The Ladies Get Some Payback in Hey Baby
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Being a Nazi is a conscious choice based upon ideals. Being male is not. If you're honestly telling me that a game featuring a guy going around inflicting ultra violence on women, all of whom are spouting vacuous crap that makes your entire gender look like some kind of inferior species, wouldn't offend you then frankly you're is a considerable minority. There's no need to be insulting just to hide the fact that you have double standards when it comes to sexism. Nobody is denying that women have had a rough time in the past, but so have ethnic minorities, religious minorities, etc, and none have quite so much license to reverse things and get away with it as women do. Sexism is sexism, however you choose to justify it.Sacraca said:
Yes, because women the world over are treated equally. AMIRYTE?Carlston said:
Regardless, for all of the bellyaching here by the guys about how if the "roles were reversed, women would be freaking out" (I'm paraphrasing, of course), the fact is: the roles HAVE been reversed, and you all are taking issue with it.
It's a stupid game, poorly executed, and just a stunt to piss off people. So just get over it. Worry less about free intardnet games and worry more about Farmville turning people into zombies [footnote]and not the GOOD kind...[/footnote].
great the they have the option now to vent their frustration but remember, if you don't what to be heckled on the street by men, quit looking good intentionally <.<
Especially women with big breasts and wear low cut T-shirts...wtf lady, if u don't like men looking don't advertise them either >.<
p.s. bless you for wearing them T's nonetheless
Especially women with big breasts and wear low cut T-shirts...wtf lady, if u don't like men looking don't advertise them either >.<
p.s. bless you for wearing them T's nonetheless
There's an equal vast difference between getting your own back and shooting people for daring to wolf-whistle at you. Christ, 90% of the guys here would welcome that sort of attention.Labyrinth said:
Thing is, the logic you're using there is "Virtual world = Actions in reality." I don't believe the makers, if they did this seriously, condone that. Same with any other game really. It's a cathartic fiction.The_root_of_all_evil said:
As for guys welcoming that kind of attention.. some time I would really like to get a pack of women together to go out and cat-call all the men they see. It would be an interesting experiment. I suspect they would feel uncomfortable, not complimented. The whole point is that cat-calls and wolf-whistles don't make someone feel flattered, they make them feel like a piece of meat. Objectified.
Hell, I think one of the reasons that men would consider this socially acceptable is because they've never been on the receiving end.
I guess when the White Supremacists got their game (Uncharted), radical feminists felt left out.Riobux said:
In retrospect, Postal 2 was a horrible game. But even that seemed mildy entertaining compared to this.
What is worse is that this game is insulting towards women as well. Did you notice how the guys, when shot, simply turn into gravestones? It implies that women "can't handle" blood and need to see a "clean" death instead. Considering I have known women who play(ed) FPS games, this seems awfully patronising....
Holy crap! It looks worse than Postal 2! And that game was hideous! There's no way this can be an actual game, right? Maybe it's some asinine stunt for Postal 3.
I can't agree or disagree about the first Uncharted being designed for the KKK; but I can say that Uncharted 2 was seemingly designed for, please don't hurt me, Americans. It was like they wanted to steal every stereotype to ever exist while making America look like the best thing in the world. In the process, making something that is almost the personification of most things wrong with action games.Tom Phoenix said:I guess when the White Supremacists got their game (Uncharted), radical feminists felt left out.Riobux said:
In retrospect, Postal 2 was a horrible game. But even that seemed mildy entertaining compared to this.
What is worse is that this game is insulting towards women as well. Did you notice how the guys, when shot, simply turn into gravestones? It implies that women "can't handle" blood and need to see a "clean" death instead. Considering I have known women who play(ed) FPS games, this seems awfully patronising....
Postal 2, however, was a mediocre game that brought something fresh to the table. I think if you looked at it how it really is, you'd hate it. If you look at it for it's controversial content, it's a ton of fun.
To be honest, the gravestones thing isn't a reflection of sexism towards women, but rather a reflection of the inability of the programmers to allow a lot of corpses in the game and the artists to make a good corpse. However, it could of just simply been the game designer wanting to remind the feminist what the man said which doomed him to his fate in hell.
No boasts, but I have. Made me nervous? Yes. Made me want to gun down them for DARING to do it? No.Labyrinth said:
But why raise men's standards when we can just lower women's?
As I said, that's missing the point of 'fiction'. As for the standards, why lower any at all? Should we accept adults acting like idiots just 'cause? I'd much prefer to lift behaviour than accept it. "boys will be boys" is bullshit.The_root_of_all_evil said:
Not really, fictionally I'd either try and seduce them or blow them a kiss. (Realitywise I'm usually too nervous)Labyrinth said:
But this sort of thing, like numerous other "innovations" are just making the women as much idiots as the men tend to be. Look at the insane increases in drunk and disorderly women, violent attacks etc. We're pushing these fictions as if they were real, and Atkinson/Vaz are using them to keep us down. The defence of this is similar to the defence of Rapeplay in that "it's only a game", but with no positive models towards this sort of behaviour, the first women to shoot a man WILL be blamed on this game, which will then backlash towards all the rest of ours.
We can't show a couple making love, but we can show men & women brutalising each other? Well done World.
Yeah, yeah, yeah "misandrism", "Double Standards", "Feminazi". All the kneejerk responses are as predictable as the game getting made in the first place. Fact is, women are allowed to get angrier about double standards than men are (That's a joke, just in case, and 30 Rock kicks ass).
Seriously, the thing that annoys me about this game is that a supposedly 'feminist' game could've been built around actual feminist issues - a quick flash game based around, say, trying to negotiate a pay at the same level as your male counterparts, or attempting to protest against some discrimination without being labelled a radical feminist and killing your career.
Or, if they absolutely HAD to do something around the concept of casual oppression, perhaps a survival horror game built around a woman whose relatives have decided she's brought shame to her family in a religiously oppressive environment(TM). That'd stir up a good deal more controversy and bring up some issues that actually require answers beyond "hey, that guy was a bit of a jerk".
In terms of observational humour it's several rungs below a hack comic, in terms of subtlety it's on a par with...actually, no metaphor could do it justice, it's as unsubtle as they come, whilst in terms of polish it's obviously lacking. I have nothing against radical feminists, as in general they're not proscriptive when they approach pop art OR 'high' art so much as they are cynical (yes, at times perhaps OVERLY cynical) - it's a fresh angle is all. I don't have anything against the wilfully ignorant either. I *do* have something against the *boring* wilfully ignorant. That's why I can read and re-read Toril Moi's Sexual/Textual Politics, and find some things I disagree with and a lot more I can accept, but you'll never make me play some shitty game with no plot and nothing to say foisting itself upon my free time like a sweaty cab driver.
It's also why the term "Feminazi" pisses me off. Put some thought into it or at the very least make it funny, don't make me read your moronic bleatings you've copied from some shock jock.
Seriously, the thing that annoys me about this game is that a supposedly 'feminist' game could've been built around actual feminist issues - a quick flash game based around, say, trying to negotiate a pay at the same level as your male counterparts, or attempting to protest against some discrimination without being labelled a radical feminist and killing your career.
Or, if they absolutely HAD to do something around the concept of casual oppression, perhaps a survival horror game built around a woman whose relatives have decided she's brought shame to her family in a religiously oppressive environment(TM). That'd stir up a good deal more controversy and bring up some issues that actually require answers beyond "hey, that guy was a bit of a jerk".
In terms of observational humour it's several rungs below a hack comic, in terms of subtlety it's on a par with...actually, no metaphor could do it justice, it's as unsubtle as they come, whilst in terms of polish it's obviously lacking. I have nothing against radical feminists, as in general they're not proscriptive when they approach pop art OR 'high' art so much as they are cynical (yes, at times perhaps OVERLY cynical) - it's a fresh angle is all. I don't have anything against the wilfully ignorant either. I *do* have something against the *boring* wilfully ignorant. That's why I can read and re-read Toril Moi's Sexual/Textual Politics, and find some things I disagree with and a lot more I can accept, but you'll never make me play some shitty game with no plot and nothing to say foisting itself upon my free time like a sweaty cab driver.
It's also why the term "Feminazi" pisses me off. Put some thought into it or at the very least make it funny, don't make me read your moronic bleatings you've copied from some shock jock.