The hell is wrong with people?!

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You know how this should have gone? The guy there had a friend. If his friend helped him out there would have been almost no difficulty restraining him in a way besides punching him until you're content that he won't be able to get up again

I'm sorry but working in an industry where I kinda have to restrain people for a living from time to time I'll have to respectfully call bullshit on that one. It is incredibly dangerous and difficult to safely control a mature adult when they are emotionally agitated and physically aggressive.

Even with a smaller adult it generally takes two larger people and even then (unless the two larger people are quite well trained), it can still go disastrously wrong.

Second guessing what another human being would do after indulging in negatively charged swearing debate and then assaulted in the face,and then getting into an impromptu MMA match on the street? Kinda a waste of our time guys.

Adrenalin is a funny thing. You'd be amazed what you'd not notice.

My guess is soon as he realised the other guy was out he stopped.

As for the comments? They disgust me.

My opinion on the whole thing.

 

[EmilShmiengura]

Have you ever break up to people you don't know?? I did once. I will never ever do it again.My advice to anyone:don't ever try to do it. You don;t know why they're fighting, you're there all alone, just try and get help if you can or get out of their way.
As for "the hell is wrong with people" I ask myself this question everyday.

 

[The Almighty Aardvark]

You know how this should have gone? The guy there had a friend. If his friend helped him out there would have been almost no difficulty restraining him in a way besides punching him until you're content that he won't be able to get up again

I'm sorry but working in an industry where I kinda have to restrain people for a living from time to time I'll have to respectfully call bullshit on that one. It is incredibly dangerous and difficult to safely control a mature adult when they are emotionally agitated and physically aggressive.

Even with a smaller adult it generally takes two larger people and even then (unless the two larger people are quite well trained), it can still go disastrously wrong.

Second guessing what another human being would do after indulging in negatively charged swearing debate and then assaulted in the face,and then getting into an impromptu MMA match on the street? Kinda a waste of our time guys.

Adrenalin is a funny thing. You'd be amazed what you'd not notice.

My guess is soon as he realised the other guy was out he stopped.

As for the comments? They disgust me.

My opinion on the whole thing.

A guy coming over and telling him that he'd done enough was what eventually stopped him.

And fair enough, restraining him probably wouldn't have been as easy as I made it out to be. Stopping him from attacking them though? You have two guys, one of which is clearly stronger than the black guy. I'm pretty sure you have other options besides completely laying him out right then and there.

Regardless of whether the guy fighting's response was justified or not, the second guy cheering him on like that completely makes light of something that should be a far more serious situation.

 

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A guy coming over and telling him that he'd done enough was what eventually stopped him.

And fair enough, restraining him probably wouldn't have been as easy as I made it out to be. Stopping him from attacking them though? You have two guys, one of which is clearly stronger than the black guy. I'm pretty sure you have other options besides completely laying him out right then and there.

Regardless of whether the guy fighting's response was justified or not, the second guy cheering him on like that completely makes light of something that should be a far more serious situation.

Possibly. Then again possibly not. The black guy followed them. And started the physical confrontation. The rest is two badly panicked, badly trained men flailing at each other until one falls on top of the other guy and punches him unconscious.

So how could anyone 'stop' another human being from hitting them if they really wanted to? It's really, really hard, man.

Other than walking away before actual violence happened, which was what the rednecks were doing?

Ya actually I think it was a bystander that actually came along and said that he had had enough. The chap on top immediately 'came to' out of the adrenalin haze and stopped hitting the guy on the bottom.

Otherwise I'd say he might have still been there hitting him in the face.

I completely agree with you that yer man's friend was a class ten douchebag cheering his mate on. That was a bit disgusting.

But he didn't dial it up to eleven and either attempt to help his friend physically or indeed throw a kick into the other guys face while he was on the ground.

Which is what happened to this poor guy in Ireland in our Paddy's day celebrations recently:


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP05GtOLVfI&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMP05GtOLVfI&has_verified=1

I'm not saying what happened was right, but for the black guy it could have been much worse, picking a fight with two large men in a town where he is a stranger alone.

Still, none of them involved exactly smothered themselves in glory.

People are dicks the world over it seems.

Edit: youtube link being weird

 

[Flutterguy]

Poorly educated in reality, probably young. Sad state of affairs, but don't let it get you down. A fight video on youtube attracts such people.

Historically speaking we have really improved. Just think of the term 'getting stoned' for a simple example.

 

[tangoprime]

Racism aside, I side with the people saying "he got what was coming to him", unless there's more to this than the video shows. Going by the evidence at hand, he fucked up and got put down for it. Good. I hate these "gangsta" type people.

Apparently someone said part of the video was cut. The cut video apparently showed the black man attempting to leave and the two white guys preventing him from doing so, causing him to start his outburst. But with the internet you can never be sure.

What does it matter? I saw all I needed in this snippet to make a judgement. Nothing prior to the physical escalation doesn't matter.

The New Yorker escalated a verbal confrontation into a physical one, and got his ass pounded. The man who was attacked physically responded, umm... "asymmetrically", and used overwhelming force to end the fight with as quickly as possible so as to avoid personal injury- that's how fights done correctly work. When the guy was clearly pacified, which the man on top would've been unable to tell without having the same view as the others who could see the downed man's face, someone told him he's done and he stopped punching. What if this would've happened, and he'd just knocked the guy down and attempted to disengage, and the New Yorker, who had ALREADY greatly escalated the confrontation once, had pulled a knife and stabbed the guy as he was getting off of him? That's why you keep hitting until you know they're not capable of hitting back.

 

[144_v1legacy]

New Yorkers are so far up their own asses about being from New York that they think it makes them better then everyone else. And "SuckMyDick" guy sounded like another typical New Yorker going around posturing and thinking he's untouchable. And he got the shit kicked out of him for it. So I actually found it entertaining to see the guy get his. The other guy shouldn't have kept piling on punches after he overpowered New Yorker, but I can't really blame him. New Yorker throws the first punch after antagonizing you for a solid 35 seconds that we see on the video and you wouldn't start throwing down like there was no tomorrow? Please. The adrenaline would throw you into a whole other gear where all rationality goes out the window. Hell I probably would've kicked him one last time before leaving so Arizona showed more restraint than I would've in the same situation.

This guy doesn't speak for 8.3 million people. He's the small vocal minority of civic pride - the same that you find in Boston, Texas, LA, Miami, and everywhere else. Even where you live. To make that kind of stereotype, you're part of the problem, and it's ironic that you'd watch this video and think yourself morally superior.

 

[generals3]

What does it matter? I saw all I needed in this snippet to make a judgement. Nothing prior to the physical escalation doesn't matter.

The New Yorker escalated a verbal confrontation into a physical one, and got his ass pounded. The man who was attacked physically responded, umm... "asymmetrically", and used overwhelming force to end the fight with as quickly as possible so as to avoid personal injury- that's how fights done correctly work. When the guy was clearly pacified, which the man on top would've been unable to tell without having the same view as the others who could see the downed man's face, someone told him he's done and he stopped punching. What if this would've happened, and he'd just knocked the guy down and attempted to disengage, and the New Yorker, who had ALREADY greatly escalated the confrontation once, had pulled a knife and stabbed the guy as he was getting off of him? That's why you keep hitting until you know they're not capable of hitting back.

The problem with hitting that much is that it can cause severe damage and is in 99.9% of the cases unnecessary.
I mean I have friends who have been involved in fights and never went that far and it never backfired. Usually when the aggressor is down and not struggling anymore it's over (and the black guy got hit quite more after he was a state of passivity). It's only in the cinema that the aggressor "abuses" the lack of use of extreme violence to strike back. And let's be honest, usually people who assault someone and are armed use it straight away (and most definitely if the aggressor is outnumbered), it's again only in the cinema where they first start to try without it and than escalate if needed.

 

[Nathaniel Grey]

Standing on a pretty high horse there. This is a pretty normal fight. You, and well most of the people on the escapist, don't seem like the type to get into scraps, but continuing to lay someone out is to be expected. Slurs and curses are a given and yes it is an absolute joy to watch two people go at it. Though what usually happens is that a friend intervenes and stops the guy from going to far(aka don't kill the guy). I don't see what the issue is here exactly. This is how people usually fight.

 

[Robert Marrs]

Maybe the guy will learn to keep his hands to himself next time. He told the guy he didn't want to fight him. If someone comes up and attacks me after I told them I didn't want to fight them I would probably do the same thing.

 

[Robert Marrs]

Well, why were we cheering when Zangief Kid nearly hospitalized another kid with a piledriver?

Same reasons.

Ugh. It guess it goes to show that people who were victimized make the most vicious bullies.
I guess the difference here is that those guys don't let him go afterwards. The kid did walk away after.

Anyway, I suppose just complaining about it isn'y useful, so I reported this and sent a complaint to youtube, because that's what the button is for. Say that I'm oversensitive or not, at least something was done.

Are you serious? You reported it? Honestly I will try to refrain from getting too personal here. Escapist rules and all. Why would you be so worked up about it that you feel the need to prevent other people from seeing it? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Its pretty much third party censorship. If you don't like it just don't watch it. No reason to try and control other people. If you don't like the way the burger place down the street cooks their burgers do you try and campaign against them? Simply put mind your own business.

 

[Frankster]

There's one thing that always puzzles me in this kind of vids.

Wtf is it with peeps pumping their chest and spreading their arms (to make themselves look bigger?) whilst basically thrusting their groin in the opponents direction as some weird posture of intimidation whilst walking TOWARDS their opponent and being all "what? what? you wanna fight?" or some other BS.

Free tip to people reading this: if someone does that to you, then kick them in the balls(or groin in general, works on all genders) as hard as you can, if they really are looking to start a fight that'll take him out of it immediately and leaves you free to deal with the buddy without worrying about a 1v2 and establishing yourself to some tough talkers that you ain't dicking around.
Seriously for an intimidating posture all it does is make you expose yourself horribly without hope of defending yourself (since you've spread your arms so wide).
Always make me laugh when I see people do that kinda stuff and have a tough guy attitude.

Your logic is absurd, you make it sound like reporting something is trying to "control other people".

The sense of entitlement is this post could level houses.

Dunno about entitlement but I cans see what he means... That basically it's not cool for ONE person or a minority of people to stamp their feet and report something cos it offended their sensibilities when they are perfectly free to ignore it and move on without spoiling it for others.
But nope, instead they cockblock everyone else and force others to conform to their morals, in a way "controlling" others by prohibiting them from watching stuff they personally find offensive.

Now maybe I'm misinterpreting something but to me the most erroneously "entitled" person would be those reporting something they find offensive but could easily avoid over those annoyed that they ain't offended but find themselves unable to watch something cos of the other person.

Anyways no point arguing over THIS specific video, but this particular topic could be its own thread if you guys really wanna debate this

 

[Frankster]

They're perfectly free to report it too. Pretending that they should just move on without "spoiling it for others" makes it sound like they're somehow "wrong" for reporting a video where a guy gets punched to a ragdoll state. It makes it sound like this is universally accepted as entertainment and that person is somehow "wrong" for finding it offensive. He elevated his "don't report this" stance above the "report this" stance out of sheer entitlement that his view was somehow superior, and cried censorship when someone did what they're perfectly free to do; disagree with him and report it.

Mmm I see where you're coming from now for the entitlement part, fair enough.

 

[Longstreet]

I have to say, i agree with what the white guy did and also agree with most of the comments made.

So let's look at the video first. Black guy shouts at white guys (i have the sound off since im at work but i guess it wasnt nice). White guys walk away, black guy says something to the camera after which he walks to the white guy and starts attacking. If he really wanted to leave (like elfgore said, he could have either just waited till the white guys left or turned around and walk away the other way. Result is that he gets a beating, which is totally deserved.

On the comments thing, while i agree with some of it, ill refrain from commenting on it further, warnings and all that stuff.


Also, has no one there heard of a damn parking brake? As far as i can tell there is no one sitting in that white car, yet by a simple bumb that fucker starts rolling backwards at freeway speeds.

 

[Strazdas]

I wonder how many of those people would say the same thing in front of a group of black guys twice their size?

why should that matter? Scare tactics to shush people is a good idea now? Everyone should be allowed to say what they think without fear if being beat up for their opinion. Even if the opinion is idiotic and racist. putting them in front of "group of black guys" should not make a difference unless you imply that scaring people into silence is the way to deal with it. Because that doesnt work. See - dictatorship.

 

[Thaluikhain]

There's one thing that always puzzles me in this kind of vids.

Wtf is it with peeps pumping their chest and spreading their arms (to make themselves look bigger?) whilst basically thrusting their groin in the opponents direction as some weird posture of intimidation whilst walking TOWARDS their opponent and being all "what? what? you wanna fight?" or some other BS.

Free tip to people reading this: if someone does that to you, then kick them in the balls(or groin in general, works on all genders) as hard as you can, if they really are looking to start a fight that'll take him out of it immediately and leaves you free to deal with the buddy without worrying about a 1v2 and establishing yourself to some tough talkers that you ain't dicking around.
Seriously for an intimidating posture all it does is make you expose yourself horribly without hope of defending yourself (since you've spread your arms so wide).
Always make me laugh when I see people do that kinda stuff and have a tough guy attitude.

Dunno...chimpanzees will try to look intimidating when attacking each other, drumming on tree roots and so on, maybe there is something to it.

Maybe if the person is easily frightened it works.

(As an aside, chimps are nasty. Don't leave the house without a machete)