in places like the UK and the USA? On store shelves I mean.

Apparently they changed some stuff with that in mind. The "hello, bluehole, why don't you have a seat over there" race has pants in some of the export versions.

You know as a fan of anime these sort of shenanigans kinda just wash over me; its a product from a culture that I don't fully understand and arguably a niche product in my own country. So I just sort of shrug my shoulders and go 'Oh East Asia' and do my best to ignore it. Tera on the other hand, is an MMO; a global product. Its makers shouldn't be in the game business, they should be drug barons by selling whatever they were smoking when they designed that race thinking 'Yeah, this will totally fly in America', God I bet even the walls got high.

 

[intheweeds]

Surely a practical full-body armor suit can be made to look sexy? And as for existing preferences, why not just have the same design, but with stronger materials?.

I really hope you're kidding here, it's funny if you think that the only problem with it is that women are showing skin. We actually don't need to look sexy all the time, you know. Certainly not when we are wearing a full suit of armor. I mean, really... really?

It does, however, bring up my thoughts on this:

What if I want to play a bad-ass? Seriously, I'm a girl, if I'm playing a game where I my character requires armor, I am obviously playing a game where combat is a major focus. This is not an "I want to look my prettiest" situation. I want to look like a friggin bad-ass. If I'm carrying a massive sword, I want to look like I might be strong enough to actually swing it and smart enough to protect my friggin midriff in a battle.

It's pretty obvious by the huge muscular men and hardcore armor that is so standard to most genres that men like to play games to feel like bad-asses. We do too! Why should we have to look sexy all the time? I like that feeling of getting off work and relaxing by turning into an online warrior too, you know. I just want to be able to look like one. Why can't women look hard too?

I quit WoW a while ago, but I played for years. Most of my characters were male just because they are the ones who get to actually look like they could battle. I loved my female Pally, but mostly because I found it hilarious and cute that her tiny frame would be swinging around this massive axe. She shouldn't look hilarious and cute - she should look awesome.

You don't understand the male mind do you?

Wow, way to completely miss the point - and be horribly sexist. All in the first statement. I doubt the 'male mind' is really all that different from the woman's anyway, other than the fact that he's used to having media cater to him all the time. Maybe shut up about your thoughts and consider what I just mentioned is going on in my 'female mind' just for a second since this is entirely what the article is about?

Anyway, no one is saying armor can't be sexy. I'm saying it shouldn't always be.

Look up. See that tiny moving dot way up over your head? That's the point.

 

[Purplecoyote]

I'm just going to throw out here that as a heterosexual girl, I'm DYING to play this MMO and the character design and clothing is one of the main reasons I want to do so.

Really? You even like the Loli stuff? Well, good on you I guess, but as a heterosexual guy I don't want a game to be so fucking stupid.

Seriously, have some integrity.

Sorry, that sounded insulting, I only mean, well, don't play a game with such shitty morals.

I especially like the "lolis". It's adorable bunny girls kicking a whole mess of ass, what's not to like.
Also as an illustrator myself, I'm in awe of all the details and beautiful design of all the clothes and armor of both male and female characters.

And the fact that they have jiggle physics and panty shots doesn't take away from the fact they are going around killing monsters and being badass.
I'd be way more offended if a female character that is covered in armor from head to toe would cry and have to be saved by men the whole time or be told to stay in kitchen and then have her do so without protesting even once. Things like that.

All of this is of course my own opinion, if the game's character design really bothers you then it's not my place to tell you what to do. It's your money.

 

[lord.jeff]

Does anyone else find it weird that this has been one of the most talked about subjects in games year after year? Like there's some rule with game journalists that you most address sexism at least once. I like the ideas in this tread, I play male characters and I hate the look of the spike armors of doom, which is pretty much the only armor you can get at high level.

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This is coming from someone who's uncomfortable with the loli race. It's not so much that the people enjoy that race for sexual reasons but that it's cute to them the sexual side of it never registers in there brain, much like with certain tribal people going around topless with nothing but a loincloth isn't viewed as sexual.

 

[Kahunaburger]

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This is coming from someone who's uncomfortable with the loli race. It's not so much that the people enjoy that race for sexual reasons but that it's cute to them the sexual side of it never registers in there brain, much like with certain tribal people going around topless with nothing but a loincloth isn't viewed as sexual.

I dunno, man, there are definitely some people in this thread who like the "why don't you have a seat over there" race because of sexual reasons. It's incredibly messed up. I mean, I'm a fan of capitalism and all, but I don't think we need games to cater to the pedophile demographic.

 

[SajuukKhar]

It is unfortunate we cant undo 50,000+ years of metal pre-sets in the past like couple hudnred years.

 

[Cecilthedarkknight_234]

Yeahhhh... im not comfortable with whoever designed those. Stay the fuck away from me

+1

Wow. What the fuck. Not okay, developers.

OT: This is my problem with the idea in the article. In the unlikely event that I were to play a MMO, I would prefer it not feature pedophilia-related shit, at all, ever. Giving players the option to pick between pedo and non-pedo gear would not make it okay.

seriously thats ingame? thats.. um disturbing to say the least and the guy in charge of it needs to have his harddrive searched by the police.

im not a mmo player my one and only mmorpg attempt was runes of magic.. got my first decent set of armour and thought "ok so my next quest is to stand on a street corner?"

my last post in the thread like I said this is made in south korea different laws, morals, customs and view on sexuality. Our laws do not apply to their country and it's the other way around here hence why I will not be playing that game and also due in part it's a MMORPG. I tend to loose more of my life playing those type of games than single rpgs like fallout, final fantasy IV or Disgaea.

 

[theheroofaction]

What really bugs me about this is that there's no particular reason why?
I mean, mmos can only be played by people with an internet connection.
That means that, people are trying to use sex to sell to people who can watch every type of porn for the incredibly low price of free.
Case in point, if I wanted something I could wank to, I would watch something made solely for wanking too.

 

[vortexgods]

Here is a comparison between the original Korean and U.S./EU models;

Small breasted (though not completely flat) but has an adult woman's hips. Not built like a child, at all.

If anything it's easier to tell it's an adult woman in the Korean version (not that either one looks remotely like a kid). My guess is that most of the pro-censorship crowd are not fond of ballet, where this build is more common. (Although, most ballet dancers do not have quite so pronounced child-bearing hips.)

American viewers are imagining children where there are none. People are disturbed by this image? I'm disturbed that there are people who see an obviously adult woman and think child. I could probably come up with a psychological evaluation here, but lets face it this kind of reading perverse sexual things into situations where there aren't any seems to be a peculiarly American phenomenon. Only in America do I hear about the sexual orientation of Teletubbies and muppets like Bert and Ernie. I just have to sigh and shake my head as another piece of commercial art is censored according to the whims of insane fundamentalist preachers (who are well known for having bizarre sexual proclivities themselves, as you can read in the news).

She's short, yeah, but short dwarves, gnomes, kenders, hobbits, etc have been part of high-fantasy RPGs since before the actual RPGs existed and all you had were the Lord of the Rings books. (Oh, also, there are little people in real life. Adults, and built like adults, but small.)

 

[hickwarrior]

You know, this whole pedophilia debate of TERA somehow got me to remind me of Emi in Katawa Shoujo. Look her up. I think it's the exact same thing vortexgods is hinting at.

Anyway, on-topic, since the topic did get derailed a lot: Like others some MMOs already do this where they have optional avatar clothes(get them now in the cash shop -.-) and normal armors with stats. Though I like the idea of having armour that have slots. Make those slots interchangeable with better gems, and you're on the right track, really.

What should be done though is not make the clothes have different prices for no real reason... Since they're only aesthetic, there would be no real reason to price them differently. I can't find good examples, so the only one I know of is freejack, a game about parkour racing. All of the fashion items there have no real stat boosts other than making your character look nicer. There's no other benefit there.

Also, the suggestion in the 2nd paragraph does lead to a tough choice for many F2P games. Most of the ones I'm playing right now sell fashion items only in the cash shop. So if you used the enhancement type system mentioned, and assume that people can only buy fashion items with in-game currency, it makes fashion items in the cash-shop completely moot, in my opinion. But that does make it better, for me at least.

I like customizing the look of my character. And with the enhancement system that's suggested, it'd just make me more happy. F2P games would still be able to sell things, since there will always be staples of the cash-shops, no matter how you look at it.

This is just what I think though.

 

[Grunt_Man11]

What if you con foes in PvP and you want to see who is tank spec and who has blues?

What?

It took a couple of tries but I finally understood what this tool was trying to say.

The first thing he was complaining about was the idea of using a game's "appearance system" to deceive gankers of the opposing side. The reply should be:

Deception is a part of war. Deal with it.

The second thing was not knowing what players in a dungeon pug are wearing at first glace. I've seen this complain made before. The reply should be:

Use the game's "inspect gear" function! Chances are you need to do it anyway to check for enchants, trinkets, and/or gems anyway. So what's the difference?

I want to see what the enemy players are really wearing!

Oh, ok.

You can solve this in a few ways. You can strip away the cosmetic facade and have people appear in their "real" gear when they enter PVP. You can add icons to their names to indicate what level of equipment they have. This isn't much of a stretch, since you can already click on someone and magically know what level they are relative to you. You can have player gather enchantments, which they can place onto any cosmetic item they like to make it behave like "armor". You can just leave the gear level unknown, forcing players to figure things out themselves without meta-gaming.

The reply to this is simple:

So you want to see what you opponent in Starcraft 2 has at their base at all times as well? You want the Fog of War gone as well?
Those you fight in any PvP situation have zero obligation to show you all their cards! It's your job to assess who is the bigger threat! Can't do that? Then stick to single-player gaming.

 

[GloatingSwine]

The method Shamus just mentioned has been in place for DC Universe Online for a REALLY long time (may have been in at launch, I dunno didn't play at launch), you pick up new items that come with looks attached, you put it on and it changes your look, HOWEVER if you want you can go into the appearance options and lock an item.

so say I have some awesome red and blue gloves that I don't want to loose but the rusty gauntlets have better stats, I lock the appearance of the red and blue gloves, then go to inventory swap out the gloves for the gauntlets and vwalla I get a +3 to strength AND my hero still looks cool.

To further elaborate on how DCUO has solved MMO dressup forever and every game which doesn't do it their way is Doing It Wrong, not only can you lock the appearance of a visible equip so it doesn't change when you equip a new item, you can choose the visual appearance of anything you have ever had equipped at any time.

You can also find and buy from vendors appearances seperate from any gear.

Since it is free to play, they even sell real money appearance items, and people seem to be buying them (to be fair, some of them do look pretty cool, want your character to look like a hole in space with stars visible through it, you can have that).

Now, of course, it is possible to create a character with Maximum Filth*, but you quickly find that doing that is a bit, well, boring compared to all the hundreds of other combinations of gear you can equip.

*Relatively speaking, the game's not very pretty.