Yeah, I couldn't read the whole thing, but I read enough to tell that it was more of a rant than a review. I understand that it's your opinion, but you state it as if it's some scientifically proven fact. Also, even though you are entitled to your opinion, that doesn't mean that other people's opinions don't matter. You don't need to call people "fanboys" just because they don't agree with you. I don't know if your intention was to offend people, but judging by some of these responses, it looks to me like you did just that.
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess-- Dropping the Bombshell
- Thread starter HT_Black
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Wait-- you people are still going at this?
game script is shit.
This...this is...Oh. If only there were words for it.
Harrumph.
Thanks for writing, though. Criticism is a good thing.
Fair enough. I shall not.JoeBloggs said:
Who the Hell cares why Batman fights crime? Who the Hell cares why Luke fights Darth Vader? Who the Hell cares why Mario jumps around like a moron? I mean, that's a totally good point. /sarcasm
My bad. It was four AM, I was furious, and I flew off the handle. I seriously can't apologize enough for that part.
Pardon my literacy, but as far as I'm concerned, that does mean every single aspect of the
I've explained this many, many, many, times now, and as such I won't again (although for the record, many people have reminded me that the whole thing is far closer to a bondage situation than anything else).
Can I ask that every story be up to Mario Brothers snuff (that is to say, not up to snuff at all, but lacking the pretense at least)?
...No, I don't think so. A.A. Miln wrote kid's stories. This doesn't even hold up to the hundred-acre-wood.
...WHY?!!?
Nicely phrased, fellow. But-- quick question: do kids put up with bullshit aymore than adults? Does being marketed at kids mean something has to be crap? Go ahead and tell that to, say...Bionicle, or Batman Beyond.
I'm not asking for that, or even expecting it: I'm asking for something that doesn't instantly make me want to shiv people.
The point being?
By persistantly employing broken jumping controls, shitty excuses-for-puzzles, and a halfway-decent swordfighting mechanic? Yeah, that's like, totally not about any of those things.
...No. No it isn't. What I did was the equivalent of abandoning my Spongebob cartoons in favor of a game that had been painted by all the world as a mature, soul-healing gem of a product, only to find out that it was in fact a bad case of the crabs. What I did was the equivalent of going into a showing of "Macbeth" and getting an amateur elementary school drama club's production of "the little engine that could".
NO! STOP! DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT COLLECT 200$, DO NOT SAY ANOTHER WORD! The game is not about any of those things! It was about being a mute keebler elf in a Hellish excuse for a fantasy world; it was about a creepy nude imp who seemed to be just a little too happy at most times; it was about walking in circles for an hour or two at any given moment; it was about the cold deadness that crept over your soul when you realized that THIS was the game that lit then entire world of 2007 on fire; it was about trying with all your might to finish the level you were on, because you knew things were about to get good, only tio find out that--BLAM!-- that was the endgame sequence; it was about trying to not cut yourself! SMG was about child-like wonder; Mass Efefct was about child-like wonder; MY FECKING BOOK was about child-like wonder!
This...this is...Oh. If only there were words for it.
Fair enough, but quit trying to tell me how I misunderstood my own opinion.
Low blow, buddy. Low blow. I'll have you know that my father was an alcoholic, thank you very much, that's pumpkin juice on the machete, and I didn't do ANYTHING with all that cement I ordered a week ago.
Harrumph.
Thanks for writing, though. Criticism is a good thing.
That doesn't really change the fact that youHT_Black said:
A) Wrote it in the first place and
B) Have yet to remove it from the review.
You pretty much alienate anyone who would ever take your review seriously (and as we've discussed before, your failure to experience the whole game makes your review nigh irrelevant). And despite your apologies, it seems you've not taken any action to alleviate the issue if this person can comment about it. This gives off the air of "instead of giving the game a fair chance and worthwhile critical analysis, I'm instead going to tick off as many people as possible by completely thrashing the game!"
Taerdin said:
source: dictionary.com
?noun
1. Usually, credentials. evidence of authority, status, rights, entitlement to privileges, or the like, usually in written form: Only those with the proper credentials are admitted.
2. anything that provides the basis for confidence, belief, credit, etc.
?verb (used with object)
3. to grant credentials to, esp. educational and professional ones: She has been credentialed to teach math.
?adjective
4. providing the basis for confidence, belief, credit, etc.
cred
1. n.
credibility; believability. (See also street cred.) : They got no cred with me.
cred
noun
credibility among young fashionable urban individuals [syn: street credibility]
First post used the word credentials, evaluating the OP's authority (or lack thereof) as a critic and gamer who gives recommendations based upon nothing but his experience with other games. The other post you quote refers to "gamer cred", which would be more akin to gamerscore or some other arbitrary form of measurement to decide his pecking order or importance in an equally arbitrary e penis comparison.
In the first post, I assert that someone who hasn't played some of the seminal classic games does not have the proper credentials or experience to warrant listening to his deranged opinion of a sequel to said game. It would be akin to claiming a pilot who has never learned to fly should not be your first choice when deciding who you want to be in charge of a plane you're riding.
In the post with the term "gamer cred" I was referring to exactly what the definition says, his level of trendiness based upon what he's played, which I don't care about.
I know they're similar words, but they aren't synonyms. Cred comes from credibility, not credentials. The trouble here is that Credibility would have been a better term for me to use as I'm saying the OP has none and is trying to be hip and trendy by attacking a game that received generally positive reviews.
So in short, I was wrong in my choice of words, but you're wrong in claiming I said something, then denied saying it. I denied commenting on his trendiness, because I never did. Level of trendiness is utterly irrelevant to me. I commented on his lack of credibility and credentials as a critic worthy of being listened to. He isn't worth listening to because he even admits he never played any game in the series, nor did he play much of the game he reviewed.
This whole thing gives me a headache (actually I'm hung over, this whole thing just exacerbates my headache). If I didn't like that you referenced Phoenix Wright, I probably wouldn't have written back at all.
My two cents;
I liked the game, i liked the interactions with Midna, liked the spider boss, liked the goron boss, liked the darknuts (knights). Most dungeons were fun.
Combat worked well.
The game was a bit too easy.
Disliked the lack of coherency of the world Ex: Hyrule town with no supplies coming in.. so people are just doing their walm-mart shopping. No starvation or anything. Town is "beseiged" by many monsters outside wandering around unnoposed, doors are wide open with no guards actually protecting it (and those who "does" are hopeless cowards)
Disliked the "resistance".. especially the part where they dont do any resisting, and are only used as event triggers when they could have joined us in battle, if only for a brief time. Also the part where they "save" us from losing.. a heart or two, in the end.
Disliked the emptiness of the world and the lack of secret areas (there are so few!)
Disliked Ganondorf, he isnt even trying to win, and the game could have been good even if he wasnt around at all.
For the rest that is unmentionned, it generally Okay
I liked the game, i liked the interactions with Midna, liked the spider boss, liked the goron boss, liked the darknuts (knights). Most dungeons were fun.
Combat worked well.
The game was a bit too easy.
Disliked the lack of coherency of the world Ex: Hyrule town with no supplies coming in.. so people are just doing their walm-mart shopping. No starvation or anything. Town is "beseiged" by many monsters outside wandering around unnoposed, doors are wide open with no guards actually protecting it (and those who "does" are hopeless cowards)
Disliked the "resistance".. especially the part where they dont do any resisting, and are only used as event triggers when they could have joined us in battle, if only for a brief time. Also the part where they "save" us from losing.. a heart or two, in the end.
Disliked the emptiness of the world and the lack of secret areas (there are so few!)
Disliked Ganondorf, he isnt even trying to win, and the game could have been good even if he wasnt around at all.
For the rest that is unmentionned, it generally Okay
Well, thanks for thanking me for criticising. CIVILITY!HT_Black said:
I guess we went into it with different expectations, is the real thing. I went into it as a 14 year old expecting a stupid kids game for stupid kids, and that's what I got. And once I abandoned the "Why the hell is Link turning into a wolf?" thoughts, I liked it. There were definitely good BITS of childlike wonder in there. (I can't remember what the mecha-sand-gear skateboard thing was called, but that whole bit, and the boss you fight on it... man, I was child-like wondering the SHIT out of that thing.)
Looking at it now, I guess it doesn't even do childlike wonder that well. The whole Twilight Realm was trying to go all dark and gritty, and I guess if I went into it looking for a Mature Sophisticated Adult game to ROCK MY SOUL (which looking back, it was trying its hardest to look like), I would've had the same opinion. It was more the BEHOLD MY OPINION, INTERNET! vibe I was getting that spurned me to enraged action.
I tell you what, though: Majora's Mask. Now THERE'S a good zelda game. Try bashing that, then I can hate you.
oh oh and man, unrelated, but CURSE OF MONKEY ISLAND. Man, I had child-like wonder coming out of my EARS for that game.
agreed we all can't be Yahtzees.(the reason all of us intended to be when we started off here)Furburt said:
I should point out that Link is 17-18 in Twilight Princess, not 12.HT_Black said:
It's really no surprise you feel this way about this game, HT_Black. The game was was designed for the long-time Zelda fans, not for new players to the series. If I had known you were about ready to dive into your first Zelda game, I would've knocked TP out of your hands and recommended something else.
If you want to play a game that does justice to the Zelda franchise, play A Link to the Past on SNES (or virtual console). I'm sure you'll like that one, and even better it costs much less money, so you have virtually nothing to lose.
Well thank you very much. On the off-chance that I acquire an N64 and an Amiga at some point in the future, I'll certainly give those two a look (I don't have the adresses of any good emulators).JoeBloggs said:
Likewise in the event that I happen upon a SNES.evilartist said:If you want to play a game that does justice to the Zelda franchise, play A Link to the Past on SNES (or virtual console). I'm sure you'll like that one, and even better it costs much less money, so you have virtually nothing to lose.
That's why I said "or virtual console." If you played TP, I assume you already have a Wii and therefore you don't need a SNES (unless you played TP on the gamecube).HT_Black said:Likewise in the event that I happen upon a SNES.evilartist said:If you want to play a game that does justice to the Zelda franchise, play A Link to the Past on SNES (or virtual console). I'm sure you'll like that one, and even better it costs much less money, so you have virtually nothing to lose.