The hell is wrong with people?!

[tangoprime]

Racism aside, I side with the people saying "he got what was coming to him", unless there's more to this than the video shows. Going by the evidence at hand, he fucked up and got put down for it. Good. I hate these "gangsta" type people.

Apparently someone said part of the video was cut. The cut video apparently showed the black man attempting to leave and the two white guys preventing him from doing so, causing him to start his outburst. But with the internet you can never be sure.

What does it matter? I saw all I needed in this snippet to make a judgement. Nothing prior to the physical escalation doesn't matter.

The New Yorker escalated a verbal confrontation into a physical one, and got his ass pounded. The man who was attacked physically responded, umm... "asymmetrically", and used overwhelming force to end the fight with as quickly as possible so as to avoid personal injury- that's how fights done correctly work. When the guy was clearly pacified, which the man on top would've been unable to tell without having the same view as the others who could see the downed man's face, someone told him he's done and he stopped punching. What if this would've happened, and he'd just knocked the guy down and attempted to disengage, and the New Yorker, who had ALREADY greatly escalated the confrontation once, had pulled a knife and stabbed the guy as he was getting off of him? That's why you keep hitting until you know they're not capable of hitting back.

 

[144_v1legacy]

New Yorkers are so far up their own asses about being from New York that they think it makes them better then everyone else. And "SuckMyDick" guy sounded like another typical New Yorker going around posturing and thinking he's untouchable. And he got the shit kicked out of him for it. So I actually found it entertaining to see the guy get his. The other guy shouldn't have kept piling on punches after he overpowered New Yorker, but I can't really blame him. New Yorker throws the first punch after antagonizing you for a solid 35 seconds that we see on the video and you wouldn't start throwing down like there was no tomorrow? Please. The adrenaline would throw you into a whole other gear where all rationality goes out the window. Hell I probably would've kicked him one last time before leaving so Arizona showed more restraint than I would've in the same situation.

This guy doesn't speak for 8.3 million people. He's the small vocal minority of civic pride - the same that you find in Boston, Texas, LA, Miami, and everywhere else. Even where you live. To make that kind of stereotype, you're part of the problem, and it's ironic that you'd watch this video and think yourself morally superior.

 

[generals3]

What does it matter? I saw all I needed in this snippet to make a judgement. Nothing prior to the physical escalation doesn't matter.

The New Yorker escalated a verbal confrontation into a physical one, and got his ass pounded. The man who was attacked physically responded, umm... "asymmetrically", and used overwhelming force to end the fight with as quickly as possible so as to avoid personal injury- that's how fights done correctly work. When the guy was clearly pacified, which the man on top would've been unable to tell without having the same view as the others who could see the downed man's face, someone told him he's done and he stopped punching. What if this would've happened, and he'd just knocked the guy down and attempted to disengage, and the New Yorker, who had ALREADY greatly escalated the confrontation once, had pulled a knife and stabbed the guy as he was getting off of him? That's why you keep hitting until you know they're not capable of hitting back.

The problem with hitting that much is that it can cause severe damage and is in 99.9% of the cases unnecessary.
I mean I have friends who have been involved in fights and never went that far and it never backfired. Usually when the aggressor is down and not struggling anymore it's over (and the black guy got hit quite more after he was a state of passivity). It's only in the cinema that the aggressor "abuses" the lack of use of extreme violence to strike back. And let's be honest, usually people who assault someone and are armed use it straight away (and most definitely if the aggressor is outnumbered), it's again only in the cinema where they first start to try without it and than escalate if needed.

 

[Nathaniel Grey]

Standing on a pretty high horse there. This is a pretty normal fight. You, and well most of the people on the escapist, don't seem like the type to get into scraps, but continuing to lay someone out is to be expected. Slurs and curses are a given and yes it is an absolute joy to watch two people go at it. Though what usually happens is that a friend intervenes and stops the guy from going to far(aka don't kill the guy). I don't see what the issue is here exactly. This is how people usually fight.

 

[Robert Marrs]

Maybe the guy will learn to keep his hands to himself next time. He told the guy he didn't want to fight him. If someone comes up and attacks me after I told them I didn't want to fight them I would probably do the same thing.

 

[Robert Marrs]

Well, why were we cheering when Zangief Kid nearly hospitalized another kid with a piledriver?

Same reasons.

Ugh. It guess it goes to show that people who were victimized make the most vicious bullies.
I guess the difference here is that those guys don't let him go afterwards. The kid did walk away after.

Anyway, I suppose just complaining about it isn'y useful, so I reported this and sent a complaint to youtube, because that's what the button is for. Say that I'm oversensitive or not, at least something was done.

Are you serious? You reported it? Honestly I will try to refrain from getting too personal here. Escapist rules and all. Why would you be so worked up about it that you feel the need to prevent other people from seeing it? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Its pretty much third party censorship. If you don't like it just don't watch it. No reason to try and control other people. If you don't like the way the burger place down the street cooks their burgers do you try and campaign against them? Simply put mind your own business.

 

[Frankster]

There's one thing that always puzzles me in this kind of vids.

Wtf is it with peeps pumping their chest and spreading their arms (to make themselves look bigger?) whilst basically thrusting their groin in the opponents direction as some weird posture of intimidation whilst walking TOWARDS their opponent and being all "what? what? you wanna fight?" or some other BS.

Free tip to people reading this: if someone does that to you, then kick them in the balls(or groin in general, works on all genders) as hard as you can, if they really are looking to start a fight that'll take him out of it immediately and leaves you free to deal with the buddy without worrying about a 1v2 and establishing yourself to some tough talkers that you ain't dicking around.
Seriously for an intimidating posture all it does is make you expose yourself horribly without hope of defending yourself (since you've spread your arms so wide).
Always make me laugh when I see people do that kinda stuff and have a tough guy attitude.

Your logic is absurd, you make it sound like reporting something is trying to "control other people".

The sense of entitlement is this post could level houses.

Dunno about entitlement but I cans see what he means... That basically it's not cool for ONE person or a minority of people to stamp their feet and report something cos it offended their sensibilities when they are perfectly free to ignore it and move on without spoiling it for others.
But nope, instead they cockblock everyone else and force others to conform to their morals, in a way "controlling" others by prohibiting them from watching stuff they personally find offensive.

Now maybe I'm misinterpreting something but to me the most erroneously "entitled" person would be those reporting something they find offensive but could easily avoid over those annoyed that they ain't offended but find themselves unable to watch something cos of the other person.

Anyways no point arguing over THIS specific video, but this particular topic could be its own thread if you guys really wanna debate this

 

[Frankster]

They're perfectly free to report it too. Pretending that they should just move on without "spoiling it for others" makes it sound like they're somehow "wrong" for reporting a video where a guy gets punched to a ragdoll state. It makes it sound like this is universally accepted as entertainment and that person is somehow "wrong" for finding it offensive. He elevated his "don't report this" stance above the "report this" stance out of sheer entitlement that his view was somehow superior, and cried censorship when someone did what they're perfectly free to do; disagree with him and report it.

Mmm I see where you're coming from now for the entitlement part, fair enough.

 

[Longstreet]

I have to say, i agree with what the white guy did and also agree with most of the comments made.

So let's look at the video first. Black guy shouts at white guys (i have the sound off since im at work but i guess it wasnt nice). White guys walk away, black guy says something to the camera after which he walks to the white guy and starts attacking. If he really wanted to leave (like elfgore said, he could have either just waited till the white guys left or turned around and walk away the other way. Result is that he gets a beating, which is totally deserved.

On the comments thing, while i agree with some of it, ill refrain from commenting on it further, warnings and all that stuff.


Also, has no one there heard of a damn parking brake? As far as i can tell there is no one sitting in that white car, yet by a simple bumb that fucker starts rolling backwards at freeway speeds.

 

[Strazdas]

I wonder how many of those people would say the same thing in front of a group of black guys twice their size?

why should that matter? Scare tactics to shush people is a good idea now? Everyone should be allowed to say what they think without fear if being beat up for their opinion. Even if the opinion is idiotic and racist. putting them in front of "group of black guys" should not make a difference unless you imply that scaring people into silence is the way to deal with it. Because that doesnt work. See - dictatorship.

 

[Thaluikhain]

There's one thing that always puzzles me in this kind of vids.

Wtf is it with peeps pumping their chest and spreading their arms (to make themselves look bigger?) whilst basically thrusting their groin in the opponents direction as some weird posture of intimidation whilst walking TOWARDS their opponent and being all "what? what? you wanna fight?" or some other BS.

Free tip to people reading this: if someone does that to you, then kick them in the balls(or groin in general, works on all genders) as hard as you can, if they really are looking to start a fight that'll take him out of it immediately and leaves you free to deal with the buddy without worrying about a 1v2 and establishing yourself to some tough talkers that you ain't dicking around.
Seriously for an intimidating posture all it does is make you expose yourself horribly without hope of defending yourself (since you've spread your arms so wide).
Always make me laugh when I see people do that kinda stuff and have a tough guy attitude.

Dunno...chimpanzees will try to look intimidating when attacking each other, drumming on tree roots and so on, maybe there is something to it.

Maybe if the person is easily frightened it works.

(As an aside, chimps are nasty. Don't leave the house without a machete)

 

[OneCatch]

Did people try and break up the fight, nope. They just sat there recording it for the internet. It's disgusting.

Would you try to break up the fight?
If so, why? Out of some misguided sense of justice?
The black guy clearly wanted to fight (he kept calling them out when they were walking away, he threw the first punch) and he got more than what he was asking for.
The problem is that he got hit in the head so much that he's probably dumber than he was before.

Because a person might not want to witness someone being badly hurt?
Or because any 'lesson to be learned' was learned just from having that great lummox sat on him and landing a few punches, and the repeated, gratuitous beating he got was entirely disproportionate? It's lucky that the 'victor' wasn't punching properly or the guy could have been *seriously* injured.
And before you ask, I have actually intervened in similar situations. Managed to save someone's teeth after some psycho starting stomping a grounded adversary - by physically lifting the attacker off and carrying him away. Not bad for a gangly sod who weighed about 9 stone at the time, if I do say so myself.

 

[Robert Marrs]

Ugh. It guess it goes to show that people who were victimized make the most vicious bullies.
I guess the difference here is that those guys don't let him go afterwards. The kid did walk away after.

Anyway, I suppose just complaining about it isn'y useful, so I reported this and sent a complaint to youtube, because that's what the button is for. Say that I'm oversensitive or not, at least something was done.

Are you serious? You reported it? Honestly I will try to refrain from getting too personal here. Escapist rules and all. Why would you be so worked up about it that you feel the need to prevent other people from seeing it? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Its pretty much third party censorship. If you don't like it just don't watch it. No reason to try and control other people. If you don't like the way the burger place down the street cooks their burgers do you try and campaign against them? Simply put mind your own business.

Your logic is absurd, you make it sound like reporting something is trying to "control other people".

The sense of entitlement is this post could level houses.

How is it different? If your going to make the claim at least back it up. If you are reporting something that does not negatively impact your life you are doing it for the sake of trying to prevent other people from seeing it. Either that or you feel like it was so reprehensible that it shouldn't be allowed to be...... seen by other people. You could just not watch it but you feel the need to stop it. So yeah I would say the logic is pretty sound. Its not entitlement to say people should just not watch or not participate if they don't agree so long as is doesn't actually involve them.

EDIT: Well I saw you kind of did try to explain your stance while responding to someone else but I would still have to disagree. I can't see how a state of inaction (or not reporting something) could be tied into entitlement. My saying that you shouldn't report something like that is just saying that other people shouldn't try and prevent other people from seeing something they find morally offensive because its not their place to decide that for everyone. While they are certainly in their right to report it they would be just as well off never watching it again. I would never have this "entitlement" you have accused me of having if OTHER PEOPLE were not trying to control what the rest of the world can and cannot see under the guise of holding the moral high ground. Don't like it just walk away.

Basically I'm not saying people are not allowed to be offended. They just shouldn't feel entitled to make a decision for everyone else. Calling my position entitled is about as ironic as it gets.

 

[Slaanesh]

Did people try and break up the fight, nope. They just sat there recording it for the internet. It's disgusting.

Oh I know bro, it irks me too. I mean, people not wanting to intervene when 2 violent strangers are going at it? C'mon. I really [http://www.fox19.com/story/12914570/man-stabbed-after-trying-to-break-up-fight-in-florence] can't think [http://www.wboy.com/story/23734568/state-police-man-stabbed-after-breaking-up-fight-in-morgantown] of one [http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/man-killed-break-fight-women-article-1.1423658] damn reason [http://www.citynews.ca/2014/03/11/victim-in-fatal-etobicoke-stabbing-was-trying-to-break-up-fight-police/] why these pussies [http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/10/24/man-stabbed-to-death-when-trying-to-break-up-a-fight/] don't want to [http://www.kfbk.com/articles/kfbk-news-461777/sacramento-man-stabbed-after-trying-to-12151926] break up a fight [http://wpri.com/2014/03/02/man-fatally-stabbed-after-fight-on-atwells-avenue/].

 

[Inazuma1]

ironic that you'd watch this video and think yourself morally superior.

When did I say I considered myself morally superior? If you actually read my post you would see I was marking myself as inferior because I admitted I would've thrown a final parting shot even after the fight was over because I'm very vindictive and spiteful. I don't live anywhere noteworthy and nobody is ever going to write a song about my hometown. But there are countless famous musicians from New York who let their civic pride hang out for all to see. And people latch on to that because "Hey! I'm from New York, the greatest city in the world according to X amount of famous people, therefore I'm better than you." and use that logic to feed their egos, which annoys me. Civic pride is not part of who I am because I grew up in a town that isn't worth a shit and if I found out tomorrow that it was obliterated in a nuclear strike I'd only say 'good riddance.'

 

[Robert Marrs]

Your logic is absurd, you make it sound like reporting something is trying to "control other people".

The sense of entitlement is this post could level houses.

How is it different? If your going to make the claim at least back it up. If you are reporting something that does not negatively impact your life you are doing it for the sake of trying to prevent other people from seeing it. Either that or you feel like it was so reprehensible that it shouldn't be allowed to be...... seen by other people. You could just not watch it but you feel the need to stop it. So yeah I would say the logic is pretty sound. Its not entitlement to say people should just not watch or not participate if they don't agree so long as is doesn't actually involve them.

What claim? That you could actually level houses with that? That's called an exaggeration, it's probably not possible to physically level houses with your post, though I'm sure it'd come close.

Anyway if you want to see my response to this just scroll up a bit. In the meantime if you don't want to report it you're free not to. If you do, you're free to do. If you dislike people disagreeing with you, tough, your opinion is no more valid than theirs. Thinking they made a decision for everyone else when everyone else is free to react in whatever way they see fit is crazy logic. You're not actually saying he made a decision for everyone else, you're saying those that don't agree with your decision should just do it anyway, just because.

I saw that post of yours and edited my post accordingly. You should refer to that for my response to your response.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

That said he shouldn't have went on the way he did he could have just walked away. Although, there is quite possibly more behind this but I'm just going on like the video is all that happened.

The problem with the idea that you can just walk away is that often you can't. If someone starts a fight with you in public then you're not proving a point or fighting to first blood, if you try and 'be the better man' and walk away all it might get you is stabbed in the back.

Not really. In this situation and most others you can nearly always walk away in some shape or form and this is one of them. Also turn around and walk away does not actually mean do a 180 from the person that acted aggressive to you while they are still being aggressive. In the area he is in there are plenty of options to remove himself from the situation.

 

[Frission]

/snip

I'm perfectly in my right to report it and move on, instead of just impotently winging. That's the reason the button is there and the video may even count as criminal content.

I did what I thought was right. I don't feel the need to consider the roman coliseum like spectators.
In the US or wherever you're from you may have a culture of just ignoring it, or there may just be the school mentality of not being a "snitch", but adults have some civic responsibility. I'm not the main administrator of youtube and they may just choose to ignore me if this doesn't break the site's policies. I just made a complaint, it's their choice to heed it or not.

 

[ForumSafari]

Not really. In this situation and most others you can nearly always walk away in some shape or form and this is one of them. Also turn around and walk away does not actually mean do a 180 from the person that acted aggressive to you while they are still being aggressive. In the area he is in there are plenty of options to remove himself from the situation.

If it were a playground or a nightclub I'd agree, but if a grown man attacks you in public, in broad daylight and with witnesses for what appears to be no real reason then God knows what they're thinking and I can totally understand someone wanting to ensure that they can escape safely. That shit just is not normal human behaviour and would wig anyone out.

 

[144_v1legacy]

New Yorkers are so far up their own asses about being from New York that they think it makes them better then everyone else. And "SuckMyDick" guy sounded like another typical New Yorker going around posturing and thinking he's untouchable. And he got the shit kicked out of him for it. So I actually found it entertaining to see the guy get his. The other guy shouldn't have kept piling on punches after he overpowered New Yorker, but I can't really blame him. New Yorker throws the first punch after antagonizing you for a solid 35 seconds that we see on the video and you wouldn't start throwing down like there was no tomorrow? Please. The adrenaline would throw you into a whole other gear where all rationality goes out the window. Hell I probably would've kicked him one last time before leaving so Arizona showed more restraint than I would've in the same situation.

This guy doesn't speak for 8.3 million people. He's the small vocal minority of civic pride - the same that you find in Boston, Texas, LA, Miami, and everywhere else. Even where you live. To make that kind of stereotype, you're part of the problem, and it's ironic that you'd watch this video and think yourself morally superior.

When did I say I considered myself morally superior? If you actually read my post you would see I was marking myself as inferior because I admitted I would've thrown a final parting shot even after the fight was over because I'm very vindictive and spiteful. I don't live anywhere noteworthy and nobody is ever going to write a song about my hometown. But there are countless famous musicians from New York who let their civic pride hang out for all to see. And people latch on to that because "Hey! I'm from New York, the greatest city in the world according to X amount of famous people, therefore I'm better than you." and use that logic to feed their egos, which annoys me. Civic pride is not part of who I am because I grew up in a town that isn't worth a shit and if I found out tomorrow that it was obliterated in a nuclear strike I'd only say 'good riddance.'

It doesn't matter that you didn't explicitly say you consider yourself morally superior, it's implicit in the image of yourself you've painted through your words.

What bothered me was your use of the idea of the "typical New Yorker." Because you don't know typical New Yorkers, and your follow-up post only solidified this belief. I see typical New Yorkers. I see lots of New Yorkers. I also see atypical ones. There are so many. And one of the atypical types of New Yorker is a loud douchebag who behaves as you've described, and as the boy in this video. But what you've done is confused this stereotype, a prick who happens to be from New York, with an archetype of the New Yorker, which he is not. And you've done this because you don't know any better.

Sometimes, people from Nowheresville tell me that I don't understand this or that because I'm not from a small place like they are (the "real America" argument is akin to this), but I don't assume that everyone from their hometown behaves that way, just some people.
Similarly, I don't think that everyone from your town would say "good riddance" following their home's nuclear destruction - just the sociopaths.