The Hugo Awards

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A blow by blow wiki edit war seems tangentially related to the Hugo awards.

 

[kurokotetsu]

Clearly you didn't read very closely. The voting patterns behind the Nebulas until 2010 are a matter of public record. They only became anonymous after that year. The same people guilty of log rolling in the Nebulas are very involved in the Hugos. The nomination patterns are very similar to the type of literature that 'wins' the Nebulas. Yet somehow you think the very people willing to log roll the Nebulas are unwilling to do so to the Hugo noms? And you wonder why Freer references the planet Gullib.

As for the Hugo Admin leaking, that would be a neat trick seeing as the WorldCon administration quite literally changes completely each year. So you would have to find not one, but two completely different people willing to throw their integrity away just to inform people the details behind the nominations a few weeks early. Given the rather obsessive nature of Fandom and the types behind WorldCon, that is a rather unlikely occurrence. As for the Haydens' guessing, the only way to have ANY idea that the Hugo noms would have gone the way they did without certain knowledge that their clique was the only one large enough to successfully nominate would be to have contacted every potential 2015 nominee except for the SP/RP slate authors and get a definitive answer as to whether they made the nominee list. Which is rather fucking unlikely.



Oh, and since you wondered why Flint being a Trotskyite was relevant, the accusations in the media blitz were that the SP were trying to keep the field safe for white right wing male authors.

No I didn't read it closely. i said as much in my first post. I can't stand the tone of the text and the style so I just glanced over it and saw nothing to appeal to me.

If the Nebula's were rigged prove it. Show statistical prove that is was: Annonymous voting is not necessarily evidence of wrogn doing (there are several other reasons to do it, like avoindg preassure to people because of how they voted). And how, if the administration of the Hugos is changes each year (being it dependant of WorldCon as you said) how can it be influenced by the same people? And what poeple specifically? And how did they influence? Both clubs have different standars of admitance and amount of people in hte,. The correlation may be simply due that winning an award atracts attention to the work and increase the probability of winning other awards. Thinking that there are other possibilities is not being guillible, is just not agreeing with Mr. Freer. And saying that is does, is insulting to me.

And probably hundreds of people work counting, administrating, doing paper work for the Hugos. Finidng one or two that will talk is porbably not that hard. Hell people talk about the NSA or CIA or the police too and those are more dire consequences. Do we even know who leaked? Do we know anything about the leak to theorize about it beyond that it occured? Twice yes, and maybe more, it is just that we know about these leaks. Maybe this happens every year and no one talked about it. Those are possibilities. As it is making a guess based on social media buzz and talking to poeple in the fandom and seeing forums as Nilesen hayden may do, seeing he runs a fanzine and is pretty involved with the community. he may guess out of experience and heresay. it is after all a guess. Or did he say "i konw and these authors are"?

And showing a token doens't disprove the allegation that SP/RP are a primary right wing group. We would have to make a statistical analysis of the supporters adn see the ratio of politcal leanings to say anything about that. So the leanings of Mr. Freer or his firends is irrelevant.