The Internet Pollutes the Atmosphere More Than India, Says Greenpeace

[Moontouched-Moogle]

...Right now, the servers that host the Internet and all the online data in the world consume about 2 percent of the world's energy. But that number grows about 12 percent per year and Greenpeace urges that we have to begin considering the source of that power...

Ok, bullshit Greenpeace. If the servers currently use only 2%, then how do we know it increases by 12% each year? What, did they use -10% of the world's energy last year?

Of course, I don't know why I'm even bothering. Nobody over there is thinking rationally or logically anyway.

 

[thom_cat_]

The statements made by Greenpeace are absolutely reasonable. It scares me that people can't see that.
I dislike Greenpeace because they're strictly anti-nuclear and they aren't against whaling any more. But even I can see that they talk sense some of the time!

 

[F-I-D-O]

But you see Greenpeace, think of it this way.

[HEADING=1]Shut up.[/HEADING]

Pretty much this
And is Greenpeace responsible for all the internet usage from people reading their news stories? How about when they posted it? And isn't there a Greenpeace facebook page?

So they should just sit in a cave huh? They can?t write information on paper or make videos or post information online so more people are aware of it? They aren?t being hypocritical you?re being an idiot.

In order:
Nope. And how does internet usage translate into "They have to live in caves"
They can. Paper=/=internet
I just think it's funny that they say that one of the greatest advancements in communications technology is being targeted. Without the internet, their message would not be nearly as effective, not to mention hindering any worldwide organized protests.
Oh, and there are MUCH bigger fish to fry than the intenrnet
OH NO! THE INTERNET USES POWER! PANIC, PANIC I SAY!
What about whaling, poaching, deforesting, destruction of endangered species, car emissions, the fact that plug in cars STILL CAUSE POLLUTION (most energy from coal), the fact that most energy comes from coal, a more efficient wind turbine not being able to be created due to lack of funding, etc.
But no, the internet must clean up.
Fuck Greenpeace.

I still don?t see how they?re being hypocrites for using the internet they aren?t saying it should be shut down they just want raise awareness about the amount of pollution it causes.

And I?m pretty sure they care about those things as well. This is just the only issue that matches the Escapists other content.

Never said they were being hypocrites (that was the other guy).
I know they care about the other issues, just this is the first I've heard from greenpeace in a while. Figured they'd do a press release on something a little bigger.
Ex: Using Japan's situation to point out the dangers of nuclear power.
Of course, I've gotten a bunch of RPGs recently, so I haven't been paying much attention to any news.

 

[-Samurai-]

So, they post this on their website...that's hosted on a server somewhere...

Oh, right. The power needed to run their servers is hamster power, just like here at The Escapist.

 

[banksy122]

@dnnydllr
The point is that in a catastrophic event, no matter how rare, the result is much more dangerous with nuclear power. It's all about risks. Coal mine collapse sucks, big time. And it happens a fair bit too. But even a single nuclear meltdown, no matter how low the chance, can wipe out a large area--not in an explosion, mind you. Nuclear power plant cannot explode. But it can contaminate a large area for a very long time. While trees and things can still grow near Chernobyl..well..you're welcome to go and live there. I'd bet that the land would be incredibly cheap.
It's not just direct consequence of people dying right then and there. It's the potential land use. The world is slowly tipping towards overpopulation. Desertification is slowly but surely creeping in. Sea level will rise, swallowing our coast line. It probably doesn't matter to you, but it does to me--my home WILL sink within the next 20 to 30 years if we keep going at this rate. Try having that reality in your face--it makes you think in an entirely different way.

I would like to point out to you the damage nuclear power has done to mankind in the last 30 years. 50 people have died, with around 2000 effected by nuclear radiation. So just over 2000 all together. So that is the damage nuclear has done 2050 round about.

Another thing, if we used Nuclear instead of Coal, coal would not need to mined because we don't use it for anything but power.

Ok, now on to the damage Coal has done. Lets just look at what it does in 1 year.
Coal kills 350,000 people in china every year due to the pollution
20,000 people are diagnosed with forms of lung cancer ever year in USA due to coal power plants
thousands die every year mining coal to burn at power plants.

Nuclear = 2030 over 30 years
Coal = 400,000+ every year

People who are against nuclear power are killing people, oh, I didn't even mention oil, because I don't know the amount of people killed by that, but I am pretty sure it is lots.

Also, nuclear re-uses 95% of its waste for more power in new reactors, and the 5% that comes out, is so degraded it doesn't last long, 100-200 years.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

Aren't these the same people who tie themselves to boats to stop Canadian sealing? And then say that the death of the seals is worse than the people there?

Yep. Never been a fan of protests that prevent people from doing something legal, no matter how much I disagree with it.

So, no, I don't really believe what you say.

 

[Tomo Stryker]

Oh Greenpeace, some of the things you say makes less sense than the stuff PETA spews on a regular basis.

I might think about supporting Green Peace, if they flash me some hot half naked woman on the cover. Now that I think about it, they are going to need to make a lot of those before I think about supporting them.

PETA: Not making sense since they were first created.

 

[Speakercone]

So the choice is apparently between life without the internet and a second ice age....

*starts winter clothing company*
who needs mittens?

 

[Asuka Soryu]

Muwahaha! Now, World, either you give me 10,000,000$ or on the hour, every hour I will click, refresh. In some thousand years, the world will be destroyed! Muah muah... muahahahahahahahahaha!!

 

[F-I-D-O]

So, they post this on their website...that's hosted on a server somewhere...

Oh, right. The power needed to run their servers is hamster power, just like here at The Escapist.

Go hamster go!
Ah, but they would create waste as well, those droppings can add up fast. Not to mention oil for those damn wheels.

And they seem to be lazy
(*Cheers that he finally got to use these pictures)

 

[Rpground]

pollution wouldnt be a problem if we just ran on SOLAR WIND AND HYDO! then everyone would be happy but nooo,instead this happens and they blame the internet...wtf people!?

 

[TimeLord]

I have celebrated Earth Day by playing Portal 2 all day...For Science.

You monster.

 

[Horben]

My retort would be they expel far more CO2 than me using my computer by breathing, so kindly lead by example and cease your emissions.

You, sir, just won this thread.

Cool beans though. Still doesn't mean I'll take Greenpeace more seriously than the streetside preacher because they both sound the same. At least he doesn't vandalize other peoples' property.

 

[Baresark]

Ah greenpeace, when are they going to realise that hardly anyone cares?

BTW, I assume they aren't taking into account all the CO2 that the Internet has prevented by allowing people to work, shop, socialise, etc from home and thus reduce the number of car journeys people take?

That is correct, they have not.

The truth is, the half life of CO2 is 5 years, meaning that in 30 years, over 98% of that CO2 no longer exists, it's been broken down (as naturally happens, and metabolized by plants).

Soon, they are going to start chasing down water vapor, which accounts for 95% of the greenhouse effect.

Greenpeace, just so stupid, I hate your agenda.

 

[MercurySteam]

But you see Greenpeace, think of it this way.

[HEADING=1]Shut up.[/HEADING]

Yeah, what he said. Since when was data 'dirty'?

 

[Hyperthetical]

Wow that is news. An avowedly "anti-globalisation" pressure group says the internet is bad and uses "green" (read "sostupiditmakesmyeyesbleed") speak to justify their irrational hatreds. Go figure.

 

[Vern]

How did Greenpeace make this announcement? Did they post it to a website? Did they send out emails about it? Did they mail out letters? Did they do a blast fax? Did they send out texts? All the methods of distributing this message use up energy. Even if they went door to door they would've had to have used a gas powered, or electric cars (and electric car batteries require metals that must be mined from the earth) or even walked they would've had to have eaten food. Food which requires planting and harvesting, using up fuel, and if the seeds weren't locally obtained they had to be shipped from somewhere. It's bloody hypocrisy. To get their message out there they have to use the same tools they're railing against.

 

[mariofan1000]

BRB, destroing earth.